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How do you fit Kyrie and Durant alongside AD and Lebron? Seems impossible, but I am not good at the NBA cap, and these two goof balls are pretty much attached at the hip, so I'd imagine whatever team acquires one is doing so with the understanding that they would be taking on both of them.
If pickl can't do it, nobody can.

I don't think that it's possible.
 

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How do you fit Kyrie and Durant alongside AD and Lebron? Seems impossible, but I am not good at the NBA cap, and these two goof balls are pretty much attached at the hip, so I'd imagine whatever team acquires one is doing so with the understanding that they would be taking on both of them.
No, the dream is Irving for Westbrook. Because then you have the Demon Kyzuzu reunited with LeBron and KD stuck with Westbrook, thus blowing up both clubhouses.
 

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No, the dream is Irving for Westbrook. Because then you have the Demon Kyzuzu reunited with LeBron and KD stuck with Westbrook, thus blowing up both clubhouses.
Definitely let that coast right over my head. A dream indeed!
 

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The dream, of course, is a sign & trade with the Lakers for Westbrook and future LA picks.
Kyrie for Russ is kind of the ultimate lose-lose trade, and the funny thing i could see it happening as also could kinda be seen as the best option available for both teams I mean, I think the Lakers would do it for sure as they have no better options for an RW dump and Kryie is a much superior player -- just have to shut eyes to reality and pretend he'll be semi-normal. And if I squint I could see an argument that the Nets play exactly the sort of non-Center focused ball that would maximize Russ' skills and would make them amenable. Russ does show up, anyway. Not that I think it'd happen, there must be better options for Brooklyn, but it's conceivable....and would be hilariously bad on all fronts.
 

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“I don’t really plan on going anywhere,” Irving said on April 25 after the Nets’ season-ending sweep to the Celtics in the first round of the East playoffs.
Nearly two months later, it appears both sides have serious work to do in order to find a resolution that brings Irving back to Brooklyn and his co-star in Durant, who is under contract with the Nets through 2025-26. Several teams across the league have kept tabs on the situation, wondering about the future of Irving and Brooklyn.
The Lakers, Knicks and Clippers are expected to be among the interested suitors if Irving heads elsewhere, multiple sources tell The Athletic.
Kyrie and Lebron reuniting in LA would be incredible
 

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Clippers would need to find a way to jettison around $16-20M in salary above and beyond what they send out to acquire Kyrie. It's feasible, as they have a lot of random pieces and parts in Powell, Kennard, Marcus Morris, Covington, and Mr. October. Any of those pieces intriguing enough for Stevens to become part of a 3-way?

Not convinced the Nets would be interested in Westbrook, but sometimes NBA GM's work in mysterious and unexplainable ways.

Somehow, Kyrie on a cap crippling contract for his decline years and the Knicks seem like a perfect match. Can't explain why, but it just does.
 

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Clippers would be so interesting with all that freakin talent. Some already have them as next years early favorite with George and Kawhi presumably healthy.
How does it work for them? A sign-and-trade with Powell and Morris going the other way?

That would leave Durant with close to the worst team he's played on since the Sonics.
 

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How does it work for them? A sign-and-trade with Powell and Morris going the other way?

That would leave Durant with close to the worst team he's played on since the Sonics.
Except that the Nets pick up Horford and White in the 3-way that sends Durant to Boston /jk
 

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How does it work for them? A sign-and-trade with Powell and Morris going the other way?

That would leave Durant with close to the worst team he's played on since the Sonics.
Obviously Reggie Jackson would be the key piece going to Brooklyn. Throw in Kennard and/or Covington or one of the ones you mentioned? Jackson and one of them would be a fair return for Kyrie at this stage imo.
 

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Obviously Reggie Jackson would be the key piece going to Brooklyn. Throw in Kennard and/or Covington or one of the ones you mentioned? Jackson and one of them would be a fair return for Kyrie at this stage imo.
I mean, sure. It would still leave my hypothetical unchanged! I wouldn’t mind grabbing one of those role players if the Nets did this, however.
 

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I mean, sure. It would still leave my hypothetical unchanged! I wouldn’t mind grabbing one of those role players if the Nets did this, however.
The other thing a Kyrie to LA deal could do is make the Clippers unwilling to pay Batum who just declined his option and is now a FA. Supposedly this is only a way to extend with LA but who knows maybe they have other ideas if they are spending more money. Batum would look good in our MLE too.
 

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Assuming this news story comes from Kyrie Iriving, as any Nets-sourced news would come through Woj, I think this is leaked to pressure a trade right away.

As the article mentions, all the likely Kyrie destinations couldn’t be done as a sign-and-trade due to the hard cap. Therefore, Kyrie would have to opt-in before July 1 to be traded after July 1. However, once Kyrie opts in, any leverage he has is gone.

I think Irving realizes that no cap space team is a good fit for him and he is scrambling for the Nets to work out a trade before he opts in. (The Knicks, as Shams notes, have a somewhat realistic path to cap space, but it involves dumping some toxic contracts including the 2021 Celtics starting backcourt.)
 

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Assuming this news story comes from Kyrie Iriving, as any Nets-sourced news would come through Woj, I think this is leaked to pressure a trade right away.

As the article mentions, all the likely Kyrie destinations couldn’t be done as a sign-and-trade due to the hard cap. Therefore, Kyrie would have to opt-in before July 1 to be traded after July 1. However, once Kyrie opts in, any leverage he has is gone.

I think Irving realizes that no cap space team is a good fit for him and he is scrambling for the Nets to work out a trade before he opts in. (The Knicks, as Shams notes, have a somewhat realistic path to cap space, but it involves dumping some toxic contracts including the 2021 Celtics starting backcourt.)
If he opts in, does it trigger the "can't be traded by X date" stuff that happened with Smart? Forgive my ignorance
 

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Obviously Reggie Jackson would be the key piece going to Brooklyn. Throw in Kennard and/or Covington or one of the ones you mentioned? Jackson and one of them would be a fair return for Kyrie at this stage imo.
Sounds stupid but PG would have to be ok with Reggie leaving. They're really good friends, so id take the clipps off the table for Kyrie destinations. They seem content to run this back and shove a horseshoe up their asses that KL is healthy next season
 

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Sounds stupid but PG would have to be ok with Reggie leaving. They're really good friends, so id take the clipps off the table for Kyrie destinations. They seem content to run this back and shove a horseshoe up their asses that KL is healthy next season
I’m only copying what Shams is reporting on the Clippers have interest. At this stage of Kyrie’s career he is a high volatility acquisition for a contender.
 

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Knicks don't have an easy path to adding Kyrie with their cap situation and he's probably the only superstar in the league they wouldn't want. Just seems so much more likely he stays with Brooklyn or they sign and trade him out of NY.
 

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Yup. I think that they have a path to clearing space but assuming that happens then they still need to convince Kyrie and also pull a magic trick selling Randle as both a star and a fit for the Nets (does he even fit there with Simmons?)
 

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Just heard Kyrie posted some pictures from "The Wire" on Twitter

Any chance that the Wizards/Nets swap Beal for Kyrie? maybe a 3rd team gets involved

I realize The Wire was in Baltimore but trying to piece together Kyrie's musings takes some weird gymnastics
 

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Knicks don't have an easy path to adding Kyrie with their cap situation and he's probably the only superstar in the league they wouldn't want. Just seems so much more likely he stays with Brooklyn or they sign and trade him out of NY.
Curious as to why you’d feel the Knicks wouldn’t want Kyrie unless that dumb mandate where he wouldn’t be able to play in NY home games is still in place. He fits the profile of stars the Knicks under Dolan have historically acquired……late 20’s, highly paid, come with baggage while being a hometown guy is a bonus. We’ve seen countless guys in this mold be courted by the Knicks only to end up in NY. Amare, Carmelo, Curry, Steve Francis, Marbury……the list goes on and on. It’s always been about the back page for the Knicks
 

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Just heard Kyrie posted some pictures from "The Wire" on Twitter

Any chance that the Wizards/Nets swap Beal for Kyrie? maybe a 3rd team gets involved

I realize The Wire was in Baltimore but trying to piece together Kyrie's musings takes some weird gymnastics
It’s a gif of Brother Mouzone. Without going on a Wire rant, it is not related to the Wizards in any way.

He is loving this shit right now. Some people live for chaos.
 

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Curious as to why you’d feel the Knicks wouldn’t want Kyrie unless that dumb mandate where he wouldn’t be able to play in NY home games is still in place. He fits the profile of stars the Knicks under Dolan have historically acquired……late 20’s, highly paid, come with baggage while being a hometown guy is a bonus. We’ve seen countless guys in this mold be courted by the Knicks only to end up in NY. Amare, Carmelo, Curry, Steve Francis, Marbury……the list goes on and on. It’s always been about the back page for the Knicks
No, it's not in place, and putting aside the "dumb mandate" opinion, are you really asking why a team might be apprehensive to add Kyrie to a very young and inexperienced team? He is going to be in the headlines more than Arod.
 

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No, it's not in place, and putting aside the "dumb mandate" opinion, are you really asking why a team might be apprehensive to add Kyrie to a very young and inexperienced team? He is going to be in the headlines more than Arod.
You’re missing the point. That’s is what Dolan has historically sought……big name players to be in the headlines.

Glad that the ridiculously dumb mandate is over thought so now NY unvaccinated players have the same right to earn a living as visiting unvaccinated players.
 

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You’re missing the point. That’s is what Dolan has historically sought……big name players to be in the headlines.

Glad that the ridiculously dumb mandate is over thought so now NY unvaccinated players have the same right to earn a living as visiting unvaccinated players.
I feel like you're trying to defend Kyrie by attempting to make the vaccine issue the cause for why he is a controversial and headline grabbing player. You're a Boston fan, right? Do you want him back if another player of equal or slightly lesser talent was available?
 

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Rights, yep yep.

Kyrie’s been singing the can’t play home games blues /harmonica Injustices to millionaire players gettin me down /harmonica

Getting back to the Knicks, when is the last time they made a play for the back page anyways?
 

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You’re missing the point. That’s is what Dolan has historically sought……big name players to be in the headlines.

Glad that the ridiculously dumb mandate is over thought so now NY unvaccinated players have the same right to earn a living as visiting unvaccinated players.
This certainly is a take.

You’re the same guy who regurgitated a bunch of bullshit about the vaccine causing heart conditions in minority professional athletes, including Eduardo Rodriguez, right? Nice to stay true to type.
 
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Clippers would be so interesting with all that freakin talent. Some already have them as next years early favorite with George and Kawhi presumably healthy.
I hear that they’ve lined up Bigfoot to play center and Nessie’s going to be coaching.
 

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Yup. I think that they have a path to clearing space but assuming that happens then they still need to convince Kyrie and also pull a magic trick selling Randle as both a star and a fit for the Nets (does he even fit there with Simmons?)
Kyrie simultaneously blowing up the Knicks and Nets promises me the most comedy. So I’m rooting for the Knicks to land him.
 

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This certainly is a take.

You’re the same guy who regurgitated a bunch of bullshit about the vaccine causing heart conditions in minority professional athletes, including Eduardo Rodriguez, right? Nice to stay true to type.
Thinking that it's ridiculous to have different rules for visiting and home players is far different from any sort of anti vaccine misinformation.
 

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I feel like you're trying to defend Kyrie by attempting to make the vaccine issue the cause for why he is a controversial and headline grabbing player. You're a Boston fan, right? Do you want him back if another player of equal or slightly lesser talent was available?
You feel wrong. I’m not defending Kyrie at all I’m only pointing out why Dolan would be interested in him on the Knicks and showed a historical pattern of similar type players who ended up in NY. He’s controversial bc he chooses to make himself controversial and no I wouldn’t want him here for free.
 

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This certainly is a take.

You’re the same guy who regurgitated a bunch of bullshit about the vaccine causing heart conditions in minority professional athletes, including Eduardo Rodriguez, right? Nice to stay true to type.
Yup that was me before a lot of stuff was known and some things were misunderstood by me. Not sure what it has to do with discriminating a player bc he’s signed to a contract with a team in NY so he can’t play there but others can come into town and earn their pay. You think this was right? It’s not about Kyrie it’s about a mandate being as nonsensical as forcing coaches to wear chin straps.
 

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Thinking that it's ridiculous to have different rules for visiting and home players is far different from any sort of anti vaccine misinformation.
Except for the fact that it's been explained here many times how it makes sense from a public health policy standpoint, and they just never bothered to make a carve out in the law for super-rare millionaire travelling athletes who choose not to be vaccinated. Continuing to pick on it while ignoring that context seems weird to me, especially in defense of...Kyrie? (he's the only one who let it affect him and his team)
 

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Yup that was me before a lot of stuff was known and some things were misunderstood by me. Not sure what it has to do with discriminating a player bc he’s signed to a contract with a team in NY so he can’t play there but others can come into town and earn their pay. You think this was right? It’s not about Kyrie it’s about a mandate being as nonsensical as forcing coaches to wear chin straps.
I never understood your beef with this either, to be frank.

The New York policy was designed to get people vaccinated, all people. But if you worked in New York and had the potential to infect your coworkers and customers, you were a far bigger threat than some guy who swoops in once to put on a rock concert or play a game. An unvaccinated Lebron James playing 2-4 games in New York City (Nets and Knicks) is less of a Typhoid Mary than an unvaccinated Kyrie Irving playing 45 games. If anything, it was a concession to the hospitality industry not to require all participants to vaccinate before performing. They really should have insisted on that, but they were trying to do those business a solid.
 

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Yup that was me before a lot of stuff was known and some things were misunderstood by me. Not sure what it has to do with discriminating a player bc he’s signed to a contract with a team in NY so he can’t play there but others can come into town and earn their pay. You think this was right? It’s not about Kyrie it’s about a mandate being as nonsensical as forcing coaches to wear chin straps.
No, everything you claimed was both absolutely known at the time and false. None of it was unknown. You were engaged in outcome motivated reasoning (to the point of misrepresenting that a Red Sox pitcher got myocarditis from the vaccine—when he actually got it from COVID—and invoking the collapse of a soccer player—who wasn’t even vaccinated) as you are here, especially with your half-assed analogy.

And I take issue with you framing the mandate as an attack on a basketball player’s “ability to earn a living,”—you know, the part that I bolded—but I know that you’re completely, utterly divorced from reality on the issue, so I’m also not at all surprised.

What do you think was the reason for the differential treatment? Dislike for the home team?
 

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No, everything you claimed was both absolutely known at the time and false. None of it was unknown. You were engaged in outcome motivated reasoning (to the point of misrepresenting that a Red Sox pitcher got myocarditis from the vaccine—when he actually got it from COVID—and invoking the collapse of a soccer player—who wasn’t even vaccinated) as you are here, especially with your half-assed analogy.

And I take issue with you framing the mandate as an attack on a basketball player’s “ability to earn a living,”—you know, the part that I bolded—but I know that you’re completely, utterly divorced from reality on the issue, so I’m also not at all surprised.

What do you think was the reason for the differential treatment? Dislike for the home team?
So I say “misunderstood by me” as an admission that I was not up to date on what was known at the time……yet you still took the time to attack me in this post. Instead of asking me so you can play your little game why don’t you educate everyone why an unvaccinated Nets player can’t work in NY but an unvaccinated Pistons player can. I’ll sit with my popcorn and wait. LOL GJGE.
 

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So I say “misunderstood by me” as an admission that I was not up to date on what was known at the time……yet you still took the time to attack me in this post. Instead of asking me so you can play your little game why don’t you educate everyone why an unvaccinated Nets player can’t work in NY but an unvaccinated Pistons player can. I’ll sit with my popcorn and wait. LOL GJGE.
Besides the fact that "misunderstood to me" and "not up to date" are not equivalent statements at all: "didn't do my research and blithely and irresponsibly shared misinformation" would be more correct, The bolded was already addressed by Jimbodandy. Not that I should have to pull the quote for you since it was only a couple posts above the one I've quoted above, but in the interest of being charitable:

I never understood your beef with this either, to be frank.

The New York policy was designed to get people vaccinated, all people. But if you worked in New York and had the potential to infect your coworkers and customers, you were a far bigger threat than some guy who swoops in once to put on a rock concert or play a game. An unvaccinated Lebron James playing 2-4 games in New York City (Nets and Knicks) is less of a Typhoid Mary than an unvaccinated Kyrie Irving playing 45 games. If anything, it was a concession to the hospitality industry not to require all participants to vaccinate before performing. They really should have insisted on that, but they were trying to do those business a solid.
If you don't find that persuasive, I'd like to hear why. I'm not going to get popcorn. It's 9:30 in the morning.

The point, regardless, is that it would have been easy for Kyrie to just get vaccinated, but he chose to make a martyr out of himself. He has repeatedly taken his ball and gone home throughout his career. He's a toxic person -- narcissistic, prone to turn on people, eager to blame others, and often injured. He's a bad fit almost anywhere.
 

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why an unvaccinated Nets player can’t work in NY but an unvaccinated Pistons player can. I’ll sit with my popcorn and wait. LOL GJGE.
That's akin to asking why a security guard at Barclay's center had to be vaccinated but a bodyguard to a performer like J.Cole wouldn't have to be vaccinated.

Again: there is a public policy decision that NYC rules should apply primarily to those who have regular workplaces in NYC. Coming in for a limited concert is reasonably not considered a "regular workplace."

Second: NYC didn't want performers to cancel. THis is another public policy reason why performers and those who accompany them were exempted.

Third: there is a practical reason. Checking the vaccination status of someone who works regularly in NYC is simple. Checking vaccination status of every person who accompanies a performer when they are in town for a limited amount of time is more difficult and likely not worth the trade-offs, particularly since there would be (one would think) a limited opportunity for them to infect others.

Besides, your points are simply arguing that the mandate should have been expanded. Sure, in a perfect world, maybe cities with vaccine mandates should have extended them to performers. In our imperfect world, and given the political climate, cities enacted rules that covered the vast majority of workers in their jurisdictions with a limited amount push-back.

The policy makes perfect sense. The only reason people push back is because they don't want to see any mandate at all, which IMO would have been a much worse result than the few "anomalies" that presented themselves.