Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

[kazuneko]

Question: who is offering anything close to a max for Kyrie this offseason? And if there are teams interested, would Kyrie consider them. I know the assumption is that the Lakers would be interested but the most they could offer is $31 million ($9 mill less than the max) and that would require withdrawing qualifying offers to Rui, and Reaves, renouncing D’Lo entirely, turning down Beasley’s team option and waiving Reed and Bamba’s non-guaranteed deals. Are they really willing to do that for Kyrie? Would Kyrie even accept $9 mill less than the max? If not, would they package a max-extended D-lo to Dallas in sign-and-trade? Would Dallas even be interested? If LA isn't willing to do any of that who else extends an offer? Would Dallas offer the max? Hard to see why they would unless they fall into the sunk-cost fallacy of having to pay Kyrie since they gave up some assets to get him. If neither Dallas or LA are willing to do extend themselves, who does?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Question: who is offering anything close to a max for Kyrie this offseason? And if there are teams interested, would Kyrie consider them. I know the assumption is that the Lakers would be interested but the most they could off is $31 million ($9 mill less than the max) and that would require withdrawing qualifying offers to Rui, and Reaves, renouncing D’Lo entirely, turning down Beasley’s team option and waiving Reed and Bamba’s non-guaranteed deals. Are they really willing to do that for Kyrie? Would Kyrie even accept $9 mill less than the qualifying offer? If not, would they package a max-extended D-lo to Dallas in sign-and-trade? Would Dallas even be interested? If LA isn't willing to do any of that who else extends an offer? Would Dallas offer the max? Hard to see why they would unless they fall into the sunk-cost fallacy of having to pay Kyrie since they gave up some assets to get him. If neither Dallas or LA are willing to do extend themselves, who does?

We discussed this last year or earlier this year and I was saying the same thing but unless Luka makes it clear that he doesn’t want him there I can’t imagine the Mavs not paying him. That’s a bottom-5 team without him even with Doncic after giving up Finney-Smith and Dinwiddie in the trade. They are entering the danger zone of losing Luka real soon.

 

[kazuneko]

We discussed this last year or earlier this year and I was saying the same thing but unless Luka makes it clear that he doesn’t want him there I can’t imagine the Mavs not paying him. That’s a bottom-5 team without him even with Doncic after giving up Finney-Smith and Dinwiddie in the trade. They are entering the danger zone of losing Luka real soon.

And I guess Kyrie resigns there because there is literally no one else offering anything close to the same deal?
I mean, it's ridiculous. Everyone knows he has no interest in being in Dallas and is dead set on getting himself to LA.
Of course, if he really does - grudgingly - resign with Dallas it's almost guaranteed that he'll want out by midseason at the latest, right?
What a shit show. I think Dallas would actually be better off doing a sign-and-trade with the Lakers for D-Lo on a max contract - even though D-Lo on a max contract would be an abomination...

 

[lovegtm]

And I guess Kyrie resigns there because there is literally no one else offering anything close to the same deal?
I mean, it's ridiculous. Everyone knows he has no interest in being in Dallas and is dead set on getting himself to LA.
Of course, if he really does - grudgingly - resign with Dallas it's almost guaranteed that he'll want out by midseason at the latest, right?
What a shit show. I think Dallas would actually be better off doing a sign-and-trade with the Lakers for D-Lo on a max contract - even though D-Lo on a max contract would be an abomination...

Imagine turning Brunson, DFS, Dinwiddie, and a 1st into D-Lo in less than a year.....and that being the better outcome. What a franchise.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

And I guess Kyrie resigns there because there is literally no one else offering anything close to the same deal?
I mean, it's ridiculous. Everyone knows he has no interest in being in Dallas and is dead set on getting himself to LA.
Of course, if he really does - grudgingly - resign with Dallas it's almost guaranteed that he'll want out by midseason at the latest, right?
What a shit show. I think Dallas would actually be better off doing a sign-and-trade with the Lakers for D-Lo on a max contract - even though D-Lo on a max contract would be an abomination...

That scenario would be pretty awesome with D-Lo on a max as the Knicks roll into town with their All-NBA point guard.

Edit: Oooops, lovegtm had his alarm set before me.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

So I had way too much time on my hands and wanted to see if Kyrie was going to play Brooklyn this year (he isn't). This took me to the Mavs schedule page and the "game leaders" for every game...Holy shit...

I just took a look at Luka's games before Kyrie got there (36 games). And in those games, either he, Wood or Dinwiddle accounted for 105 of the 108 leading scorer/rebounder/assists on the team for the game.

Since the trade it has gotten a little more diverse (obviously), but a lot of it is simply Green taking Dinwiddle's stats.

 

[Fishy1]

Mavs did not need Kyrie to get better, they needed accountability on defense and uh, better defenders. Someone -anyone - who can disrupt ball movement or defend the rim would have been good. It's kind of enjoyable to watch him fail, I guess. I'd rather not think about the guy at all.

Not that the Demon is a bad defender on any given night, it's just that team is near the bottom of the barrel defense wise while having a borderline top five defense even without Kyrie.

I honestly wonder if cutting bait on Porzingis was like, actively a bad move for that team.

 

[chilidawg]

Are you referring to numbers or a sort of team chemistry? Dallas is really really bad when one or both of Kyrie or Doncic are off the floor with one of the leagues most efficient offenses when they are both on the floor. The Mavs primary issue, aside from having arguably the worst #3-15 of all playoff teams is their end of game execution. They have 8 losses by two or less possessions since the trade and are 9-13 despite their Pythag at 12-10. They lost 4 of the 5 games Kyrie didn’t play but that roster is simply pitiful with or without him.

And another 4th Q. loss tonight at Philly. I was actually rooting for Dallas in this one.

 

[kazuneko]

Are you referring to numbers or a sort of team chemistry? Dallas is really really bad when one or both of Kyrie or Doncic are off the floor with one of the leagues most efficient offenses when they are both on the floor. The Mavs primary issue, aside from having arguably the worst #3-15 of all playoff teams is their end of game execution. They have 8 losses by two or less possessions since the trade and are 9-13 despite their Pythag at 12-10. They lost 4 of the 5 games Kyrie didn’t play but that roster is simply pitiful with or without him.

Unfortunately for Dallas, this team -at least on the court - really needs Kyrie, which is why they will be tempted to give him a max, even if with him they aren't anything more than a borderline playoff team. But how will a "generational leader" like Kyrie feel about playing second fiddle to Luka on a team going nowhere in a place he never wanted to be in the first place?
This guy acted out on a stacked team in his hometown playing with his best friend, if he signs with Dallas he won't get through training camp without creating issues...