Well, I know SI discussed it in a podcast, but didn't seem to think Boston was a match because they are waiting for AD.
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The problem with waiting on AD is that Ainge is essentially waiting for Demps to get fired as he's widely considered to have his job all-in based on a Brow/Boogie/Jrue squad.
On the basis of what? Because we won’t have one of Rozier or Smart next year?
Mannix usually isn’t that dim.
I couldn’t bring myself to look.
It’s always possible that was a click bait headline.
It wasn't just a click bait headline. It was an idiotic article. He compares Irving's knee to IT's hip. Also this awesome paragraph that ignores the Kings and Grizzlies picks.
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/latest-kyrie-irving-surgery-casts-doubt-new-celtics-era-even-started-221245455.html
At least Dr Mannix got it right the knee bone is connected to the hip bone.
no no no, if his knee is permanently busted, the contention window is over. But if it's fine, then we're good to compete. Or it could be somewhere in the middle. I hope that narrows it down for you.
For a slightly more balanced view of the C's new fortunes with the Irving news, I present the Ringer's Kevin O'Connor. I know he would never slum it in this forum since his boss left us over some latte jokes (jk Sprtsguy33) but good on ya Kevin!
2011-2017 Kawhi was one of my favorite non-Celtics, maybe #1. But 2018 Kawhi has completed punked out. My Spurs fan friends are all but done with the guy.
I think the Spurs and Celtics match up pretty well for a trade. Spurs would ask for Tatum and we would laugh at them. Then, they’d ask for Rozier/Brown and maybe a pick. And that’s where I’d give it some real thought.
But I love me some Jaylen so not sure I even do that given Kawhi’s injury concerns.
I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to seeing how far Tatum-Rozier-Brown can carry the 2018 Celtics. Terry turned 24 in March, and he's the Old Man of the C's.
And Methuselah Horford too, I forgot about him.
And Methuselah Horford too, I forgot about him.
Its...its like I don't even know you anymore (in the posting sense).
Seriously though, I love Jaylen Brown like a sugar-addicted kid loves cake (its 2018 and body shaming is so early aughts). However if Leonard is truly healthy and the cost is Brown/and an about to go to FA Rozier, some salary ballast (not easy for the C's btw) and a pick...yeah, I am pulling the trigger. A starting five of Horford, Tatum, Hayward, Irving and Leonard is just lethal. Leonard is signed through '19-20 so you are really trading away one more year of Brown on his rookie deal - and he is almost certainly going to be a max player too.
Theoretically he is, but Leonards last year is a player option that's never going to be picked up. Still probably worth it if that's the cost, plus Morris and Yabu or filler to make salaries balance, because that starting 5 runs away with the east if healthy even if Lebron stays.
I just don’t trust Kawhi’s quad at all. How do you miss a whole season with that injury? And it’s a recurring problem for him. I could certainly see the upside with that lineup but I could also see Kawhi missing a crap ton of games during what should be his prime seasons.
The season that never was for the Celtics
https://www.celticsblog.com/2018/4/5/17204696/the-season-that-never-was-for-the-boston-celtics-kyrie-irving-gordon-hayward
https://www.celticsblog.com/2018/4/5/17204696/the-season-that-never-was-for-the-boston-celtics-kyrie-irving-gordon-hayward
Brian Robb with a good piece in BSJ (subs. only) about how taking care of this now as opposed to the middle of next year could be a blessing in disguise. Also, this bit of perspective regarding the trade with Cleveland:
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/04/05/robb-irving-surgery-hurts-short-term-hidden-blessing-2019-chances/
Why do I recall it being SJH?
Fun guy to have around the boards and he gave us inside info on yet to be completed deals days prior to completion on the board that we created with him at the now CelticsNuts but he did same thing there......it's like wtf dude this is YOUR own board you're running away from and quitting instead of simply warning/banning the perpetrator.
Meh, he's got bigger fish to fry and good for him along with all the success he's had. I'm happy for him.
It was SJH. I can't remember what he said, but SJH gave him a bit of tough time and Simmons scrammed.
It was something baseball related. It's got to be archived somewhere.
It was about Edgar Renteria, if I recall correctly. And, if anything, SJH was a pretty big jerk about it.
JohnMD20 with the memory award. It was about Renteria: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/bill-simmons-good-luck-with-your-life.509/page-8#post-372672
IIRC, Simmons said that Renteria was a bad FA signing because he "wasn't afraid" of Renteria during the preceding WS, and SJH said that was not a terribly useful "metric" to judge FA signings. Simmons then felt that SJH was going out of his way to be a dick to him because he was BSG33.
Simmons being right was pretty ironic. 
Back on topic, do you know what the most insane thing about next year's team will be, with Irving and Hayward healthy and Tatum and Brown being thrown into the playoff fire this year? Al Horford is going to be, offensively, the other guy on the floor.
Back on topic, do you know what the most insane thing about next year's team will be, with Irving and Hayward healthy and Tatum and Brown being thrown into the playoff fire this year? Al Horford is going to be, offensively, the other guy on the floor.
I love SJH, but Simmons was scored off by mom jeans....thin skinned much?
Not sure I agree with this but it's been hashed out more times than I think we would all care for.
If BS was saying the "he didn't scare me" line after the fact, then you're right. I just meant if BS had actually said this before the signing it would have been dumb "analysis" but correct in the end.
IIRC BSG33 criticism was leveled at the time of signing, not after it occurred.
The point that people disagree with is that the Renteria signing - 4/$40MM (wow, that seems quaint now) - by most measures was a pretty good signing at the time. Granted he made 30 errors and did not hit as well as people expected in his one season in Boston, but he did accumulate positive WAR. And then he accumulated over the next 3 years over 9 WAR.
By most objective measures, the Renteria signing was a good decision. Maybe by some subjective experience it didn't work out - and perhaps the Red Sox brass panicked by trading him - but it's hard for me to cast dispersion on the original decision.
Anyways, enough about Simmons. Here's 538's article on the impact on Kyrie's absence, though strangely it talks more about Smart than it does about Rozier: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-losing-kyrie-irving-affects-the-celtics-playoff-run/
If you count what he did over the life of the contract then the contract itself wasn't bad. It's mainly that the dude couldn't hack it in Boston (not all that different from Crawford) and the Sox didn't get the good years after 2005. I didn't necessarily disagree with their approach to the signing. It was really weird, he just looked old and slow in that one year in Boston. Maybe he was just hurt all year.
If the Sox made a bad decision with Renteria is was not doing their proper due diligence around medicals when they signed him. Back in those days I had a friend who worked for the team who said Renteria was plagued by a bad back his entire time with the Sox. He used to tell us stories of how he couldn't even stand up in the shower after games*.
*No idea if this was relayed or if my buddy watched Edgar shower.
*No idea if this was relayed or if my buddy watched Edgar shower.
I'm pretty sure he already is that guy. Personally, I wish he'd be more selfish with the ball, and take more shots (particularly, more open 15-18 footers), but he's so unselfish that he's almost not a scoring threat. At least not in the last couple months.Simmons being right was pretty ironic.
Back on topic, do you know what the most insane thing about next year's team will be, with Irving and Hayward healthy and Tatum and Brown being thrown into the playoff fire this year? Al Horford is going to be, offensively, the other guy on the floor.
IIRC, beyond whatever happened on the board (before my time), Simmons was big on the whole “Why not keep OCab” train, and a lot of it was the “they have fun” fancy handshakes types explanation, but I actually bought it and still do in this situation—OCab and the Happy Dominican Crew (read: Manny) was a great combo whose sum was greater than the parts.
I do get a lot of the criticism he got over mojo type shit over hard analytics, but that may well have been a textbook example of a guy who loved being in boston replaced by a guy who hated it, and which affected overall team performance.
That said, as I said, before my time here.
I do get a lot of the criticism he got over mojo type shit over hard analytics, but that may well have been a textbook example of a guy who loved being in boston replaced by a guy who hated it, and which affected overall team performance.
That said, as I said, before my time here.
Yeah, and considering they were net an extra draft pick (losing #26 and adding #23 Ellsbury and Lowrie), and replace Cabrera with someone who at worst was a substitute, and at best a big upgrade, the move was a huge no-brainer. That's even before factoring the off-field stuff, and in hindsight dumping Renteria for Cabrera was pretty much a wash at SS, but a huge net for the organization long-term (even accounting for Lugo).
Of course, that was also the height of the "scouting vs. analytics" debate, where everyone was on either one side or the other, and the divisions between the two were pretty acrimonious. It took BSG an awful long time to come around to anything like OPS+ or win shares; at the time Renteria was traded, handshakes and team chemistry and eye tests and "do they scare me" were the entirety of BSG's analysis about any baseball player. He might have been right that Renteria was a bad signing, but his baseball analysis was generally pretty facile, and that would have gotten anyone called out on this board in 2005.
It's funny to me that this "Scouting vs. Analytics border war" era from 15 years ago is where Nick Cafardo resides today.
Its funny to me how SJH's online bullying essentially created a media empire for Simmons. And as a side note, Sprtsguy33 was on the ledge here before SJH shamed him away because of the afore-referenced Starbucks incident where Simmons admitted to going for lattes during a Sox playoff game - he got a ton of shit for that and it seemed to really bother him.
Back on topic, there have been a number of references in other threads about Kyrie's health and the risk that this "setback" is something bigger. However, per DRS upthread, he should be just fine. That said, I think a number of us are going to be nervous until we see him back breaking ankles that aren't his own.
Back on topic, there have been a number of references in other threads about Kyrie's health and the risk that this "setback" is something bigger. However, per DRS upthread, he should be just fine. That said, I think a number of us are going to be nervous until we see him back breaking ankles that aren't his own.
This is how you know Red Sox fans are the real deal. I remember being in Newport (back from fl visiting) listening to pregame chatter about the upcoming Pats SB and someone calling EEI pretending they wanted to talk Pats to quickly change course and start going off on the guest ( forgot who) over something they had written about Nomar.