ShhhhhhhhhIn game sign detection and pitch-tipping detection is way down because of the new video rules.
ShhhhhhhhhIn game sign detection and pitch-tipping detection is way down because of the new video rules.
On the one hand, it seems like an obvious "yes" to me. But on the other, the game has been trending towards only Ks and HRs for the last few years.It would be hard to know for sure, but what if this was a truly legit thing? I suppose it's entirely possible, right?
If he went 2 for 4 it would match his season long total for hits.If a guy can raise his BA by 100 points with two good games (2-4 & 3-4) then it's too small a sample.
Could be like the dip in offense after the PED issues (not that there are not still PEDs)On the one hand, it seems like an obvious "yes" to me. But on the other, the game has been trending towards only Ks and HRs for the last few years.
I ask in the least-trollish way possible: do we chalk this up to the sign-stealing scheme? We’d almost certainly say something like that if it were an Astro.In retrospect, it sure looks like 2018 was a massive outlier for him. 2017 and 2019 look pretty similar. 2020 looks like a complete "send him to the minors at once" disaster.
Not that Devers, JBJ and JDM are doing much of anything either. But at least their OPS+ marks are higher than friggin' three.
As others have pointed out, the changes in video viewing rules certainly might have an effect here. Baseball players are notorious creatures of habit, a change in their game day routines and no longer being able to access (previously legal) video might have an adverse effect, for sure.I ask in the least-trollish way possible: do we chalk this up to the sign-stealing scheme? We’d almost certainly say something like that if it were an Astro.
I'm not a qualified hitting analyst, but it seems to me that, in terms of new information, in-game can only really be an advantage to looking at the pitcher possibly tipping and sign sequences. If a hitter was in a slump where he was dropping a shoulder, or scwering up a leg kick or holding the bat wrong, he wouldn't need the at-bat from 5 minutes ago to tell him that. And similarly, there's only one guy pitching or hitting at a time., so I dont buy the "coaches need this" aspect. I think SJH has apoint in that it's could be routine for the sake of routine for some.Kevin Cash complained about the lack of video over the weekend, this is definitely impacting JDM for one.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rays-manager-kevin-cash-rips-mlb-for-new-in-game-video-restrictions-an-injustice-to-players/amp/
No it's not. It's an adjustment and the players will have to make it.It's dumb to call it an "injustice" (sorry, Kevin Cash). It's the way the game was played for more than a century. Players shouldn't need in-game video in order to play. Obviously it's helpful, but taking it away (in order to prevent what appears to be the inevitable cheating) isn't an "injustice".
In game sign detection and pitch-tipping detection is way down because of the new video rules.
No, it absolutely isn't. If that were the explanation, it would only affect PAs with a man on second.It would be hard to know for sure, but what if this was a truly legit thing? I suppose it's entirely possible, right?
I'm pretty comfortable in saying the stats are 100% correct in showing he's had a terrible season thusfar.
Pitch-tipping only impacts the game with a runner on second?No, it absolutely isn't. If that were the explanation, it would only affect PAs with a man on second.
Pitch-tipping only impacts the game with a runner on second?
Pitch tipping, maybe. But I doubt that’s a meaningful portion of PAs.Pitch-tipping only impacts the game with a runner on second?
Right but pitch-tipping could be significant. And combine that with the PAs with runners on second...it could add up to a pretty decent disadvantage (or....more like...neutralizing) for the hitters, compared with the past few years.Pitch tipping, maybe. But I doubt that’s a meaningful portion of PAs.
Sign stealing (barring trash can banging) only affects PAs with runners on second.
Don't forget to take out every other team's top-scoring game as well.As I pointed out yesterday, that runs per game number is still disproportionately supported by the big number they put up Opening Day. Since then, they're averaging 3.57 runs per game, which would put them 25th in MLB. The offense has been more than slightly below average for much of the season.
How many of the 29 pitchers Benintendi has faced would you guess were tipping? How common do you think pitch tipping is?Right but pitch-tipping could be significant. And combine that with the PAs with runners on second...it could add up to a pretty decent disadvantage (or....more like...neutralizing) for the hitters, compared with the past few years.
Not to be argumentative or a dick, but if you don’t know how much this happens, how can you say, “ No, it absolutely isn't.” a few posts ago?How many of the 29 pitchers Benintendi has faced would you guess were tipping? How common do you think pitch tipping is?
edit: I have no idea, but my guess would be not that common.
It doesn't just have to be pitch-tipping. From JDM's comments, players (I assume on all teams) would routinely use the video room not to steal signs or even necessarily to look for tipped pitches but just to study in-game film more generally. A player could go to the video room and note, for example, that a pitcher was throwing a lot of breaking balls down and away when he was ahead in the count to lefthanders (or whatever).How many of the 29 pitchers Benintendi has faced would you guess were tipping? How common do you think pitch tipping is?
edit: I have no idea, but my guess would be not that common.
Maybe tipping is the wrong word. ( Which I used first..). That suggests the pitcher is doing something wrong. Maybe JDM has superior "picking up" skills. "He doesn't usually do this, but tonight he spits before every changeup"How many of the 29 pitchers Benintendi has faced would you guess were tipping? How common do you think pitch tipping is?
edit: I have no idea, but my guess would be not that common.
Because pitch tipping and sign stealing are both rare phenomena, and the change we're looking at is massive. I'm not sure exactly how rare pitch tipping is, but I am quite sure that the absence of in-game pitch tipping using video — again, pre-game video scouting is still allowed! — is not enough to turn a .774 OPS hitter into a .344 OPS hitter.Not to be argumentative or a dick, but if you don’t know how much this happens, how can you say, “ No, it absolutely isn't.” a few posts ago?
I don't think it's necessarily permanent either, but it's quite clear that something is up with him from his plate discipline numbers, which should be stabilizing soon. These are rounded from his fangraphs page.Maybe tipping is the wrong word. ( Which I used first..). That suggests the pitcher is doing something wrong. Maybe JDM has superior "picking up" skills. "He doesn't usually do this, but tonight he spits before every changeup"
And it doesn't have be a hit every time. Just spoiling a nasty slider accomplishes something.
Admittedly, we're all guessing here. And if I can suggest that benintendi 47PAs aren't yet a sample of anything permanent, I suppose I should accept the same for others adjusting to no video.
I didn’t know what to make of that, either. Not humid enough in New England in the summer?
And they didn’t put one in Yankee Stadium with that little league RF?I didn’t know what to make of that, either. Not humid enough in New England in the summer?
'Cause nobody tipped off the Sox pitchers?And they didn’t put one in Yankee Stadium with that little league RF?
This league is a joke. And how the hell are we only finding out about this now?
This needs to be its own thread.
Next three games scheduled against Snell, Glasnow and Cole.Just putting this in as a bookmark. As of today, 6 and 11, .353. Dead last in the AL. 17 games down 43 to go.
The offense will wake up eventually - and the club is only a #1 and a #2 away from contending. So I'm not worried long term. But this season is toast. I'm rooting for the #1 pick. . .although with Covid, who knows how easy *that* will be to translate into value?SSS but Perez has been good. Not great... and definitely not "no. 2" on a good rotation good. But if he can keep this up in 2021 he's going to be a great signing (if he doesn't get traded).
Eovaldi has been very good. Chavis is looking to be the real deal also.
Trying to find bright spots... granted, I've only watched highlights and maybe a grand total of 9 scattered innings so far.
2 of his last 3 games have been really good, a 3/4 1HR game and a 2/4 game with a triple. Those have pulled his numbers up. But as you say, he's only played 10 games. His BB% is way down and his iso is way up, and I think we can expect those things to return to normal baselines eventually. We just don't know what those baselines are since he doesn't have much experience and is still developing.Chavis is getting a ton of grief here in SoSH. And to be fair, I haven't watched much of the games so I'm sure I've missed so much of what he's done. But I look at his line through his 10 games played, and it's more than respectable:
34 ab, 5 r, 9 h, 1 2b, 1 3b, 2 hr, 5 rbi, .265/.286/.529/.815
Obviously the OBP is awful, but we kind of expected that, right? His slugging and OPS are well above average.
For first-basemen, his SLG would rank 3rd in all of MLB among qualified candidates. His OPS would rank 5th.
For second-basemen, his SLG would rank 3rd as well, and his OPS would rank 4th.
So either position we're talking about, his power has played well so far, as a much better than average bat.
His glove and on-base skills not so much, but you can totally live with a guy like this especially if you stick him near the bottom of the lineup. Just live with his low OBP but 25 homers out of the 8-hole, at dirt-cheap cost. There's definitely room for a guy like that even on a very good major league team. Never mind THIS team.
I really hope taking a snapshot of a guy in his age 25 season in his 10th game with a .286 OBP, a 3% walk rate and a 37% k-rate while in a platoon isn't how we'd evaluate a guy being a real deal.Chavis is looking to be the real deal also.
Other bright spots (all with massive SSS warnings):SSS but Perez has been good. Not great... and definitely not "no. 2" on a good rotation good. But if he can keep this up in 2021 he's going to be a great signing (if he doesn't get traded).
Eovaldi has been very good. Chavis is looking to be the real deal also.
Trying to find bright spots... granted, I've only watched highlights and maybe a grand total of 9 scattered innings so far.
Perez was signed to be the #4 at best, so that he's not "#2 in a good rotation" good shouldn't be surprising or disappointing. He is what he is, and that's not a bad thing. RR is right...with a healthy Sale and ERod, this team is a very solid contender. Instead, they'll be fortunate to finish near .500, especially if the offense keeps scuffling.SSS but Perez has been good. Not great... and definitely not "no. 2" on a good rotation good. But if he can keep this up in 2021 he's going to be a great signing (if he doesn't get traded).
Eovaldi has been very good. Chavis is looking to be the real deal also.
Trying to find bright spots... granted, I've only watched highlights and maybe a grand total of 9 scattered innings so far.
Maybe you missed the "SSS" caveat in my post... maybe it wasn't clear that it applied to all players mentioned in it? But as mentioned- if he can keep as high a BA and SLG pct (and there's some large enough sample sizes to suggest he can), that shitty OBP isn't much of an issue. I also suspect that lower OBP's are going to be the norm going forwardI really hope taking a snapshot of a guy in his age 25 season in his 10th game with a .286 OBP, a 3% walk rate and a 37% k-rate while in a platoon isn't how we'd evaluate a guy being a real deal.
To be fair, he's done a hell of a job, and not even Connie Mack was going to win with this team.
Has he? How in the world would we know?To be fair, he's done a hell of a job, and not even Connie Mack was going to win with this team.
We could just ask Bobby Valentine.Has he? How in the world would we know?
Roenicke -- 'When things aren't going well you see some weird stuff happen to you.' 'Things aren't going well. That's all their is to it.' #RedSox
It captures the spirit of it though.I assume that's Bill Koch using the improper version of "their" v. "there."
Since it would sound the same when spoken, and he failed at a basic transcription.