You didn't think Irving guarding Antetokounmpo in the playoffs three years ago was out-of-the-box tactical brilliance?
Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?
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Kyrie being back is mostly good. He can't help but stain himself, his team and all of his progeny. It's only a matter of time before he provides extreme unintentional comedy and such.
The way I look at it, Harden didn’t quit on the nets, Kyrie did. Harden quit on Kyrie’s narcisstic bullshit. Mr Chemistry strikes again. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/james-harden-looked-at-kyrie-irving-like-he-had-three-heads-as-he-burned-sage-in-cleveland-per-report/amp/
I mean Harden definitely quit on them.... but wanting to leave is very understandable. If he had just played with effort buy also told the team "zero chance I am back here next year, please trade me now since it's better for both of us" I'd have applauded him.
I’m not really serious - of course he quit on the Nets. But I do think Kyrie’s nonsense was a “but for” cause.
What an ass. If the Queen had balls, she would be the King.
And you do play in NYC, Kyrie. You chose not to get vaxed and the consequences that flowed from there. If you don't feel guilty about creating a ridiculous situation in which the Nets effectively have two teams (when you are healthy enough to play anywhere), then you don't care about your team or teammates very much.
I think pretty likely his manager or he pretty much did say that to Nets, actually. Now, on the effort part...totally with you there.
I just received this email from nyc.gov.
Seems like Kyrie still won't be playing home games soon,
Durant back and back big (31 points on 21 shots), Nets still lose and fall to .500. No Simmons and no Kyrie, but the Heat were without Butler and Lowry, so that's really no excuse. Nets are twice as close to falling out of the playoffs entirely (2.5 ahead of the #11 Wizards) as they are to skipping the play in games (5 behind the #6 Cavs).
Nets getting the 8th and Toronto the 7th would be about ideal. Road game with no KI. I guess they'd still have a shot even if they lost that one, but I'd still enjoy it.
That Kyrie's comment about Boston fans being like an ex-GF waiting for a return e-mail was so immediately recognized on twitter and elsewhere as utter bullshit was delicious. Better, of course, was Tatum holding him to zero points on plays when Tatum was defending him. And his generally lackluster performance.
Fwiw, I thought that it was highly cool that Tatum shushed the crowd and that the crowd listened.
Yeah, our fans care what our players think. Tatum said that enough was enough, so the fans relented.
I only saw the clip of his telling Hauser that this has to end but if what you said actually happened that is awesome and further solidifies Tatum as the next mantle holder after Pierce, Bird, Havlicek & Russell.
But was he shushing the crowd so they could concentrate on free throws, or because they were taunting KI? Watching the game I thought it was the former.
Very nice. Leadership at its finest capped off by the hug following the game so those who still don’t get it can get it.
I was there. It was one of the loudest chants I've ever heard at the Garden but it did stop quickly once people saw Tatum and Smart giving the quiet down gesture. My interpretation of it at the time was stop with the Kyrie chants vs. be quiet we're shooting free throws, and I think most of the people around me felt the same way.
Nice, watching live it sure seems like the crowd agreed to sit on its hands at Tatum's request. It was a pretty impressive display, reminded my of Brady calling for quiet under center.
Yep. That's how I felt.
Like Marcus is the longest-tenured and runs through a brick wall and shit, and that's important. But when your best player is elite and gets it, becomes a leader, etc., that helps a lot. He's commanding the respect of teammates, opponents, and 19K people.
Yeah the big tell is that the two guys we know who are close friends to Kyrie, Tatum and Smart, had disturbed looks on their faces while telling the crowd to be quiet…..as Jaylen stood there at the FT line soaking it all in. Lol no love lost between those two.
It's fine that not everyone likes Kyrie. I think that Tatum was on the right path in expecting that his teammates won't encourage it. It was cool to me that he calmly put a stop to the fans doing it.
I always say this every time the Trade Marcus Now!!! chirps up and talks about Marcus as a “culture changer” trade chip. Guys like Marcus play that way because they have to to stay in the league. They don’t change the culture.
Kevin Garnett changed cultures because when your MVP level player plays like that, and you’re a top 50 guy, you can’t really justify cruising. So when Jayson applies himself and dominates games defensively the other guys really can’t justify not busting hump on that end.
Is Smart close with Kyrie? I know Tatum is for sure and I know Smart has stuck up for Kyrie but I don’t believe they’re actually close.
After the game, Kyrie dapped up Tatum then looked to head to the tunnel ignoring everyone else…Smart had to chase him down to get a handshake/high five.
I get the feeling that Tatum has the ability to put up with and be friendly with literally everyone….of course I would also say the same about Horford and apparently he also hates Kyrie.
Regardless, there’s enough smoke, or should I say sage, about Kyrie that I think Tatum and Smart fall pretty firmly in the minority of feelings towards KI from ex-teammates
You're pretty off-base there. Lebron and Jaylen are in the minority.
Kyrie is well liked by NBA players and ex teammates. Tatum vacations with him in the off-season.
Kyrie is well liked by NBA players and ex teammates. Tatum vacations with him in the off-season.
Want to clarify my point and then I’ll leave it alone because there’s really no way for any of us to know how they all truly feel about each other. And players are almost never critical of each other on the record.
- Kyrie is very popular among the NBA as a whole. Maybe one of the most popular in the league.
I don’t think he’s popular among people who have actually played with him over full seasons. When teammates of his from Cleveland and Boston have talked to the media (often unnamed) it’s always mentioned how moody and all over the place he can be. I know one Boston teammate said it was exhausting because you never knew which Kyrie you were getting that day. The really engaging version or the one who won’t even acknowledge you or look you in the eye.
- I know Tatum and Kyrie are close, I mentioned that in my original post so it’s not surprising that they vacation tovetnef
- Kyrie is very popular among the NBA as a whole. Maybe one of the most popular in the league.
I don’t think he’s popular among people who have actually played with him over full seasons. When teammates of his from Cleveland and Boston have talked to the media (often unnamed) it’s always mentioned how moody and all over the place he can be. I know one Boston teammate said it was exhausting because you never knew which Kyrie you were getting that day. The really engaging version or the one who won’t even acknowledge you or look you in the eye.
- I know Tatum and Kyrie are close, I mentioned that in my original post so it’s not surprising that they vacation tovetnef
Whoa!! Everything I’ve heard is the opposite and that Kyrie is one of the most loved players in the league among his peers.
He just dropped 50 on 15-19 shooting, sheesh.
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Kyrie Irving tonight: 50 points 15-19 FG (78%) 9-12 3-pt FG He is the first player in NBA history to record 50 points, 9 3-pointers and 75% shooting in a game.
Kyrie Irving tonight: 50 points 15-19 FG (78%) 9-12 3-pt FG He is the first player in NBA history to record 50 points, 9 3-pointers and 75% shooting in a game.
Kyrie had some sort of leadership position with the Union, so he's popular or respected by his peers
Booing Kyrie is fun for the fans at the game, but they should also boo Danny. The entire League knew Kyrie/Durant were teaming up (it was even caught on film at the All-Star game).
After whiffing on AD, he had a dysfunctional group that bickered and underperformed throughout the season. Danny should have been proactive and traded Irving. Instead, DAR sat there like a potted plant, watched Irving, MaMo, Rozier, Horford walk out the door. Then compounded that by MAXing Kemba and a handful of other crappy moves.
You have to remember to book into southern vetnef - the rainy season in the north is just crazy.
Ainge had been after Durant since his days at U. of Texas. You are correct in that everyone knew Kyrie and Durant were looking to team up but are discounting that arguably the ONLY reason that Ainge did the Kyrie deal in the first place was to lure Durant to Boston so they could team up here.
Great point, next time I go to a game and Ainge walks on the court I'll forget about the fact that he built a championship team and drafted 4 of our excellent starting 5 and boo him because he made some bad moves at the end of his tenure (or like, didn't get anything for Marcus Morris? What a loss).
Or I could just boo Kyrie which seems much more straightforward since he doesn't seem to like us much either.
And that "bickering, underperforming team" made it to the Eastern Conference Finals one year. And like you said, four out of our starting 5 now were Ainge draft picks.
The hindsight on this board can be a bit much. Did Ainge make some mistakes? Sure. He whiffed on a couple picks and a few of his signings didn't work out. Was his grand plan foiled when Hayward broke his leg five minutes into his Celtics career? Yes. Last thing I'll ever do is boo the man though, despite what some dipshit message board poster says.
The Ainge criticisms are weird. The guy built an incredible foundation for this team, hired a coach that nobody thought was NBA bound, and had them competitive for almost 20 years. Plus, he left at almost a perfect moment, teeing up his coach to do the rebuild. Oh, and he won a title, and competed for another and made some thing like five Eastern conference finals. What the hell else do people expect?
Don't forget he let Max Struss go to Miami instead of keeping him here. It's that kind of action that simply cannot be forgiven.
I loved this quote from KD about Kyrie:
"It was just an incredible, incredible performance. Younger players, you should watch this game and learn what it takes to score at that level -- at 5-10, 5-11, for him to score that easy, that was just a master class."
Shorting his buddy by 4" is pretty funny.
"It was just an incredible, incredible performance. Younger players, you should watch this game and learn what it takes to score at that level -- at 5-10, 5-11, for him to score that easy, that was just a master class."
Shorting his buddy by 4" is pretty funny.
Ainge's fault was not cutting bait on Kyrie at the trade deadline when the writing was on the wall that Irving was going elsewhere. At the same time, who knows if he would have been able to sell that deal to Wyc at the time. Haywood was showing signs of recovering closer to his form, and the chemistry issues could have resolved themselves.
And, for the record, Horford took a significantly above-market offer from Philly that Ainge was never going to match. Marcus Morris was addition by subtraction. Kemba instead of Rozier was a mistake, but I do think that Ainge thought that the C's could get 2 solid years from Kemba before his knees gave out, which seems reasonable and was the consensus at the time.
And, for the record, Horford took a significantly above-market offer from Philly that Ainge was never going to match. Marcus Morris was addition by subtraction. Kemba instead of Rozier was a mistake, but I do think that Ainge thought that the C's could get 2 solid years from Kemba before his knees gave out, which seems reasonable and was the consensus at the time.
Nice posting.... but I know you can do better
The non-bickering youngsters made it to the ECF Finals VS
The Kyrie-led group the next season bickered, underperformed the entire season which led to a Gentlemen's Sweep by the Bucks
The Kyrexit was pretty well telegraphed by December. Every beat & national NBA reporter was aware and reporting it. Kyrie was clearly unhappy, while Ky was also being a prick to Jaylen Brown/others the entire season.
What hindsight do you speak of? Because the face-saving Kemba signing worked out for ~3months. Danny desperately tried to cut bait on him the following summer.
The point is, all the Kyrie whining/booing could have been resolved if Danny had turned him around for assets once he knew he was gone and saw the team wasn't jelling. He had a group that made a fantastic run the previous season. One of Danny's self-confessed strengths was being cold/calculating (ie the IT/Kyrie trade to begin with) and getting value from assets. He failed that season, and the following 2 seasons. It's why he left and took another job with the Jazz a few months later. Brad has done a fantastic job quickly cleaning up some of those messes.
Kyrie, an amazing talent, is a clown with plenty of issues. We gladly rip him around here, but I'm pretty ready to move on since the current edition of the C's is ready to contend for numerous years now. It would be nice if the Garden just went silent on Ky and didn't give him any oxygen (the exit was 3 seasons ago this summer). At least that's how team leaders like Tatum and Smart feel.
It's alright to be critical of some of the moves Danny made/didn't make.
Obviously, nobody is going to boo Danny.
Go ahead and continue to boo and scream "Kyrie sucks". At some point, it will look amateurish.
Its just time to move on and focus on our current team contending
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No argument with any of this.Nice posting.... but I know you can do better
The non-bickering youngsters made it to the ECF Finals VS
The Kyrie-led group the next season bickered, underperformed the entire season which led to a Gentlemen's Sweep by the Bucks
The Kyrexit was pretty well telegraphed by December. Every beat & national NBA reporter was aware and reporting it. Kyrie was clearly unhappy, while Ky was also being a prick to Jaylen Brown/others the entire season.
What hindsight do you speak of? Because the face-saving Kemba signing worked out for ~3months. Danny desperately tried to cut bait on him the following summer.
The point is, all the Kyrie whining/booing could have been resolved if Danny had turned him around for assets once he knew he was gone and saw the team wasn't jelling. He had a group that made a fantastic run the previous season. One of Danny's self-confessed strengths was being cold/calculating (ie the IT/Kyrie trade to begin with) and getting value from assets. He failed that season, and the following 2 seasons. It's why he left and took another job with the Jazz a few months later. Brad has done a fantastic job quickly cleaning up some of those messes.
Kyrie, an amazing talent, is a clown with plenty of issues. We gladly rip him around here, but I'm pretty ready to move on since the current edition of the C's is ready to contend for numerous years now. It would be nice if the Garden just went silent on Ky and didn't give him any oxygen (the exit was 3 seasons ago this summer). At least that's how team leaders like Tatum and Smart feel.
It's alright to be critical of some of the moves Danny made/didn't make.
That said, lex is right also. At that point, what we knew for sure about Kyrie, I think that it would have looked like we were punting on the season. It would have been pretty damn unpopular.
To be fair, there were people here calling for it at the time, some of the folks in this thread. But I can't be the only one who learned a lot post-Kyrexit.
Not disagreeing with the notion that the Cs could have (should have?) traded Kyrie at the 2019 deadline. I just wonder if there was a healthy market for Kyrie with the knowledge that:
- Boston finished with the fourth seed in the east. Surely the question of why Boston would be raised--why trade a starting point guard while gearing up for a playoff run.
- If other teams were aware that Kyrie was dead set on Brooklyn--why would they give up significant assets for such a short rental? And who would these interested teams be?
- Boston finished with the fourth seed in the east. Surely the question of why Boston would be raised--why trade a starting point guard while gearing up for a playoff run.
- If other teams were aware that Kyrie was dead set on Brooklyn--why would they give up significant assets for such a short rental? And who would these interested teams be?
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Oh yea, we learned a ton after Kyrexit.
The team did know going into the Kyrie era that they were playing with dynamite. The initial trade was brilliant by Danny. And the way Kyrie played against the Bucks and exited was jarring. BUT in the postscript, Danny needs to own some of how it ended.
Keeping JT and the core proud to be playing in Boston is important, player empowerment is real. JT, Smart, Grant all were calling for the fans to settle down with the Kyrie Sucks! chant. Not sure we've ever seen Boston players do that in any sport?
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The Morris Brothers' antics can be tiresome, but it's hard to question Marcus' competitive drive and toughness, two qualities the C's lacked most of last season and for the first part of this one.