NYC was arguably the most COVID serious city in the US, yet they didn’t jettison his vaccine-avoiding ass.
Kyrie went 5-16 in getting eliminated and we have schadenfreude.
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Does NYC not normally include them? Even with small, outlier communities not taking Covid seriously, NYC was particularly devastated by and serious about Covid.
Yes, I think so. In the off-season they wanted a package that would help them compete now while still gaining long-term assets. Something like Jaylen Brown, TL and picks, or at the very least JB and picks. I think now they might be more comfortable with a complete tear-down (salary fodder and as many picks as they can get).
I mean, prior to the season, despite all the drama of the off-season, I think there was still some hope that the abundance of talent on this roster might push them to contention. But then the season started and it’s become apparent that Simmons is shell-shocked, and Kyrie is going to double-down on the moron messiah act that sunk last year’s team.
It might be time to cash in their chips and move on..
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No, but since we’re in a thread discussing antisemitism, it is revealing when a poster cannot resist their urge to make an irrelevant criticism of a Jewish community.
I think you missed Marciano’s point. He was critiquing the comment. That said, the haredi response to covid was, overall, egregiously bad.
I believe Ale is Jewish and it was much more “look at me I know a fact” than anything malevolent.
Edit - wait am I the antisemite? I thought he meant Ale.
Just curious— right now what do you think Kylie could fetch? (Note: Halloween characters like Corpse of Wesrbrick & Exposing Primo don’t count).
This is one of the most toxic assets in sports right now.
It seems like it might be time for teams to start creating contracts with clauses that prohibit social media posts - especially with any player that seem like a potential lose cannon..
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Agreed, but there’s no reason to bring that up in this thread other than to attack that community.
I think the lakers would give up rwb and a 1st for him. Probably more if there's any young player on their roster that interests the Nets. They're far more desperate than the Nets are right now.
I get what Brooklyn was trying to do. The only thing they could do once they decided they weren’t trading Durant— run it back, hope for good health, hope Simmons would figure it all out & move beyond his ghosts in Philly (not trying to diminish any mental health issues he is having) and most importantly, counting on Kyrie to engage and not be batshit crazy. It’s like asking Daniel LaRusso to run the table. It happens in the movies but . . .
Probably the only possibility out there. Though b/c of the Davis trade the Lakers don’t fully control their own pick until 2026 I believe. And I’m not sure what player on the Lakers roster would move the needle (I mean, Matt Ryan is one of their top rotation guys). And the Nets are pretty desperate— their window is closing and they’ve got the only anti-Semitic, flat earther, shitty teammate in this equation.
Great, then the Nets can just keep sending Kyrie out there. No one's riding to their rescue and no one's giving up anything for Irving. Because you can always just wait for the Nets to buy out Irving.
So instead of trading a guy they've been wanting to get rid of for months with 90+% of the season left to salvage things the lakers are instead going to wait for months for him to maybe be bought out, maybe be able to sign him, and maybe their season won't be hopelessly over by then?
Kyrie changed his pinned Tweet the other day, and it’s a real piece of work, even Tweet Imageby his lofty standards:
View: https://twitter.com/kyrieirving/status/1585712621726334977
The responses are full of people telling him that he doesn’t understand Islam.
View: https://twitter.com/kyrieirving/status/1585712621726334977
I liked this one:
View: https://twitter.com/ryantherockgod/status/1586479162881376256?s=46&t=_J0ucAUdYq1buedMXqjFWQ
So you're literally referring to yourself as a God now. I prefer my Gods to not get swept in the first round, but that's why we have religious freedom!
Mike Vaccaro from New York Post is ready for the Nets to move on from Kyrie:
https://nypost.com/2022/10/30/nets-need-to-move-on-from-kyrie-irving-after-tweet-controversy/?_gl=1*my3yol*_ga*c29zOGRaMWEyY1ZCV3dvdUhUSm1oQjFDUTlFNzB6d0h6WEtwWHVudkdQLVhkZ0d0VHFHUVViM3JvYzhpSGF1NQ..&sp_amp_linker=1*1v437nq*amp_id*M3JyNEd1ZzUycllzM0FzNGxWT0JZNTZGeTZDU2laZjFYMFhGREJzeW9DMENMZ0JiaFc5R2dwZDdiak9ycVpKTw
He also cites some pretty horrible quotes from the Kyrie endorsed “documentary” which includes:
“The Jews have established five major falsehoods which work to conceal their nature and protect their status and power, to wit: 1) The Jews are “Israelites,” and thus God’s chosen people; 2) Jesus Christ was a Jew; 3) That 6 million people were killed in a holocaust during WWII; 4) That all races are equal, or that all are brothers; and 5) That the Jews are just another religious group.”
Later, the movie also cites a quote it attributes to Adolf Hitler, that says among other things:
“Because the white Jews know that the Negroes are the real children of Israel and to keep America’s secret the Jews will blackmail America. They will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the Negroes know who they are.”
https://nypost.com/2022/10/30/nets-need-to-move-on-from-kyrie-irving-after-tweet-controversy/?_gl=1*my3yol*_ga*c29zOGRaMWEyY1ZCV3dvdUhUSm1oQjFDUTlFNzB6d0h6WEtwWHVudkdQLVhkZ0d0VHFHUVViM3JvYzhpSGF1NQ..&sp_amp_linker=1*1v437nq*amp_id*M3JyNEd1ZzUycllzM0FzNGxWT0JZNTZGeTZDU2laZjFYMFhGREJzeW9DMENMZ0JiaFc5R2dwZDdiak9ycVpKTw
He also cites some pretty horrible quotes from the Kyrie endorsed “documentary” which includes:
“The Jews have established five major falsehoods which work to conceal their nature and protect their status and power, to wit: 1) The Jews are “Israelites,” and thus God’s chosen people; 2) Jesus Christ was a Jew; 3) That 6 million people were killed in a holocaust during WWII; 4) That all races are equal, or that all are brothers; and 5) That the Jews are just another religious group.”
Later, the movie also cites a quote it attributes to Adolf Hitler, that says among other things:
“Because the white Jews know that the Negroes are the real children of Israel and to keep America’s secret the Jews will blackmail America. They will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the Negroes know who they are.”
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Oh good, holocaust denial.
That's actually somewhat helpful for anyone trying to message about why this all sucks, because "that film was anti-semitic" sounds like it could be a matter of opinion, but "that film denied the Holocaust happened" is unambiguous.
For the record, Avdija is actually half Jewish and half Muslim. Not that your suggestion isn’t still totally appropriate.
Calling the statement “all races are equal, and all are brothers” a falsehood is also pretty unambiguous.Oh good, holocaust denial.
That's actually somewhat helpful for anyone trying to message about why this all sucks, because "that film was anti-semitic" sounds like it could be a matter of opinion, but "that film denied the Holocaust happened" is unambiguous.
Holocaust denial isn't the only frightening part of what you quoted. It's an easy callout, but how about the "races aren't all equal" and the "trying to protect their status and power" shit.Oh good, holocaust denial.
That's actually somewhat helpful for anyone trying to message about why this all sucks, because "that film was anti-semitic" sounds like it could be a matter of opinion, but "that film denied the Holocaust happened" is unambiguous.
This whole thing is a lot closer to Hitler than "Moon Landing was Faked" weirdos.
Edit: and what SRN said
The disappointing thing for me is the silence of the players.
If I am the Nets I just let him keep doing interviews and making it worse for himself. Maybe he can get suspended and they save some money.
If I am the Nets I just let him keep doing interviews and making it worse for himself. Maybe he can get suspended and they save some money.
The media needs to throw these quotes in his face the next time he’s interviewed. I know he’ll just spit back his standard word salad (with a side of self-righteousness) answers, but it will make it clear what the man is supporting..
Can someone please sit this idiot down? Go be the smartest person in the world on Twitter with the other morons.
The nba universe doesnt need this. Also, i highly doubt this is some master plan to end up on the lakers. Lebron, one of the most passive aggressive players of all time media wise, cant even give straight answers about Westbrooks basketball performance. He's not sitting around for an hour answering questions about this bozo.
The nba universe doesnt need this. Also, i highly doubt this is some master plan to end up on the lakers. Lebron, one of the most passive aggressive players of all time media wise, cant even give straight answers about Westbrooks basketball performance. He's not sitting around for an hour answering questions about this bozo.
I can forgive the initial posting - I'm a strong believer in Hanlon's razor, and it's perfectly believable that some doofus in his circle said it's a good film and he should post about it without giving it much thought. When he's called out on in it and chooses to double down, he's showing that he's beyond redemption. He's since removed the post, but at this point no one should believe he did it because he thinks it was wrong, he's trying to mitigate the damage. I can't wait for him to disappear the second he's off the court for good.
Nets are home today. I'm sure Tsai can find Kyrie to sit down with him. The longer he waits the more bombs Irving is going to set off.
Yeah he'll find time. But Kyrie was willing to give back half of his salary for his beliefs before. If he's committed to this antisemitism, I don't think that anything Tsai has to say will change him.
Its great that Tsai and media people are speaking out against Kyrie's stance but it would be nice if some of his peers did the same. That might actually be more meaningful than, say Rich Eisen.
I mean, yeah. It would be nice if some non-Jews were to stand up for Jews. Like all those white peoples who kneeled with Black players.
If I recall correctly, there was solidarity between quite a few black and white players back in 2020. Rich Eisen absolutely should speak up but given who he is and the audience he reaches, its not likely to shame someone like Kyrie.
Maybe there is nothing that can embarrass Kyrie but you have to think fellow NBA players would have more of a shot than a 53 year old white Jew who has made his living in the media (and primarily covering another sport altogether).
I am not holding my breath for players to speak up to be clear. If none do it won't shock me. It just feels like the right thing.
I agree, but I'm also inclined to cut them a bit of slack in this situation. The NBA might be a sport or an entertainment industry, but for the players it's closer to a family, and not a very big one at that. Even if you're right, you're going to take shit (from some) for saying it out loud among your peers.
Edit: to your response to Van, agreed. I'll welcome it but I'm not expecting it.
fwiw...he's deleted the tweet.
View: https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1586887417142935552
cue the confetti! (not to give him any credit -- at all -- but given how self-righteous he is, I am slightly surprised.)
View: https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1586887417142935552
cue the confetti! (not to give him any credit -- at all -- but given how self-righteous he is, I am slightly surprised.)
He must've been feeling some real heat from Tsai, corporate sponsors, the league, etc. Social media has both intellectually and morally dumbed us down so much, pulling the tweet will basically be treated as tantamount to absolution, all better now, and this probably dies quickly. I doubt he faces any real consequences for posting that sewage in the first place. Unless he's crazy and stupid enough to keep doubling down on it in other ways going forward. Which is certainly not out of the question in his case.
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Is the media going to keep asking about it? I assume they will, and - in the moment- I don't see him backing down. I'm sure it took a lot of people pushing hard to get him to even take down the post, I don't think he's going to be able to resist "fighting for his cause" when directly confronted..
I think if the question is "is Kyrie crazy and stupid enough" the answers is always "yes".
You're probably right that he can't help himself and will keep digging the hole. I was reacting to the current general climate, where pulling an offensive tweet seems to often be a get out of jail free card. As for the media continuing to press him, I'm skeptical. It probably has another news cycle or two left, but if he somehow does let it die, they'll get bored and move on to the next thing. And he doesn't, I don't think, have the larger cultural impact and importance to keep this alive, ala Ye.
