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Barca took 3 hard won points from Atleti at the Calderon today. Very tight game throughout with lots of interesting tactics. First, the goals. Rafinha put in a goal from close range after bouncing around off a corner. Umititi used some fancy skill to get the ball towards the goal. Atleti responded well with Godin doing Godin things and nicking a header off a set piece free kick in the final third. Finally, Messi buried a terrific chance from close range in the 86th minute.
Good summary and interesting commentary. My assessment was much more succinct: (1) Atletico played better but failed to finish and (2) Messi.

Usually, I might write Messi-Neymar-Suarez, who are all top-5 players in the world. They can really win a game by themselves with brilliant individual plays and electric work among themselves.
 

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More of the same in the second half. Messi gifted a goal to Alcacer who came on for Suarez at the half. Neymar then curled a beautiful free kick from the right side. Gomes in for Messi (get that man some rest!), and Roberto in for Rafinha. Denis continues to be awesome.
 

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Rakitic just slammed an absolute rocket in from close range. With Messi and Suarez out, the offense is very much running thru Ney. Shades of the late Pep years at the moment. Lots of good combination play and attackers getting into very advanced positions, winning the ball back quickly up the field. Gijon also sucks though, so there's that. Celta will be a much stiffer challenge this weekend.
 

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Rakitic just slammed an absolute rocket in from close range. With Messi and Suarez out, the offense is very much running thru Ney. Shades of the late Pep years at the moment. Lots of good combination play and attackers getting into very advanced positions, winning the ball back quickly up the field. Gijon also sucks though, so there's that. Celta will be a much stiffer challenge this weekend.
And, in a typically-bizarre Luis Enrique fashion, he announced after the match that he's done with Barca after this season.
 

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Too good to be true. 10-man Real gets a dubious penalty call and a score off a corner to get a draw out of that match. Barca now control their own destiny with the Clasico still to play (late April).
 

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Too good to be true. 10-man Real gets a dubious penalty call and a score off a corner to get a draw out of that match. Barca now control their own destiny with the Clasico still to play (late April).
To be fair to RM, one of Las Palmas's goals came on an equally-dubious penalty call. And Bale's red card was slightly harsh (though not terribly so). But yeah, making up 2 goals while down a man is ridiculous, even for RM. LPA had a few high-percentage chances to run up a few more, so they have nobody to blame but themselves. And both sides had a late chance at a winner, too, after the game was tied.
 

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Most of the top sides holding serve this weekend. Barca thrashed Celta with a return to the 4-3-3. Rafinha and Rak paired well, although most of the goals came thru SNM brilliance. At least the D looked much better. I think Masche deserves lots of credit for his leadership and skill here. Real also beat Eibar handily in one of their trickier remaining fixtures. Sevilla plays Alaves today and it should be noted that Sampaoli has the club in a 3-team race at the top. If Sevilla wins today, they will be one point back of Barca in March two-thirds of the way thru the season. Atleti took care of Valencia to keep their slim lead over Sociedad for the final UCL spot. The Grease Man continues to pour in goals. Villareal also got valuable points with a win over Espanol to hold on to the last Europa spot. At the bottom, Osasuna is done for. Gijon and Granada have lots of work to do too because they are giving up far more goals than the clubs they want to catch in Leganes and Coruna.
 

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So the La Liga title race continues. Barca and Real are tied at the top, but Real has a game in hand. Real Madrid needs to drop 3 more points than Barcelona the rest of the way in order to drop the title; if tied, the tiebreaker goes to Barcelona on head-to-head.

Real still has a few challenging matches left, next at Deportivo, then and home vs Valencia (who shocked them in February), Sevilla (who held them off in January), and at Celta de Vigo who might be healthy by May 17th. Barca has their away derby at Espanyol, and hosts #5 Villarreal, but other than that, 3 cupcakes. Pressure is all on Zidane.

What killed Barca's season was the early loss at home to mid-table Alaves, home draw vs Malaga, and the shocking loss at Deportivo who are just above the relegation zone. Even a little bit of focus might have put them in the driver's seat, but Messi's terminator-like game in the Clasico has at least given them a chance.
 

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cross-posting from the Barca thread because I'm literally shocked that there hasn't been more discussion about that game:

DUDE. What a fucking game. Did I miss where people are talking about this?!?! That was some top notch football at its best. Seesaw battle that showed why these two teams are typically considered the best in the world. First mention goes to the keepers who put on a goddamn clinic today. MaTS had 3-4 out of this world saves and Navas probably had 4-5. Both guys played out of their minds. The first thing that jumps out to me of that match is why Real was defending with 3 on the last play. Yes, Sergi made ANOTHER heroic play and got past 2 Real forward players, but there was not a damn reason not to defend with 5 at that point.

On Real's side, it was a fascinating performance. I think Ramos is a top 5, maybe 10, CB in the world, but that tackle was dumb and an obvious red. Marcelo continues to be the best LB in the world and really led a lot of the best Real attacks. Carvajal continued to be a solid RB. I don't even remember who played CB with Ramos but he was unremarkable. Casemiro is quickly becoming one of my favorite players. As he ages, he should learn how to foul more effectively and not get hisself into trouble. But, a destroyer like that with real footskills in the final third, is worth his weight in gold. The goal was just a cherry on top. I thought Kroos and Modric were both fine, but didn't have their most effective games. Modric had the one blast from distance that almost went in but I was surprised not to see Isco this game. I'm the biggest Asensio fan boi but I thought he looked overwhelmed today. He setup CRon for a couple of almost goals, and he shouldn't get knocked for that, but he wasn't as ebullient as I've seen him in the past. Bale clearly wasn't match ready and it's too bad. CRon had a bad game, he normally finishes at least one of those chances. Benz was very quiet. James gets a mention because I was shocked he got into the game ahead of Isco and Morata and he delivered in a big way.

On Barca, I thought the Casemiro goal was just lax set piece defending. Although some Real players were offside, Ramos was not, and to not recover and let Casemiro poach the back post is an indictment on the whole team. I thought Roberto continued his year of solid defending but unease in the final third. The kid looks ready to take on a MF role, so Barca should really get focused on a RB solution. I thought Pique could've done a bit more perhaps on the James goal, although he was keeping track of CRon and Busi was the one marking James. Umbeasti continues his ascent to world class CB. When the game slowed down towards the end, he got more aggressive and made some incisive passes and short runs. Alba had a MONSTER game. He was just bombing down the left and had a couple real nice recoveries too. Busi had an OK game, but really let down the D on the James goal. I thought Iniesta was passable, but really can't offer much at the highest level anymore for 90 minutes. Rakitic - what a bawse. That rocket was legendary. Off foot?!? Bawse. Paco was pretty average and didn't finish any chances or have a particularly high workrate. Luisito was out of his element yet again, but was unlucky to not put a couple of volleys in. Gomes had a couple of bad turnovers but did contribute to the final goal so better than usual from him. Was sad not to see Denis, per usual.

MESSI. MAGIC MAN MOTHERFUCKING MESSI. What else can you say about the guy? he got bloodied early on and then went on a rampage and decimated Real. His first goal was vintage Messi where he was playing on fast mode while everyone else was still on normal - PlayStation FIFA style. Did you see Carvajal go for a tackle and catch a whole lotta air. Messi really served as another MF for most of the 2nd half, so Barca still doesn't have a lot of plans as it seemed that Messi still had no real marching orders and other players looked around confused often. On the final goal though, Messi took it perfectly when anything less would've been stopped by Keylor. I filled my pants just thinking about it. Messi's celebration even felt legendary. Showing his jersey to the Bernabeu fan for a solid minute was cold blooded and he clearly relished the moment bigly.

With a game in hand and about 6 fixtures left (too tired to check), this match may not matter to the final standings (Ramos getting suspended would be a very interesting development to this end). But as Ray said on the broadcast, worry about tomorrow later, and enjoy this now. Football and Messi at their finest.
 

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So the La Liga title race continues. Barca and Real are tied at the top, but Real has a game in hand. Real Madrid needs to drop 3 more points than Barcelona the rest of the way in order to drop the title; if tied, the tiebreaker goes to Barcelona on head-to-head.

Real still has a few challenging matches left, next at Deportivo, then and home vs Valencia (who shocked them in February), Sevilla (who held them off in January), and at Celta de Vigo who might be healthy by May 17th. Barca has their away derby at Espanyol, and hosts #5 Villarreal, but other than that, 3 cupcakes. Pressure is all on Zidane.

What killed Barca's season was the early loss at home to mid-table Alaves, home draw vs Malaga, and the shocking loss at Deportivo who are just above the relegation zone. Even a little bit of focus might have put them in the driver's seat, but Messi's terminator-like game in the Clasico has at least given them a chance.
To add: Ramos will be suspended for at least 2 matches (should be more, but it wont) and Bale is out for the season (confirmed). I think the former is a much bigger blow, as Varane is still recovering from injury. I'm now rooting for MAN U in the EL since I want Celta to be able to focus on their match with Madrid. Sevilla is the match I think they drop points, but since Madrid plays 2x a week from here on out, look for tired legs. Sadly, they have an incredibly deep squad and rotation should be doable. The key will be when to get rest for Marcelo and Casemiro because those 2 more than anyone else in the squad are irreplaceable IMO.
 
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They're saying Bale is out for the UCL Semi vs Atleti, but Zidane is saying he's hoping he can return before the end of the season.

Agreed that Marcelo and Casemiro are the irreplaceable parts, but Ramos being out might be the most harmful. Going from Varane down to Nacho on Sunday was a pretty big jump; going from Ramos down to... Pepe? might certainly be the difference in the league.

I root against him, and thought Ramos's red card was justified, but I didn't think his tackle was so vicious, or its results so impactful, that he needed a longer ban. 2 seems fair to me.
 

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They're saying Bale is out for the UCL Semi vs Atleti, but Zidane is saying he's hoping he can return before the end of the season.

Agreed that Marcelo and Casemiro are the irreplaceable parts, but Ramos being out might be the most harmful. Going from Varane down to Nacho on Sunday was a pretty big jump; going from Ramos down to... Pepe? might certainly be the difference in the league.

I root against him, and thought Ramos's red card was justified, but I didn't think his tackle was so vicious, or its results so impactful, that he needed a longer ban. 2 seems fair to me.
Totally agree, if they had harder matches during Ramos' ban, I would be very excited. As it is, Valencia without Ramos will be a challenge. After Ramos, I think Casemiro and Marcelo are their most important players. I was unclear about that.
 

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Bale certainly has some incredible talent but my eyes and statistics suggest Real Madrid is better without him. On one hand, it's a lot to expect Asensio, Morata, Isco, Lucas Vazquez, and Kovacic to perform as well as Bale in big matches given Bale's speed and knack for big plays. On the other hand, Real Madrid can implement a system that is more balanced and puts Ronaldo in a better position without Bale.
 

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In Liga matches, where Real usually is dictating the game, you can have a more direct winger than Bale and improve your chances for 3 points. However, in the CL semis they will miss him. He's an awesome two way player. The work he does off the ball almost makes you forgive CR7's lack of contribution in the back end. In a much more even match up, I'd want what Bale provides the entire pitch. I don't see Atleti allowing the tie to become a shootout.
 

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Totally agree, if they had harder matches during Ramos' ban, I would be very excited. As it is, Valencia without Ramos will be a challenge. After Ramos, I think Casemiro and Marcelo are their most important players. I was unclear about that.
Well, I was wrong about the auto 2-match ban. Ramos will only be out for today's match against Liga dregs Deportivo. Good debate to be had whether Ramos' tackle deserves a longer suspension, especially in light of Neymar's recent punishment.

My hope is Asensio lights it up and the politics at Real force a Bale sale.
One thing worth noting, Madrid has more expensive options than Asensio, like James for example, but recognizes that Asensio is the better player and plays him (at least recently). The same cannot be said over at Barca, where Denis has played much better than Gomes this year, but presumably because of their price tags (whether Lucho's decision or the Board's), the latter has played bigger more important minutes.
 
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BTW, games today: Barca plays hapless Osasuna at 1:30pm ET, Real Madrid plays Deportivo at 3:30pm ET.

(not mentioning the small matter of Arsenal-Leicester, Palace-Spurs, or Bayern-Dortmund in the DFB-Pokal...)
 

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Both teams emphatically hold serve. Real has an unbelievably deep squad while Barca's B team looked excellent against a poor Osasuna side. Catalan derby for Barca Saturday and probably Madrid's 3rd trickiest remaining fixture against Valencia same day (Sevilla and @ Celta).
 

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Madrid wins La Liga 3 points ahead of Barca. Madrid, Barca, Atleti, and Sevilla will head to UCL next year while Villareal and Sociedad head to EL. Granada, Osasuna, and Gijon are going down. Levante and Girona are going up. While the EPL had a glut of teams all close together from 8-18, La Liga was more uneven with tiers emerging throughout the table. 1-13 were all pretty strong IMO. Celta was in the EL semis and has several players that will filter up to the bigger clubs in the coming years, Valencia is still a club with cachet although they are still trying to find their old form under Lim, etc. While Gijon was much better than their woeful relegation mates, they were not nearly as good as Las Palmas, Betis, Depor, or Leganes. Eibar continues to kickass while drawing about 5K to each match. Messi ran away with the Pichichi with 37 goals, followed by Suarez with 29, and CRon with 25. Other notables include Aspas with 19, Griezmann with 16, Aduriz who refuses to age with 16, Morata with 15 coming off the bench mostly, Sandro with 14, Neymar with 13, Gameiro with 12, and Benzema with 11. Suarez, Kroos, Neymar, Marcelo, Messi, Correa, Griezmann, Isco, and Koke were all in the top 10 for assists.

This should be an interesting offseason for the top 3. Beginning with Madrid, I expect Pepe, Coentrao, James, and Morata to move on. Lucas Vazquez is a fine backup for Benz and Isco and Asensio have passed James. With the team in pretty good shape up and down the roster, I don't expect them to make too many moves. Perhaps grab another FB. At Barca, I expect Mathieu and Arda to shove off. I expect Masche will be happy being the third CB behind Pique as Umtiti becomes a regular. Barca need to find another RB to push or get in front of Vidal, who will be coming back from major injury. That will also free Sergi to move into MF where he's needed. Hopefully, he and Gomes can provide some breathers to Busquets who had a down season. I still think Rakitic is world class and Denis could get there soon with PT, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make a big move for Verratti (or Coutinho). I think Barca will roll with SNM for another season under Valverde before deciding a real succession plan. Atleti could be headed for rough waters. I think Griezmann is gone. While I love Correa and Vietto, I think that's a big order for the Argentines, Carrasco, and Gameiro (and Torres!). This core is getting old, with Gabi, Juanfran, Fernandez, Luis, Godin and Gameiro all 30+. Fortunately, Savic, Koke, Saul, and the rest of the squad is very young and is a solid core. I honestly have no idea what Sevilla and the other clubs will do.
 

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Atletico is waiting on the verdict of the signing ban it received for signing under-aged players. If Atletico wins the appeal, I suspect they will make some big plays in the transfer market. If they lose it, they better hang on to Griezmann and hope Godin and Gabi don't age.