I mean either, but for the sake of the conversation, a whole season since that is how teams are actually constructed."Needed" for a whole season or just a playoff series or 2?
I mean either, but for the sake of the conversation, a whole season since that is how teams are actually constructed."Needed" for a whole season or just a playoff series or 2?
And anyone taking that 8 points per game is ignoring the fact that over the last 4 years (since Kyrie left Boston), Holiday has scored 349 more total than Kyrie. Reliability will always be criminally underrated.If you needed to win a championship, who would you rather have on your team, Kyrie or Jrue Holliday? Irving can score more, but Holliday is a much better defender, capable lead passer, infinitely more reliable and hasn't quit on three different franchises. I think most people would still pick Kyrie, which kind of speaks to perceived value of being able to score 8 extra points per game in dazzling fashion.
That's the nicest thing I've heard you say about him in 15 years.Having worked on fundraising extensively with Mass ALS, including auctions and softball bashes originating here on SoSH, I was pretty consistently underwhelmed, and often extraordinarily disappointed, by Mr Schilling’s commitment and contributions to the cause. Performative is the word that comes to mind.
Any chance you can change the thread title to: Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?That's the nicest thing I've heard you say about him in 15 years.
It's all fun and games until Ballmer decides Kyrie is the answer to the Clippers' PG woesYou guys disappoint me. I'm still in agony over PG ending my clipps season and still beat you to this gem...
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Wait, you aren’t really suggesting it will finally work out for Kyrie once he’s paired with Kawhi and Paul George, are you? Because forget what I said before – if he goes to the Clippers, he absolutely deserves entry to Springfield based on his generationally elite team killing skills.It's all fun and games until Ballmer decides Kyrie is the answer to the Clippers' PG woes
If Dallas takes their Kyrie medicine, who are the TOP5 destinations?
He is the bringer of death. And every owner is an egomaniac to some extent. They all think that they can fix guys.It's all fun and games until Ballmer decides Kyrie is the answer to the Clippers' PG woes
If Dallas takes their Kyrie medicine, who are the TOP5 destinations?
We can only hope Pat Riley attempts to fix him.He is the bringer of death. And every owner is an egomaniac to some extent. They all think that they can fix guys.
Holy shit.He is the bringer of death. And every owner is an egomaniac to some extent. They all think that they can fix guys.
Has there been any athlete in the history of team sports who can completely nuke the team that they are on like Kyrie? I mean this is now 4 franchises that his mere presence has submarined themHe is the bringer of death. And every owner is an egomaniac to some extent. They all think that they can fix guys.
Funny... Yesterday at the UConn gym a bunch of guys were arguing over who would you rather have, Jrue or Trae Young. The opinion amongst the 6-7 guys there was pretty equally divided.If you needed to win a championship, who would you rather have on your team, Kyrie or Jrue Holliday?
Yeah, I don’t think many people would dispute that his move to Dallas has been a Net benefit.A season ticket holder friend reports Luka is sad because he’s suing his mom and claims Kyrie has been a net benefit.
well playedYeah, I don’t think many people would dispute that his move to Dallas has been a Net benefit.
J'rue is still criminally underratedFunny... Yesterday at the UConn gym a bunch of guys were arguing over who would you rather have, Jrue or Trae Young. The opinion amongst the 6-7 guys there was pretty equally divided.
LOVE this quote. There are many ways to handle / address a home crowd booing situation. And then there's the Kyrie way of shitting on them while simultaneously calling attention to his own greatness. I can't wait until he (literally) starts giving Mavs fans the finger.You guys disappoint me. I'm still in agony over PG ending my clipps season and still beat you to this gem...
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So true. All of his quotes somehow come back to his greatness, he must be a seriously insecure individualLOVE this quote. There are many ways to handle / address a home crowd booing situation. And then there's the Kyrie way of shitting on them while simultaneously calling attention to his own greatness. I can't wait until he (literally) starts giving Mavs fans the finger.
I didn't think they needed any help with that. They're 37-37 and in the play-in tournament. 8-5 since LeBron went out.Should have been dealt to LA to kill the Lakers chances instead.
A friend of mine texted me the same question and we are stumped. I considered Reggie Jackson, but it's hard for a baseball player to tank his team the same way Kyrie did while still playing at a high level (and Reggie's teams were usually good).Has there been any athlete in the history of team sports who can completely nuke the team that they are on like Kyrie? I mean this is now 4 franchises that his mere presence has submarined them
Reggie was before my time so I can’t speak to that one.A friend of mine texted me the same question and we are stumped. I considered Reggie Jackson, but it's hard for a baseball player to tank his team the same way Kyrie did while still playing at a high level (and Reggie's teams were usually good).
Anthony Davis might be up there if he'd been on more teams.
And Ben Simmons is working on that resume, but I don't know if he'll get more chances.
Well they aren’t tanking now thanks to Ainge and the Wolves being idiots. Give them Kyrie instead and they are likely DOA now.I didn't think they needed any help with that. They're 37-37 and in the play-in tournament. 8-5 since LeBron went out.
Reggie Jackson had a Hugh ego, but he produced, he played in and won five World Series, while hitting 10 home runs (three on three pitches in 1977) and batting .357.Reggie was before my time so I can’t speak to that one.
The only name that comes to mind for me as close to Kyrie is Harden. He destroyed Houston on the way out. I give him a pass for Brooklyn because that was clearly in response to Kyries nonsense
This isn't too surprising and really depends on the exact question. If it's a question of who helps you win a title this year, I don't think anyone passes on holiday. If it's about who do you want to start a franchise with, or who you'd rather have going forward, Youngs massive edge in offense and age (he's 8 years younger) swing things the other way for me.Funny... Yesterday at the UConn gym a bunch of guys were arguing over who would you rather have, Jrue or Trae Young. The opinion amongst the 6-7 guys there was pretty equally divided.
I think that most of the division in "who would you rather have" comes down to how much one values defense. Most people still respect a few super high level defenders and put everyone else in the "other" bucket and don't care.This isn't too surprising and really depends on the exact question. If it's a question of who helps you win a title this year, I don't think anyone passes on holiday. If it's about who do you want to start a franchise with, or who you'd rather have going forward, Youngs massive edge in offense and age (he's 8 years younger) swing things the other way for me.
Interestingly, I think the person who comes closest is Lebron. The difference is that he raises the team up so much with his play that you don’t realize how bad the rest of the team has become until he leaves. Miami is the only team that has escaped this so far and that is because Riley wouldn’t contort himself to please Lebron. I can’t wait to see what the Lakers look like when he leaves (or becomes an ordinary player, not a transformational one. Which is what may be happening now.)Has there been any athlete in the history of team sports who can completely nuke the team that they are on like Kyrie? I mean this is now 4 franchises that his mere presence has submarined them
LeBron's MO throughout his career has been to squeeze every potential future asset out of the franchise he is on, and then bolt as soon as he sees that supporting casts window closing. That's why the teams he leaves behind are often a mess.Interestingly, I think the person who comes closest is Lebron. The difference is that he raises the team up so much with his play that you don’t realize how bad the rest of the team has become until he leaves. Miami is the only team that has escaped this so far and that is because Riley wouldn’t contort himself to please Lebron. I can’t wait to see what the Lakers look like when he leaves (or becomes an ordinary player, not a transformational one. Which is what may be happening now.)
This is a good post. If your team sucks and you need pointz and asses in seats, then Trae is a no brainer over Jrue. I think that the presumption in a "who would you rather have" conversation is that this discussion is among fans of teams who don't suck, because teams who suck have fans who sit around and discuss other shit.If I'm starting a franchise, I'm probably not going to be a contender if Jrue or Trae are my best player. So it that sense, I'd definitely rather have Jrue because I'm going to need him to mesh with at least one person who is better than him, which is a seamless fit for Jrue and a huge question mark for Trae. The answer is the same for a Kyrie/Jrue question, I'd much rather have Jrue because he's an ace second banana and Kyrie is an unstable nut.
If I like, had to win 35 games or I'd die, I'd probably pick Trae just because his scoring and playmaking raises the floor higher than what Jrue does.
Realistically, you need one of the six or seven best players in the league to make the Finals, so "who would you rather start a franchise with?" is a moot point unless you are talking about one of those players.This is a good post. If your team sucks and you need pointz and asses in seats, then Trae is a no brainer over Jrue. I think that the presumption in a "who would you rather have" conversation is that this discussion is among fans of teams who don't suck, because teams who suck have fans who sit around and discuss other shit.
He also takes the teams he’s on to heights that Kyrie could only dream of (as a best player, a team with Kyrie as it’s best player/leader would be a fucking disaster)Interestingly, I think the person who comes closest is Lebron. The difference is that he raises the team up so much with his play that you don’t realize how bad the rest of the team has become until he leaves. Miami is the only team that has escaped this so far and that is because Riley wouldn’t contort himself to please Lebron. I can’t wait to see what the Lakers look like when he leaves (or becomes an ordinary player, not a transformational one. Which is what may be happening now.)
I’m kinda feeling the “anti-LeBron” illustration, tho.Yeah, I don’t get the LeBron analogy at all. LBJ brings championships and Kyrie brings destruction with the sole, and quite telling, example of when he was with LeBron. Even more telling that Kyrie blew that up immediately.
exactly the opposite, no?
Are you referring to numbers or a sort of team chemistry? Dallas is really really bad when one or both of Kyrie or Doncic are off the floor with one of the leagues most efficient offenses when they are both on the floor. The Mavs primary issue, aside from having arguably the worst #3-15 of all playoff teams is their end of game execution. They have 8 losses by two or less possessions since the trade and are 9-13 despite their Pythag at 12-10. They lost 4 of the 5 games Kyrie didn’t play but that roster is simply pitiful with or without him.Basketball is a very unique sport with regards to the level of autonomy that players have with regards to attempt a chance to score. In basketball, there is so often a tension between teammates as to who has the ball and who is shooting it that you just don’t see in other sports. In addition, the importance of effort on defense in basketball along with the fact that there are only 5 people on the floor, just makes it incredibly easy for one player to have a huge negative impact on a game or game situation.