Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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Playing victim. This is being thrown on him. He was never told going into the season that this was going to happen. He didn’t know this was how things were going to play out. People are telling him what to do and how he feels. People are saying things about him with respect to his teammates and team.

Victim, victim, victim.

Sounds familiar.
 

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I find it hard to believe that there's a team with sufficient cap room and confidence in their coaching staff's ability to handle a malcontent to trade for him, but you know the NBA better than I do.
Well I still ask that question of who says no to Simmons-for-Kyrie and I’m not buying that the answer is Durant. I don’t believe that for one second post-NYC mandate. I supppse maybe Philly says no bc they would be making the Nets a much more complete and balanced team but who can they get better than Kyrie for Simmons?

Edit: This is assuming Simmons agrees to be vaccinated.
 

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Well I still ask that question of who says no to Simmons-for-Kyrie and I’m not buying that the answer is Durant. I don’t believe that for one second post-NYC mandate. I supppse maybe Philly says no bc they would be making the Nets a much more complete and balanced team but who can they get better than Kyrie for Simmons?

Edit: This is assuming Simmons agrees to be vaccinated.
The problem is that if Kyrie won't extend with them, you're taking on a guy who's one of the biggest flight risks in the league. They can't justify Simmons for a year of Kyrie after seeing what Kyrie's verbal assurances are worth (if he'd even give them).
 

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Playing victim. This is being thrown on him. He was never told going into the season that this was going to happen. He didn’t know this was how things were going to play out. People are telling him what to do and how he feels. People are saying things about him with respect to his teammates and team.

Victim, victim, victim.

Sounds familiar.
Throw in a large pile of selfish & immature, and the meal is complete. From the Shams tweet:
Everybody is entitled to do what they feel is what’s best for themselves.
No regard for either the idea that he's also "entitled" to the consequences of his decision, or that his "entitlement" ends when he inflicts consequences on others.
 

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The problem is that if Kyrie won't extend with them, you're taking on a guy who's one of the biggest flight risks in the league. They can't justify Simmons for a year of Kyrie after seeing what Kyrie's verbal assurances are worth (if he'd even give them).
I don't know. Toronto sold out for a yeah of Kawhi, and it worked out ok.

Given Simmons' damaged packaging, getting a year of Kyrie might not be a bad return.

And while I agree that it's the smart play from Brooklyn's POV, that doesn't mean that Durant wouldn't kill it though. Who knows what's in his head. Is he sick of Kyrie's shit? If not, does he flex here because he can?
 

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I don't know. Toronto sold out for a yeah of Kawhi, and it worked out ok.

Given Simmons' damaged packaging, getting a year of Kyrie might not be a bad return.

And while I agree that it's the smart play from Brooklyn's POV, that doesn't mean that Durant wouldn't kill it though. Who knows what's in his head. Is he sick of Kyrie's shit? If not, does he flex here because he can?
Go back and check out my posts regarding KD on the last page. On Monday, Woj reported that the Nets front office, along with Harden and Durant, would make a "group" decision on Kyrie. The following day, the Nets announced that Kyrie couldn't play for them unless he could play full time, home and away.

No reason to believe, at this point, that KD isn't on the "Fuck Kyrie" bandwagon.
 

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Go back and check out my posts regarding KD on the last page. On Monday, Woj reported that the Nets front office, along with Harden and Durant, would make a "group" decision on Kyrie. The following day, the Nets announced that Kyrie couldn't play for them unless he could play full time, home and away.

No reason to believe, at this point, that KD isn't on the "Fuck Kyrie" bandwagon.
Yeah you could be right. Could also be that it was a concession on KDs part to allow the org to up the pressure on Irving, in the hopes that Kyrie sucks it up and gets a shot. Doesn't mean necessarily that he'd sign off on a trade.

You can be pissed at someone without wanting them gone.
 

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For one year of a guy who took the season before off? I disagree.

Looks like a no-brainer in retrospect, since Kawhi's leg was fine and since Toronto won it all.
They already wanted out of Derozan's contract, so when you consider that they already considered that a negative asset they gave up very little.
 

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Given the circus Kyrie brings to town (and the locker room) I’m not sure how many teams even see him as a net positive asset at this point. Sure he’s a talented player but his availability is very questionable, he has poisoned relationships on multiple teams, and he may just not show up.

How many teams even want him for free, much less giving up any assets? Maybe a deal based around picks conditioned on games played?
 

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Given the circus Kyrie brings to town (and the locker room) I’m not sure how many teams even see him as a net positive asset at this point. Sure he’s a talented player but his availability is very questionable, he has poisoned relationships on multiple teams, and he may just not show up.

How many teams even want him for free, much less giving up any assets? Maybe a deal based around picks conditioned on games played?
Are you writing about Kyrie Irving or Reggie Jackson?
 

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Some kind of Wall-Kyrie-Simmons three way would be insane.
As much Houston would like to trade Wall for Simmons, I don't see it being realistic. On the other hand, Simmons to Toronto, Siakam to Brooklyn, Irving/picks to Philly seems possible. (Though I'd somehow want the picks to come from Boston and Scottie Barnes to end up here.)
 

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As much Houston would like to trade Wall for Simmons, I don't see it being realistic. On the other hand, Simmons to Toronto, Siakam to Brooklyn, Irving/picks to Philly seems possible. (Though I'd somehow want the picks to come from Boston and Scottie Barnes to end up here.)
I don’t think Toronto does that, but your scenario is a lot more plausible than most hypothetical three-way trades.
 

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As much Houston would like to trade Wall for Simmons, I don't see it being realistic. On the other hand, Simmons to Toronto, Siakam to Brooklyn, Irving/picks to Philly seems possible. (Though I'd somehow want the picks to come from Boston and Scottie Barnes to end up here.)
Side note, holy shit were you right about Barnes. Kid is a stud.
 

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Shams apparently carrying water for Team Kyrie:

There is renewed optimism around Irving returning to the Nets this season, sources with knowledge of the situation tell The Athletic.

It remains unclear whether Irving’s potential return this season would come via vaccination to meet New York City’s COVID-19 vaccine requirement or by Brooklyn opening the door for him to play road games and practice at home, but sources have indicated a renewed belief that Irving could play this season after all. Nets players and coaches want to have Irving rejoin the team as soon as possible. In recent weeks, Irving and Kevin Durant, his co-star and close friend, have had increased communication about his fit on the team, breaking down the games, and about life in general, sources added. There appears to be an increased level of enthusiasm between the two superstars.

There had been serious doubts about Irving’s playing status this season, barring New York City mayor-elect Eric Adams changing the COVID-19 vaccine mandates. Multiple City Hall officials, both current and incoming, have told The Athletic there are no plans to lift the requirement, which currently requires residents to have at least one vaccine shot to enter indoor gyms such as Barclays Center.

“We just focus on our group and getting better every single day and if we get the gift of (Irving’s) return, we’ll be ecstatic but we can’t count on it,” Nets coach Steve Nash said last week. “We can’t wait for him. We have to get to work and get better.”

https://theathletic.com/3011544/2021/12/13/optimism-for-a-kyrie-irving-return-the-latest-on-ben-simmons-trade-talks-and-more-nba-news-and-notes-inside-pass/?source=user_shared_article

He goes on to say the team hasn’t engaged anyone on trade talks.

God, I fucking hate this guy …
 

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The solution of COVID being a problem with going through NBA rosters is to bring back Mr. Anti-Vax. What a world.
 

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My schadenfreude will be maximized if the Nets play Toronto (and lose) in the 1st round of the playoffs. Kyrie would be unable to play both home and away games.
 

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Unvaxxed have been getting their way this whole pandemic. All we do is appease and baby them, why would this situation be any different?
 

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I don't understand the tweet saying the outbreak is coming from the unvaccinated, is that referring to something specific or more just the general idea that unvaccinated folks have kept covid alive?
 

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I truly hope he gets covid and makes the whole team sick and frankly I don’t think this is a controversial viewpoint.
 

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I truly hope he gets covid and makes the whole team sick and frankly I don’t think this is a controversial viewpoint.
Covid is blowing through both the vaccinated and unvaccinated population everywhere not only in the NBA. The whole team either has it or likely will get it from vaccinated players anyway. What difference does it make now if he’s vaccinated or not to his teammates? The last question is a serious one if anyone can educate me on it.
 

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Covid is blowing through both the vaccinated and unvaccinated population everywhere not only in the NBA. The whole team either has it or likely will get it from vaccinated players anyway. What difference does it make now if he’s vaccinated or not to his teammates? The last question is a serious one if anyone can educate me on it.
Ok. So the fact that vaccinated people are far less likely to spread the virus, or become hospitalized, is something you apparently missed?

Edit: Apparently you are opposed to reading, learning, and basically being a decent fucking person.

Edit 2: I'm dealing with 3 deaths in the last three weeks and I fucking hate people.
 
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"What difference does it make if he's vaccinated now to his teammates?"

Holy fuck. You are really this dumb.
Vaccinated are still far less likely? That seems like old news based on the most recent studies and is what’s happening in many households here, including homes in my family, as well as NBA/NFL locker rooms.
 

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"What difference does it make if he's vaccinated now to his teammates?"

Holy fuck. You are really this dumb.
In fairness, that's probably the sanest question in the post. The difference it likely makes to his teammates is that they have a really good basketball player at their disposal for road games, which increases their chances of winning, a net plus in their eyes.

The NBA is an amoral institution designed to maximize revenue. No one should be surprised that any particular team or the league in general would condone the Nets' move. It will come at no cost to their balance sheets.
 

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Covid is blowing through both the vaccinated and unvaccinated population everywhere not only in the NBA. The whole team either has it or likely will get it from vaccinated players anyway. What difference does it make now if he’s vaccinated or not to his teammates? The last question is a serious one if anyone can educate me on it.

Your going to get a lot of pushback but I get what you’re saying from the Nets POV, “we were keeping Kyrie out of here so we don’t get covid and we all got covid anyway? Fuck this, bring him back”
 

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Isn't Kyrie like the only non vaxxed player in the league? Maybe he isn't but I can't think of any others, and him not being around hasn't exactly done much to stop the spread from hitting pretty much every team lately.