Leonard and George to Clippers

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Really feels like Leonard trolled the Lakers. And West outgunning LAL has to really sting that fan base.
I suspect the extra time was needed to get the PG13 trade done. I don’t think we know who his second choice was. If his fallback option was re-signing with the Raptors, then yeah, he trolled the Lakers brilliantly, and significantly weakened a key competitor by doing so.
 

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I suspect the extra time was needed to get the PG13 trade done. I don’t think we know who his second choice was. If his fallback option was re-signing with the Raptors, then yeah, he trolled the Lakers brilliantly, and significantly weakened a key competitor by doing so.
According to Woj on SC he didn’t have much interest. Probably never fully know but I’m guessing 2 years in Toronto was his fallback.
 

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Of course not--I don't think that the Clippers are guaranteed to convey a #3, #1, and #8, and the most likely outcome is probably an average in the #15 range. I just think that people tend to overweight current performance of players, underweight injury/age uncertainty, and not properly factor in how having all your future assets owned by another team affects your probability of not sucking.
Well sure. You’re banking on career-altering injuries to Kawhi and George for these to average out around 15. Injuries can occur with any player. I wouldn’t expect any of these LA picks in the next 3-4 years to be all that valuable.

You also are failing to account for 50-70% of Prokhorov’s wealth being decimated by the Russian crisis. We can also compare the ages of Kawhi/George to Pierce/KG.
 
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According to Woj on SC he didn’t have much interest. Probably never fully know but I’m guessing 2 years in Toronto was his fallback.
But, but......what about all those “sources” who had him going to the Lakers? Today is the day for these clown clickbaiters to get called out.
 

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Two actual SoCal guys too. Fucking love it. My atheist ass is praying for health!
Congrats dude. It’s one thing for your squad to land two franchise players in the same day, but for longtime Clips fans, punking Big Brother in the process has to feel nice.

PatBev, Harkless, PG and Kawhi is a sick defensive lineup. Sub in Shamet (under the radar Jerry “King of the” West move) and Harrell and they can light it up.

So glad I get to keep rooting for Kawhi.
 

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According to Broussard, Toronto had a strong meeting with Kawhi. Drake heavily involved. Kawhi wants Lakers, but is doing deep soul searching. Clippers are out.
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But, but......what about all those “sources” who had him going to the Lakers? Today is the day for these clown clickbaiters to get called out.
I’d be interested to know whether those writers were making shit up, or whether people close to Kawhi were deliberately misleading them. (Not that I have a moral problem with the latter, but you can’t really blame a sportswriter for running a story based on a well-placed source.)
 

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Wow. Now watch Westbrook be traded to the Lakers.
I'd love to see ball-dominant Westbrook play with AD and LeBron. That would be fun to watch what happens there. If RW could ever realize that he's just not that great an offensive player, and choose to be a complimentary offensive player while continuing his uber max effort everywhere else (which is something he should get tons of credit for - the guy plays as hard as anyone I've ever seen), he could be a tremendous help to a team with championship aspirations. But it all comes down to pride, really. He's got too much of it to step back like that.
 

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That haul for PG is NUTS. I love it!!! The NBA is going to be incredible this year - thank you Kawhi!!!
 

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I’d be interested to know whether those writers were making shit up, or whether people close to Kawhi were deliberately misleading them. (Not that I have a moral problem with the latter, but you can’t really blame a sportswriter for running a story based on a well-placed source.)
True.....but if a sportswriters sources are deliberately misleading them they are doing an awful job of identifying their sources.
 

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Not that I’m not thrilled that LAL whiffed here, but holy God this is a terrible case of tampering. Kawhi went and tore PG out of OKC with his own two hands.
I’m SHOCKED to learn that tampering is going on!
 

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True.....but if a sportswriters sources are deliberately misleading them they are doing an awful job of identifying their sources.
I dunno. Deception was unusually important to Kawhi’s camp this time — the OKC trade probably doesn’t happen if word of it leaked. I could see a highly trusted source deciding that this was the moment to burn a bridge. Btw, this illustrates perfectly why journalists don’t run major stories based on a single off-the-record source, but I think we all know that sportswriters don’t hold themselves to the standards of real journalists.

Not saying this was the case for a known hack like Broussard, but I’d be willing extend the benefit of the doubt to a usually reliable reporter who got this one wrong. (That said, the folks who are usually reliable seemed to admit they didn’t have a read on Kawhi’s intentions, so maybe there was no deception going on.)
 

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But, but......what about all those “sources” who had him going to the Lakers? Today is the day for these clown clickbaiters to get called out.
Broussard was the only guy who declared anything with confidence, though, right?

And I mean that's just shooting fish in a barrel.
 

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Well sure. You’re banking on career-altering injuries to Kawhi and George for these to average out around 15. Injuries can occur with any player. I wouldn’t expect any of these LA picks in the next 3-4 years to be all that valuable.

You also are failing to account for 50-70% of Prokhorov’s wealth being decimated by the Russian crisis. We can also compare the ages of Kawhi/George to Pierce/KG.
Neither are the Thunder. The first LA Clippers pick/swap doesn't convey until 2022. Hell, the Clippers could 3-peat and it could still end up as a good trade for the Thunder.

This isn't a guaranteed win for OKC by any means, and the most likely outcome is not a string of lotto picks, but if things start to take a downturn in LA around 2022, the Clippers don't have easy ways to stop the tailspin, which increases Presti's expected value.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand. I tried multiple times to give the disclaimer that this is a good deal for the Clippers.
 

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Neither are the Thunder. The first LA Clippers pick/swap doesn't convey until 2022. Hell, the Clippers could 3-peat and it could still end up as a good trade for the Thunder.

This isn't a guaranteed win for OKC by any means, and the most likely outcome is not a string of lotto picks, but if things start to take a downturn in LA around 2022, the Clippers don't have easy ways to stop the tailspin, which increases Presti's expected value. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.


Let's say the left edge (0) is the Clippers being good for a prolonged period of time, and the picks amounting to nothing.
Let's say the tail is any number of outcomes where the Clippers' long term chances collapse and the picks end up being worth a lot.

That's what Presti (and analogously, Griffin) is betting on. Not likely but far from impossible.
 

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All the information that leaked from Magic’s conversations with Kawhi team didn’t help the Lakers case.
This really is life sustaining.

The Lakers and Klutch took a huge L last night; owned by the crosstown rival club. Massive snub by PG and KL both players who were supposed to be Lakers and were penciled in as such by their fans many times. Finally, all coordinated by Jerry West at the expense of Magic. Couldn't be more painful for Lakers fans and I stan for it.
 

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This really is life sustaining.

The Lakers and Klutch took a huge L last night; owned by the crosstown rival club. Massive snub by PG and KL both players who were supposed to be Lakers and were penciled in as such by their fans many times. Finally, all coordinated by Jerry West at the expense of Magic. Couldn't be more painful for Lakers fans and I stan for it.
Magic foolishly gifting them Zubac in February is the cherry on the sundae.
 

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I didnt even realize Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is also in the deal, not just the picks. My goodness.
 

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PG clearly never wanted to play with Lebron and he wasn’t convinced the Clippers were a good option. Kawhi didn’t really want to play with the Lakers but needed the leverage to make sure the Clippers brought in PG and the Raptors were the fall back in case neither team worked out.

West kept it close to the vest and “sources” were used for misinformation to keep everyone in the game and leveraged. Once the PG trade went down, it was an easy play.
 

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Wow, the Woj story is bananas with Presti playing Toronto and LAC against each other like a Machiavelli genius. The Clips were so desperate that they had to do it and they were right.
 

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It's the clippers. You know damn well Kawhi's leg and PG's shoulder are 50/50 to fall off any night
I hope this isn't true for the Clippers. But PG had injuries to both his shoulders last season, and -- due to surgery -- was expected to miss the beginning of the season.
 

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Was hopeful I didn’t wake up to news of a massive earthquake. Yet I did. But of a beautiful kind.

Suck it Laker bros.
 

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Presti offered the Raptors Westbrook and George for a deal centered around Siakam. Wow.
Yeah, but per Woj:
In the end, Toronto didn't have assets to satisfy OKC --- with or without Siakam in any proposed deal. The fear of Toronto entering into trade talks with OKC only proved to guarantee the Clippers would go the distance with five first-round picks and SGA in deal for George.
 

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Congrats dude. It’s one thing for your squad to land two franchise players in the same day, but for longtime Clips fans, punking Big Brother in the process has to feel nice.

PatBev, Harkless, PG and Kawhi is a sick defensive lineup. Sub in Shamet (under the radar Jerry “King of the” West move) and Harrell and they can light it up.

So glad I get to keep rooting for Kawhi.
They still have Lou Williams too, right? That's a pretty solid roster, but is Zubac the only guy over 6'9"?
 

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What is Kawhi's actual deal? I went to bed before the MOAB and catching up.
 

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Well the league has to move the draft to LA as soon as possible, since the two teams there have like 3 draft picks between them in the next 20 years.

Gotta go for it, if you're the LAC, without question. And good chance the swaps are useless. But sweet mother of God. When that snowball inevitably starts rolling downhill, ain't nothing gonna stop it.

I was hoping that KL would stay in Toronto, since it's a nice story. Team builds around him, some good young guys, etc. But that kick in the nuts for the LAL is lovely, with PG of all people joining KL in Clipperland and Mr. Laker masterminding it... Just fucking marvelous.
 

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All the information that leaked from Magic’s conversations with Kawhi team didn’t help the Lakers case.
One can only wonder if Magic did this to undermine Pelinka. I mean everyone else in the world knows that KL likes to keepeverything on the QT and that he needs to be able to trust his team's organization to do the same.
 

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Has anyone in anything ever just basically kicked ass for 50+ years the way Jerry West has in basketball?
I understand the sentiment, but, dude, this is a Celtics board. That answer is obvious.

Agree with others about Presti. Gun to his head and he was cool and masterful. That's as good a haul as could be expected. I wonder what else was in that Russ-PG for Siakam deal...