Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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He's like Little Carmine from the Sopranos come to life in the form of a basketball player.

"I am reminded of Adam Silver's the whatever's finance minister...he built this chateau — KD and I saw it when we went to Paris — it even outshone Versailles, where the king Lebron lived. In the end, Lebron clapped him in irons."
 

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Kevin Durant: “I’m not here to judge somebody or talk down on the life or how they feel their views. I just didn't like anything that went on. I felt like it was all unnecessary. I felt like we could have just kept playing basketball and kept quiet as an organization.” #nets
I'm sure he'd feel the same way if, before KD orchestrated his firing, Steve Nash had said, "we'd be playing a lot better if our Black players weren't hung up on stuff that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago."
O for the rest of the season is too good for this team.
 

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Kevin Durant: “I’m not here to judge somebody or talk down on the life or how they feel their views. I just didn't like anything that went on. I felt like it was all unnecessary. I felt like we could have just kept playing basketball and kept quiet as an organization.” #nets
So, Durant thinks Jews shouldn’t care about Kyrie’s very public very antisemitic statements, but he thinks that he can get away with expressing that view by doing it implicitly rather than explicitly?

There’s obviously a way to read this as criticizing Kyrie too, but I think the last line gives the game away. He’s asking the organization, not Kyrie, to shut up and just let them (meaning Kyrie) play.
 

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Basically trying to have his cake and eat it too, and oh, also throw it in your face. Classic narcissism.

What gets me about all of this is he clearly thinks he's outsmarted everyone. Oh, I've apologized -- now do you, the media, have what you wanted? Can I go back to playing basketball now?
Forcing people to constantly play defense is certainly another favorite tactic of narcissists. Frame everything so it's others' fault for calling you out and not your fault for upsetting them in the first place.

In my own experience, some variation of "You guys are obsessed with me" is almost always used.
 

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Since it's 2022, #IStandWithKyrie was trending for a bit on Elon's Twitter. And I don't even want to post the Jason Whitlock takes.
It's not a great time for mental health and Kyrie is a symptom of this current worldwide trend.

And this is correct:

Forcing people to constantly play defense is certainly another favorite tactic of narcissists. Frame everything so it's others' fault for calling you out and not your fault for upsetting them in the first place.

In my own experience, some variation of "You guys are obsessed with me" is almost always used.
After that the next step is 'you're trying to cancel me' and it's very downhill from there.
 

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So, Durant thinks Jews shouldn’t care about Kyrie’s very public very antisemitic statements, but he thinks that he can get away with expressing that view by doing it implicitly rather than explicitly?

There’s obviously a way to read this as criticizing Kyrie too, but I think the last line gives the game away. He’s asking the organization, not Kyrie, to shut up and just let them (meaning Kyrie) play.
Agree completely. Up until the “kept quiet as an organization” line I think you could make a case he was criticizing either side (or both sides) but that line really changes the tenor of the comment.

Seems like KD thinks the organization should have done nothing and the media should have left Kyrie alone and let them play basketball…which, given everything we know about KD and how miserable he is as a person definitely tracks
 

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Whatever one thinks of him in general, I would like to see Coach K chime in with at least a "he did not learn that shit at Duke."
 

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Agree completely. Up until the “kept quiet as an organization” line I think you could make a case he was criticizing either side (or both sides) but that line really changes the tenor of the comment.

Seems like KD thinks the organization should have done nothing and the media should have left Kyrie alone and let them play basketball…which, given everything we know about KD and how miserable he is as a person definitely tracks
And tracks with his previous comments about being annoyed that the Warriors organization made a big deal about him and Draymond clashing and if they just got out of the way, everything would have been fine.
 

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To me, the part of this that has gotten a little undersold is that Kyrie has clearly never really watched this film. Friedell said in the podcast I mentioned upthread that Kyrie just never ever wants to back down when he’s challenged on anything (cue the defending Giannis gifs) so he digs in.

In this case, because he was challenged on the contents of this video, rather than saying “Yeah, I just thought it had a cool name” or admit he didn’t actually do his “research,” he dug in and refused to say the one thing that might’ve gotten him off the hook on this but also would’ve exposed him for being an empty vessel rather than a “beacon of light and truth.” And yes, despite finally saying “I apologize” he’s still doing it now.

Hard to see how this is worth it over the long haul – but it seems like the one thing he doesn’t want to give up in this whole ordeal is the pretense that he’s some kind of prophet.
I guess the question is whether he knows deep down that he's not as smart as he thinks or that he's a pretender.

I mean, there are all sorts of people who are deep down insecure and will do pretty much anything to avoid being discovered, even if it means having to double down on hate. And even if they've already been discovered. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Kyrie.

Whatever one thinks of him in general, I would like to see Coach K chime in with at least a "he did not learn that shit at Duke."
Unless, of course . . .
Ha -- that was my first thought. Assumes facts not in evidence.
 

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And tracks with his previous comments about being annoyed that the Warriors organization made a big deal about him and Draymond clashing and if they just got out of the way, everything would have been fine.
Yup…he’s clearly delusional
 

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I guess the question is whether he knows deep down that he's not as smart as he thinks or that he's a pretender.

I mean, there are all sorts of people who are deep down insecure and will do pretty much anything to avoid being discovered, even if it means having to double down on hate. And even if they've already been discovered. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Kyrie.




Ha -- that was my first thought. Assumes facts not in evidence.
I agree. The funny thing is a lot of people don't ever want to admit that they are wrong, for fear that by admitting so would make them look foolish. So they will continue to insist that they didn't do anything wrong, which of course makes them look 10x more foolish than just admitting they made a mistake.

Apologizing is one of the most underrated aspects of our society. People in general are very forgiving, all you have to do is make a sincere attempt to do better next time.
 

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Apologizing is one of the most underrated aspects of our society. People in general are very forgiving, all you have to do is make a sincere attempt to do better next time.
Yeah, I also think we should think hard about how we accept apologies. We are all so used to non-apology apologies that we are at this point pre-conditioned to get as mad at the non-apology as the original event, to the point that we sometimes miss the opportunity to be gracious in accepting a sincere or at least partially sincere apology in a way that actually does some net good.
 

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Whatever one thinks of him in general, I would like to see Coach K chime in with at least a "he did not learn that shit at Duke."
Never been on campus but that place does not have a reputation as being a bastion of tolerance.
That said, I don't think in his like 8-9 months there he became problematic in the way he is now.
 

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I agree. The funny thing is a lot of people don't ever want to admit that they are wrong, for fear that by admitting so would make them look foolish. So they will continue to insist that they didn't do anything wrong, which of course makes them look 10x more foolish than just admitting they made a mistake.

Apologizing is one of the most underrated aspects of our society. People in general are very forgiving, all you have to do is make a sincere attempt to do better next time.
It's now too-often seen as a sign of weakness.
 

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Never been on campus but that place does not have a reputation as being a bastion of tolerance.
That said, I don't think in his like 8-9 months there he became problematic in the way he is now.
I have no idea about the school itself. To the extent "kyrie" and "college" are linked, its only about basketball. And I think that based on his public face anyway, the coach would have no issue carving Kyrie a new one and I wish he would. For better or worse, when he talks, media writes it down.
 

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I guess the question is whether he knows deep down that he's not as smart as he thinks or that he's a pretender.

I mean, there are all sorts of people who are deep down insecure and will do pretty much anything to avoid being discovered, even if it means having to double down on hate. And even if they've already been discovered. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Kyrie.
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Yeah, I also think we should think hard about how we accept apologies. We are all so used to non-apology apologies that we are at this point pre-conditioned to get as mad at the non-apology as the original event, to the point that we sometimes miss the opportunity to be gracious in accepting a sincere or at least partially sincere apology in a way that actually does some net good.
Nobody needs to accept his apology. It's not the sorry that actually matters. It's trusting that the person saying the words actually has an understanding for how bad they fucked up in a way that won't allow the issue to surface again. Kyrie didn't do that, he did the opposite. He said words that were combative and showed that he is someone who still kinda sorta believes the stuff he tweeted but wants people to think he has a deep understanding of the topics at hand. He tries to manufacture credibility by talking about other things or acknowledging the falsehoods so that the rest of what he says seems normal.

Let's not forget that we are brushing over the fact that paired with his documentary post was an Alex Jones video. That's who he is. And we know there are dozens of other athletes in sports who believe this shit too, but only Kyrie is dumb enough to spread it around. If Schilling was playing baseball while being the person he is today, he'd never have made it to the mound in 2004.
 

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Nobody needs to accept his apology. It's not the sorry that actually matters. It's trusting that the person saying the words actually has an understanding for how bad they fucked up in a way that won't allow the issue to surface again. Kyrie didn't do that, he did the opposite. He said words that were combative and showed that he is someone who still kinda sorta believes the stuff he tweeted but wants people to think he has a deep understanding of the topics at hand.

Let's not forget that we are brushing over the fact that paired with his documentary post was an Alex Jones video. That's who he is. And we know there are dozens of other athletes in sports who believe this shit too, but only Kyrie is dumb enough to spread it around. If Schilling was playing baseball while being the person he is today, he'd never have made it to the mound in 2004.
I wasn't talking about Kyrie, FWIW. Sorry that was not clear.

I was responding to Kliq's post about sincere apologies and trying to make a point about how we accept them. I put a fair amount of thought into apologies and it's hard to give them and then basically get berated and lectured about the thing you realized was wrong when realizing an apology was necessary. It's not fun and you have to take it, because that's part of the process. And sometimes you do need the lecture. But there is also a spectrum of how to accept an apology, just as there is a spectrum of how to make one, and sometimes you need to keep your eye on the ultimate goal of trying to be better people.

Edit -- I'll leave this here but on reflection, it's kind of dumb. It has nothing to do with Kyrie and it reads like I'm trying to put expectations on the person who has been wronged in an apology scenario, which maybe I was and which is really nuts. Sorry, I'm having a weird morning. Please ignore if possible.
 
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I have to admit, I didn't expect Kyrie to apologize and do so quickly. On reflection, he has too much money at stake not to. But this is a man who has been stubborn in other contexts.

Regardless, I have to give him credit for taking the high road, finally.

I don't have to like any of these guys. The main thing is that they score and play defense enough for my team to win. But in the end, I respect this apology.

By the way, Jaylen's subsequent explanation for dumping Ye/West revealed a lot about him. He did not say that he dumped him because he can't associate with an obvious Jew Hater. He said that he had to protect his platform and ability to speak out. I think that was pretty telling.

My point is that Kyrie is an easy punching bag because he's so...everything despicable. But I have no illusions that I root for some guys with views I cannot abide, whether in the NBA or in other sports. And Jaylen Brown may be one of them. It's only an inference and he may be a wonderful man. But this is why I try to remind myself that I really only root for the laundry.
 

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I have to admit, I didn't expect Kyrie to apologize and do so quickly. On reflection, he has too much money at stake not to. But this is a man who has been stubborn in other contexts.

Regardless, I have to give him credit for taking the high road, finally.

I don't have to like any of these guys. The main thing is that they score and play defense enough for my team to win. But in the end, I respect this apology.

By the way, Jaylen's subsequent explanation for dumping Ye/West revealed a lot about him. He did not say that he dumped him because he can't associate with an obvious Jew Hater. He said that he had to protect his platform and ability to speak out. I think that was pretty telling.

My point is that Kyrie is an easy punching bag because he's so...everything despicable. But I have no illusions that I root for some guys with views I cannot abide, whether in the NBA or in other sports. And Jaylen Brown may be one of them. It's only an inference and he may be a wonderful man. But this is why I try to remind myself that I really only root for the laundry.
I have pretty much the exact opposite reaction that you do. It felt like a halfhearted apology made easier by the fact it was typed into a computer with no chance of questioning. You also seem to forget how many chances he had to do the bare minimum and not be a complete shithead where he failed spectacularly

I think it only seems like the “high road” or an “apology” because Kyrie is so despicable and has such a low bar to clear that anything that shows the least bit of contrition or self-reflection seems like a huge deal

I 100% think he fucks up again when he has a chance
 

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A 3rd take on the "better" apology: My assumption had been that he's one of those hapless conspiracy theorists who, as with his giving up a ton of money because of his vaccine wackiness, wouldn't fold due to the Nets going hard-ass. I don't believe for a second that apology is real. But, how to put it, I almost respect him less (I mean, that's not possible, given I have zero respect) in the sense that he clearly sold out his idiotic/hateful ideas once the punishment became rea, so came up with this superficially somewhat more convincing apology. I guess, short story: if you're gonna be an scumbag, at least stick to it rather than fake folding.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of pathological narcissism. Narcissists as defined clinically are not doormats who seek love. They crave attention and validation, but not "love" as we understand it. They will not tolerate any disagreement. They cast people off not because they're "blowing with the wind" but because they are incredibly thin-skinned and reactive to any perceived humiliation, and they see humiliation everywhere. Most people will not give them the unconditional validation they seek in the face of how cruel and selfish a narcissist truly is, so they turn on them and even abuse them.

Narcissists do not bend to others, they manipulate and coerce others into behaving how they want them to. Classic grandiose narcissists are famous for being antagonistic and intolerant of any questioning of their authority. A person can be narcissistic in one part of their life and normal in others, of course, as well. We start talking about pathology when that person begin to destroy their own life or the lives of others.
I guess the question is whether he knows deep down that he's not as smart as he thinks or that he's a pretender.

I mean, there are all sorts of people who are deep down insecure and will do pretty much anything to avoid being discovered, even if it means having to double down on hate. And even if they've already been discovered. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Kyrie.
Narcissist vs pretender or...both? I definitely agree that a lot of this is an expression of deep insecurity. Some of which I can get -- the African-American search for roots is ultimately a tragic one and this "we are the real Jews -- the Jews stole our identity from us" is totally bizarre, but also one of those weird ideas that flows out of being part of an unrooted diaspora and desperate for some sense of identity (not an excuse, btw, obviously 99+% of African Americans are perfectly able to have that historic injustice co-exist with an ability to not fall prey to idiocy). You add in the deep insecurity of the pretender and you have the makings of someone suspect to fringe conspiracy theories and apt to reject "mainstream" knowledge, per pathetic Q Anon losers.

The sad thing is that this along with Kanye is undoubtedly going to give fire to this sub-set of weirdness.
 

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I have pretty much the exact opposite reaction that you do. It felt like a halfhearted apology made easier by the fact it was typed into a computer with no chance of questioning. You also seem to forget how many chances he had to do the bare minimum and not be a complete shithead where he failed spectacularly

I think it only seems like the “high road” or an “apology” because Kyrie is so despicable and has such a low bar to clear that anything that shows the least bit of contrition or self-reflection seems like a huge deal

I 100% think he fucks up again when he has a chance
You make great points. I guess I am very surprised that he made ANY apology. I had him pegged as so egocentric, stubborn and frankly downright dumb that he would be unable to apologize at all.

But again, you make good points.
 

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I wonder just how prevalent this thinking is among other athletes. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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You make great points. I guess I am very surprised that he made ANY apology. I had him pegged as so egocentric, stubborn and frankly downright dumb that he would be unable to apologize at all.

But again, you make good points.
that i agree with 100%. I just don’t give him any credit for being a little bit better than a complete scumbag
 

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Not picking on Charlotte here, who I like, but I think this is emblematic of a trend I see online:

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She does everything in her power to assume he's just giving a bad answer, doesn't get what he's doing, doesn't realize he's being hypocritical, etc.

Sometimes the answer is simply: He's an antisemite. He holds antisemitic beliefs. He's not cowardly or weak. He's an antisemite.
Yeah this is 100% of one those "when people show you who they are, believe them" moments.
 

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Kevin Durant: “I’m not here to judge somebody or talk down on the life or how they feel their views. I just didn't like anything that went on. I felt like it was all unnecessary. I felt like we could have just kept playing basketball and kept quiet as an organization.” #nets
The obvious follow-up question is would he feel that way if a teammate was espousing/promoting white supremacy. Of course, none of the collection of bro-dog, jock-sniffers that make up the NBA media(or any league, for that matter) will go anywhere near such a question.
 

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I’m not sure why KI would bother to return Tsai’s messages. Tsai thinks he is the boss of KI but the way the league works KI is a max player and would get that contract from anyone. So, Tsai is just a money middle man. The league is really the players and the players agreed to the contract that includes the system that provides for max talent players like KI to get paid this money. And KI is a player so really he’s paying himself and therefore only answers to himself.

Educate yourself.