Liverpool 2019-2020: Let's Talk About Six, Baby

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Continuing on from @Dummy Hoy's comment in the Chelsea thread re: Werner:

What's the point of having the best recruitment staff in the world if you won't pay for the players they want?

Maybe John Henry should sell some bricks from Anfield to try to raise some funds since he's so strapped for cash.
/glares in Dave Dombrowski's direction

Not much to say - it's clear Klopp wanted him, he would have been a perfect fit in allowing Firmino to play deeper and go with the 4-4-2 diamond that worked well in the last few months of Coutinho's tenure as an alternate look to the 4-3-3, but it is what it is. They could waste the entirety of Mane / Salah / Van Dijk's primes at this point and I wouldn't mind, given the league and UCL title in the past calendar year. I don't think they have the financial flexibility, nor are they enamored enough, with Kai Havertz as an alternative, and Mbappe is laughable to even suggest with Madrid lurking.

I still think they are in a good place to defend their title in the coming season, but it's obvious with Chelsea spending big and United / City sure to splash cash, the competition will be as stiff as ever. Thankfully, Spurs are broke!

In: Harry Wilson, Marko Grujic, Rhian Brewster (loans ending)
Out: Adam Lallana, Xherdan Shaqiri, Nathaniel Clyne

First choice attack: Mane, Firmino, Salah
Attack cover: Minamino, Origi, Wilson, Elliott, Brewster

First choice midfield: Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho
Midfield cover: Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Milner, Grujic, Jones

16 deep for 6 positions seems adequate, though I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is sold and veteran attacking cover is brought in. Defensive cover is a bigger need in all likelihood.

First choice defense: Robertson, Van Dijk, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold
Defense cover: Matip, Lovren, Hoever, van den Berg

Karius is coming back from loan at Besiktas but I doubt he'd be kept as a backup on his wages, so maybe the job is Kelleher's.
 
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Still wouldn’t be (unpleasantly) surprised if Lovren leaves. This season seems perfect for swap deals .. Roma still appears to be interested. The only position that’s less than deep is LB cover for Robertson. Given his importance I can see a young LB/CB brought in. Milner is an adequate replacement for a few games but a serious injury to Robertson could be devastating.

Sucks about Werner .. guess they weren’t kidding about being strapped financially. A 50m release clause for a player of Werner’s caliber is peanuts.

Really hoping Minamino steps up and grasps the opportunity.

So the Merseyside derby is set for Sunday the 21st at 7pm BST ( 3pm for me . 4pm EDT) location to be determined next week according to reports. It’s really really really nice to be talking about fixtures and lineups and transfers , as opposed the null and void or curtailment!

Have to dig up my long dormant FPL team as well! Still in the hunt for top 4 in the Sosh head to head league.
 

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Continuing on from @Dummy Hoy's comment in the Chelsea thread re: Werner:


/glares in Dave Dombrowski's direction

Not much to say - it's clear Klopp wanted him, he would have been a perfect fit in allowing Firmino to play deeper and go with the 4-4-2 diamond that worked well in the last few months of Coutinho's tenure as an alternate look to the 4-3-3, but it is what it is. They could waste the entirety of Mane / Salah / Van Dijk's primes I don't think they have the financial flexibility, nor are they enamored enough, with Kai Havertz as an alternative, and Mbappe is laughable to even suggest with Madrid lurking.

I still think they are in a good place to defend their title in the coming season, but it's obvious with Chelsea spending big and United / City sure to splash cash, the competition will be as stiff as ever. Thankfully, Spurs are broke!

In: Harry Wilson, Marko Grujic, Rhian Brewster (loans ending)
Out: Adam Lallana, Xherdan Shaqiri, Nathaniel Clyne

First choice attack: Mane, Firmino, Salah
Attack cover: Minamino, Origi, Wilson, Elliott, Brewster

First choice midfield: Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho
Midfield cover: Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Milner, Grujic, Jones

16 deep for 6 positions seems adequate, though I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson is sold and veteran attacking cover is brought in. Defensive cover is a bigger need in all likelihood.

First choice defense: Robertson, Van Dijk, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold
Defense cover: Matip, Lovren, Hoever, van den Berg

Karius is coming back from loan at Besiktas but I doubt he'd be kept as a backup on his wages, so maybe the job is Kelleher's.
That’s a very thoughtful reply to Dummy’s trolling.

It stinks to miss out on Werner who is entering his prime, wants to play here, is such a great fit for the tactics, and has already shown great ability. I doubt he’ll flop at Chelsea, but LFC has a strong recent track record of fiscal prudence. They’ve laid out record breaking fees for the right guys - VVD & Alison - made smart bargain purchases, and reinvested in the squad’s core players. Have to trust the process that has gotten the club to this point.

Plus, Lampard doesn’t know his ass from his elbow. He’ll squander this.
 

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Whoops - left a sentence to nowhere in my post, meant to say they could waste all their primes and I'd still be happy overall given the UCL and EPL titles within a year
 
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That’s a very thoughtful reply to Dummy’s trolling.

It stinks to miss out on Werner who is entering his prime, wants to play here, is such a great fit for the tactics, and has already shown great ability. I doubt he’ll flop at Chelsea, but LFC has a strong recent track record of fiscal prudence. They’ve laid out record breaking fees for the right guys - VVD & Alison - made smart bargain purchases, and reinvested in the squad’s core players. Have to trust the process that has gotten the club to this point.

Plus, Lampard doesn’t know his ass from his elbow. He’ll squander this.
I think the key point is “the right guys” .. or, more accurately the right guys to fill positions of real need. When you have a glaring hole in the lineup it’s pretty easy to justify spending big to fill it. Werner, on the other hand was going to be, at least initially , a complimentary player and long term protection against any of the front three leaving.

Plus, you always worry about team psychology when bringing in a player of Werner’s stature. What kind of message is that sending to Mane or Salah?

For those that scoff at this kind of stuff It’s quite illuminating reading about Fernando Torre’s decline and fall at Liverpool. Sometimes you have to coddle player’s egos to get the most out of them.

 

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I think the key point is “the right guys” .. or, more accurately the right guys to fill positions of real need. When you have a glaring hole in the lineup it’s pretty easy to justify spending big to fill it. Werner, on the other hand was going to be, at least initially , a complimentary player and long term protection against any of the front three leaving.

Plus, you always worry about team psychology when bringing in a player of Werner’s stature. What kind of message is that sending to Mane or Salah?

For those that scoff at this kind of stuff It’s quite illuminating reading about Fernando Torre’s decline and fall at Liverpool. Sometimes you have to coddle player’s egos to get the most out of them.

good point. If I’m being honest, the part that gives me pause is the apparently split between Klopp and the front office. The pieces I’ve read so far make it seem like Klopp was all in on Werner. Not that I think this will sour the LFC-Klopp relationship, but rather than Klopp knows the squad so well and has a long track record of identifying his guys.

I wonder about Memphis Depay as a buy low option - a year left on his contract and rehabbing an ACL injury. Obviously he knew would have to check out, but he could actually cover for Firmino and provide depth on the wings.
 

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I wonder how pissed TAA is that Robbo got an "assist" on Fabinho's thunderstrike. We know they're competing, but that falls into a "Dude, really?" category.
 

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I wonder how pissed TAA is that Robbo got an "assist" on Fabinho's thunderstrike. We know they're competing, but that falls into a "Dude, really?" category.
Just like Van Dijk got an assist for being fouled for TAA's free kick.
 

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Liverpool being the earliest team to clinch the title AND the latest team to clinch the title is pretty cool.
 

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Congratulations. Probably one of the most impressive top flight campaigns in 131 years of playing this game.

The job that has been done at Liverpool since FSG took over has been nothing short of remarkable. While I don’t think anyone deserves anything in football, this squad earned all of the platitudes that have been bestowed upon them. And while it doesn’t actually mean more, I know how special this is for the fans. So congratulations and I hope you’re all celebrating and feeling an immense sense of satisfaction. Cheers.
 

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Matip is out for the rest of the year with a foot injury, so be prepared for some more of the Dejan Lovren Experience in the last few games.
 
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Matip is out for the rest of the year with a for injury, so be prepared for some more of the Dejan Lovren Experience in the last few games.
There goes the points record....

I’m actually hoping Gomez can use this opportunity to lock down the job next to VVD. He’s grown so much as a game-reader and positioner since VVD arrived, but the only way he’ll continue to improve is to get regular starts. No disrespect to Matip, but I think he’s done developing. I believe Gomez has another level he can unlock running alongside VVD.
 

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There goes the points record....

I’m actually hoping Gomez can use this opportunity to lock down the job next to VVD. He’s grown so much as a game-reader and positioner since VVD arrived, but the only way he’ll continue to improve is to get regular starts. No disrespect to Matip, but I think he’s done developing. I believe Gomez has another level he can unlock running alongside VVD.
Yeah, I think Gomez will be the first choice in the run-in, but with 7 games in 24 days they're going to need to rotate some. Hopefully nobody on the back line gets injured, since with Milner hurting as well Gomez is probably the first backup for the fullbacks.
 

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Yeah, I think Gomez will be the first choice in the run-in, but with 7 games in 24 days they're going to need to rotate some. Hopefully nobody on the back line gets injured, since with Milner hurting as well Gomez is probably the first backup for the fullbacks.
They've got Williams who can play Right Back, but don't really have a back up Left back.
 

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Did we ever figure out what actually happened to Matip? It was a scrap with Richarlison that got him hurt, and it didn’t look unlike a stamp at first glance.
 

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If I recall it’s a dislocated big toe .. beyond that I’ve not heard anything. Mind you, just had a poke around on the InterWeb and there were no details discovered .. so , I’m not even sure where I heard about the big toe .. maybe in Klopp’s post game comments?