Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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There's resentment, too. People who are bitter about their own lot in life often enjoy watching people much richer and well-off fail, especially when those people are being paid to play a game.
Especially when the person being paid to play doesn’t work on an obvious flaw in his game for 5+ years by many reports (Ben not being able to shoot is not a recent development). And, when asked about it is often defiant and entitled. Definitely feel for his recent struggles. But there is a long history with Simmons. Not all of it ties back to just mental health issues (at least imo).
 

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Off-topic a bit. But the NBA has to address the way they call charge arc. Right now if the defender is inside it you can just bowl him over. Just another way the current rules disincentivize good post footwork.
 

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It does seem like some people are amused by Simmons' struggles. To me it looks awful and I want to see him redeem his career however maybe I missed something that makes rooting against him easy. Its not entertaining or fun from where I sit.
To quote the late Josef Stalin, "Humor is like food, not everyone gets it."
 

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One of the things I love about Giannis is that the players he seems to most relish "big-boying" are guys his size or bigger, like Simmons, Embiid, and Ayton.
I know that it's the Kyrie thread, but this is a great point. Giannis walks away from most people. He doesn't when it's someone in his weight class.
 

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I had no idea Simmons and Giannis had a beef.
I don't know if they do specifically, but I do remember Giannis always having an extra bounce in his step when he plays against Simmons. Some decent back and forth a few years ago:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPdA7AZHvkQ
One of the things I love about Giannis is that the players he seems to most relish "big-boying" are guys his size or bigger, like Simmons, Embiid, and Ayton.
I know that it's the Kyrie thread, but this is a great point. Giannis walks away from most people. He doesn't when it's someone in his weight class.
Who in their right mind would get into it with Giannis?

Although… wait… there was that one guy…
 

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Yeah he’s built like a Greek god and has ridiculous reach. Would love to see a version of him train for MMA.

Edit: He could even keep the nickname. It’s perfect.
 
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Who in their right mind would get into it with Giannis?

Although… wait… there was that one guy…
Yes, that one guy who was and is pathologically obsessed with being the meanest, toughest mofo on the court, and being able to guard 1-5, even if it meant scrapping with a guy twice his size. Who will go to extremes to get in an opponent's head, or to put his body at risk to make a play. Sometimes that mentality gets you in prison, sometimes it gets you the DPOY.

He's one of a kind though. Anyone with normal amounts of sense and self-preservation wouldn't go anywhere near a charging Giannis.
 

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Yes, that one guy who was and is pathologically obsessed with being the meanest, toughest mofo on the court, and being able to guard 1-5, even if it meant scrapping with a guy twice his size. Who will go to extremes to get in an opponent's head, or to put his body at risk to make a play. Sometimes that mentality gets you in prison, sometimes it gets you the DPOY.

He's one of a kind though. Anyone with normal amounts of sense and self-preservation wouldn't go anywhere near a charging Giannis.


(I love this team.)
 

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Yeah he’s built like a Greek god and has ridiculous reach. Would love to see a version of him train for MMA.

Edit: He could even keep the nickname. It’s perfect.
Only difference there would be that there the other player would be allowed to hit him back.. unlike the NBA where he plays be an entirely different set of rules than his opponent.
 

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Well, there is a connection between all those things… it’s assholes conspiracy theorists making them up and writing about them so that then we have to deal with them, which then becomes a thing unto itself. And then some other shithead reads it and about it and then…

Fuck. These fucking assholes… knock it the fuck off.
 

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Love this part of the description of that movie on Amazon:

Find out what Islam, Judaism and Christianity has covered up for centuries in regards to the true biblical identity of the so-called "Negro" in this movie packed with tons of research.
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Very curious to see at what point Tsai is willing to suspend Kyrie for conduct detrimental. If Kyrie seizes on anti-semitism as his new cause now that being anti-vaxx doesn't get headlines, I'm not sure he'll still be playing by Hanukkah.

View: https://twitter.com/joetsai1999/status/1586196102126391296
It’s the least surprising thing ever that the lesson Kyrie would take from Kanye’s past week is that pushing antisemitic bullshit is the best way to get media attention.
 

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It’s the least surprising thing ever that the lesson Kyrie would take from Kanye’s past week is that pushing antisemitic bullshit is the best way to get media attention.
well Kyrie is going to drive his FA price down if suspended, he may just end up in LA next season
 

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Very curious to see at what point Tsai is willing to suspend Kyrie for conduct detrimental. If Kyrie seizes on anti-semitism as his new cause now that being anti-vaxx doesn't get headlines, I'm not sure he'll still be playing by Hanukkah.

View: https://twitter.com/joetsai1999/status/1586196102126391296
The thing is, while he just recently came out and said it, several of his past tweets have hinted that this is where his true beliefs reside. So that conversation with Tsai could be very interesting. Will Lyrie be able to laugh this away, as he did with his other belief about flat Earth?
 

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So I just poked around on Joe Tsai.

Um… I’m sorta torn between “wow!” and “huh?”

One thing that is clear, though, is that he has led an incredibly liminal life with respect to cultures and not just the crossing of boundaries but having a life that crosses them and even exists—and has thrived—on such crossings, and that is very obviously a huge part of his life and success.

I mean, his family fled to Taiwan when the communists took power in China, was educated in the US and went to probably our most progressive elite law school (Yale) which was his father’s alma mater, is married to a woman of Asian extraction who grew up in a college town in Kansas and has Stanford and Harvard degrees, somehow has a Canadian passport (I stopped trying to figure shit out at some point), and is a founder and top executive of on of China’s most important corporations, and was highly critical of Morey’s Tweet about Hong Kong and China. Oh, and I forgot: He has a home in Hong Kong.

Who knows what will happen, but this is a guy who knows his way around political, ethnic, religious, cultural boundaries at the highest levels that involve the greatest levels of sensitivity… and which is something that Kyrie thinks is a sandbox to throw cat poop around in and think he’s a deep thinker for it.

I would beg borrow and steal to order a PPV of a serious conversation between Kyrie and Tsai about this stuff.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/AlbaneseLaura/status/1586547942177050624

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https://twitter.com/AlbaneseLaura/status/1586549874107072520
Kyrie Irving yells "change your life, bro" after @NickFriedell pushes him on the antisemitic rhetoric in the movie. Says "I wish we cared more about Black reproductive rights and all the things that actually matter than what I'm posting."
At what point does the team just cut him?
Im sure they are getting sick of dealing with this circus day in and day out
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Lewis/status/1586549962745192449?s=20&t=MahbyAMol3iXvigk2hxuaQ
Kyrie: "I do not stand w/ Alex Jones' position, narrative that he had with Sandy Hook or any of the kids that felt like they had to relive trauma or parents that had to relive trauma, or to be dismissive to all the lives that were lost during that tragic event." #Nets
Kyrie Irving: "I'm not going to stand down anything that I believe in. I'm only gonna get stronger because I'm not alone. I have a whole army around me while we're on the topic of promotion." #Nets


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Lewis/status/1586549338003701761?s=20&t=93VEQHLHobtU2VgbCr-24A
 

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Kyrie is a such clown... not clear how much longer Tsai is going to put up with him. Obviously it's complicated, especially because Simmons looks terrible. Without Kyrie that roster is awful, so basically you have to move KD also.

Nets are now 1-5 and not clear how they are going to improve unless Simmons turns the corner dramatically.
 
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Kyrie Irving: "I'm not going to stand down anything that I believe in. I'm only gonna get stronger because I'm not alone. I have a whole army around me while we're on the topic of promotion." #Nets
If there's one lesson you'd hope he'd draw from Ye West's last couple weeks, it's that having "A whole army around you" can disappear in a flash if you suddenly make it professionally embarrassing for them to continue to stand around you.
 

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Kyrie has successfully navigated the often-difficult transition from "Haha he thinks the Earth is flat" to "fucking anti-semitic piece of shit."
 

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Kyrie is a such clown... not clear how much longer Tsai is going to put up with him. Obviously it's complicated, especially because Simmons looks terrible. Without Kyrie that roster is awful, so basically you have to move KD also.

Nets are now 1-5 and not clear how they are going to improve unless Simmons turns the corner dramatically.
This is bigger than him trying to shoot his way out of town. No matter how disassociated from reality he might seem, everyone who doesn't live under a rock saw what happened with Kanye in the last week. So it's not that.

That said, distractions or no distractions, I'm not sure that Tsai wants to just cut him. I'm not sure that I would, if I were him. That's a lot of cash to eat, even if it's addition by subtraction at this point. I'd imagine that Tsai has had about 400 conversations about this, split pretty evenly between his legal team, Silver, and a few confidant owners. Silver doesn't want to set a precedent either about teams suspending players without pay for speech, although he might have to in this case.

What a fucking mess. Like Kyrie has so much, and he's turning into a carbon copy of the tinfoil hat guy from Kenmore Square in the 90s.
 

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Kyrie is 30 and at no point has anything he's done had any consequences, because he's really good at playing basketball. And honestly... I doubt this will either.
Also, Kyrie is real loud about it, but the Black Israelite and anti-Semitic sentiments in the NBA are not at all his alone, most guys are just smart enough to shut the fuck up in public. So he thinks people are quietly on his side like a bunch of guys were on vaccines.
 

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That said, distractions or no distractions, I'm not sure that Tsai wants to just cut him. I'm not sure that I would, if I were him. That's a lot of cash to eat, even if it's addition by subtraction at this point.
I honestly doubt the money is a major factor, it's the last year of his deal.

Teams pay players to stay away for a variety of reasons and it's clear even before this incident the Nets were fed up. Obviously they would love to get some money back but even if they couldn't, I think Tsai would be OK to kick him to the curb.

I think the hang up is the team in general. The Nets without Kyrie are not good (they aren't even that good with him it seems). Then, what does it mean for KD? Would they trade KD mid season? Probably no point in keeping KD if he is unhappy and they dumped Kyrie.
 

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If Kyrie is going to continue to disintegrate before us, the Nets should trade Durant for a big haul and start their rebuild. This entire experiment has been a complete mess, everyone will feel better when you have a few good young assets and some draft picks. The team this year isn't winning anything.
 

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People don't actually think the Nets are going to cut Kyrie, do they?
Uh. Yes.
The fact that the owner of the team tweeted this yesterday. And that less than a day later Kyrie made an ass of himself during his press conference after the game.
plus the NBA statement from this afternoon
+ the fact that they play in Brooklyn. Which has one of the largest Jewish populations in the US. (in terms of % of the population).
I also would not count out companies pulling advertisements so they are not associated with this tire fire. View: https://twitter.com/joetsai1999/status/1586198076402069505?s=46&t=v1Ob7zk4wBIBEiDEV2Pxpg
 

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Uh. Yes.
The fact that the owner of the team tweeted this yesterday. And that less than a day later Kyrie made an ass of himself during his press conference after the game.
plus the NBA statement from this afternoon
+ the fact that they play in Brooklyn.
View: https://twitter.com/joetsai1999/status/1586198076402069505?s=46&t=v1Ob7zk4wBIBEiDEV2Pxpg
The owner tweeted he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Kyrie. Business men make business decisions. Cutting Kyrie isn't a good business decision.

He's not getting cut.
 

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If the Nets throw in the towel, and move KD for a ton of assets

who says no to Kyrie for RWB + the Lakers 2 Firsts ('27 & '29)???

Does Houston own pick-swap rights with the Nets this season?
 

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The owner tweeted he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Kyrie. Business men make business decisions. Cutting Kyrie isn't a good business decision.

He's not getting cut.
Don't be so sure, Tsai is done with Kyrie.

Kyrie is almost a sunk cost at this point, he has no value around the league, as was evident this offseason. If it becomes clear the team isn't going anywhere this season, he will have no problem telling Kyrie to stay home.

If they can get some assets from the Lakers along with taking on RWB, they won't have to "cut" him. But there is not going to be much of a market outside the Lakers so there isn't much business benefit keeping him around.
 

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Also, Kyrie is real loud about it, but the Black Israelite and anti-Semitic sentiments in the NBA are not at all his alone, most guys are just smart enough to shut the fuck up in public. So he thinks people are quietly on his side like a bunch of guys were on vaccines.
I remember seeing Farrakhan on Phil Donahue (I think even before the million man march, I was young) and it blew my fucking mind. This Kanye/Kyrie (hope they don’t get another K guy) stuff is basically the same shit as he was saying and it almost 35 years later.
 

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The owner tweeted he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Kyrie. Business men make business decisions. Cutting Kyrie isn't a good business decision.

He's not getting cut.
Im sorry. But I 1000000% disagree with the bolded. (Strongly disagree with it)

Talent is not the end all be all. Just ask Kanye.

And as @radsoxfan said. The fact that the owner of the team tweeted that out yesterday and ended it with “this is bigger than basketball” is a clear sign that Kyrie was on thin ice already. The fact that the NBA then put out that statement today shows the league wont stand by and do nothing if Kyrie makes this a circus.

if they do nothing you are going to see Companies pull their advertising from the Nets and the NBA as a whole like they did during the Sterling saga. Nobody is going to want to be associated with this shit that Kyrie is spewing.
 

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If KD was doing this, cutting him wouldn't be a good business decision.

But Kyrie isn't as good, is on the last year of his deal, and the offseason proved he has minimal value.

Not a lot of business downside telling him to stay home (once you've decided to punt the season/trade KD of course).
 

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At what point does the NBA suspend him? If a Jewish player liked a tweet about a movie that negatively stereotyped black people, how would other players react? I genuinely wonder. The NBA has represented all races well but Kyrie is a right wing crazy by any other name, he should be suspended/cancelled like Sarver IMO.
 

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Some financial context without commentary—If it means anything, I dunno what it is:

SB Nation: Forbes: Nets only NBA team to lose money over last year but valuation rises 9%
There’s good news and bad news from Forbes latest NBA team values. Like the rest of the league, the Nets evaluation has jumped to an estimated $3.5 billion, up around nine percent from the $3.2 billion Joe Tsai paid Mikhail Prokhorov for the team and Barclays Center in October 2019. On the other hand, Forbes estimates that the Nets were the only NBA team to lose money last year, around $34 million.
And there’s a lot more stuff in that piece, just not quote posting the whole thing. Also, Tsai points out that the team would have pulled a profit if not for the luxury tax ($98M).
 

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The owner tweeted he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Kyrie. Business men make business decisions. Cutting Kyrie isn't a good business decision.

He's not getting cut.
Joe Tsai is a business man like George Washington was a politician.
 

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The owner tweeted he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Kyrie. Business men make business decisions. Cutting Kyrie isn't a good business decision.

He's not getting cut.
The Nets are 1-5 with Kyrie and his idiocy. How much worse will they get without him? This team isn’t winning shit. Cut Kyrie, trade Durant and go into tank mode for Webanyama.
 

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Right. Because nobody has ever researched the history of the Jews before. But, on the other hand, he probably believes that the Jews repressed the truth.
The basic problem is twofold :
A) Kyrie is a moron.
B) He lives in the age of social media when any idiot can announce their idiotic views to the world.