I suspect this might be true but I don't want to think about that.
Anyone remember Stephen Jackson favorably quoting Hitler last year and then doubling down when he got criticized for it?
Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?
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Anyone remember Stephen Jackson favorably quoting Hitler last year and then doubling down when he got criticized for it?
I assumed he was brought up by a Jewish parent and a Muslim parent and experienced both religions.
Much like how I have friends who celebrate both Christmas and Chanukah.
Ha! Good catch; I didn’t even notice that.
Um…
This is good.
Oh wow. I wonder how they got the seats…
Oh wait—It’s The Nets.
It’s New York; I’d be shocked if the media didn’t continue to push. Nothing sells papers like a team full of stars self imploding.
What endorsements does Kyrie even still have? Does he still have a shoe deal? Adidas took their sweet time but even they bailed on Kanye and there's basically no difference to what he's been saying and the shit Kyrie is promoting.
I would think Udoka would set some firm boundaries with him early on. Kyrie needs to either focus on basketball, respect that Udoka - not Kyrie - is the coach, or he needs to leave the team. It needs to be very clear that he's pissed away his leverage. If he can't see that then they should show him the door.
He was averaging 30 ppg this year before today, and even since the twitter post he had been really good.
I was gonna say, 30-5-5 on a TS% of .593 isn't too shabby. However his advanced numbers have definitely dipped in a very small sample (his WS/48 and BPM are either going to be the worst or 2nd worst of his career).
Yeah but they're still very good, just not as good as they were. The nets aren't 2-6 because of him.
Kyrie undermined the coach from the day they hired him, and the result has been a chronically underachieving, undisciplined team.
As usual, it’s not Kyrie’s stats that are the problem; it’s his effect on the team culture. Udoka is a good coach who could make this team a winner if he can reign in the nonsense. That nonsense starts with Kyrie, whose first public comments on the Nash hiring were that he didn’t really see the Nets “having a 'head’ coach. KD could be a head coach, I could be a head coach [some days].”
And that comment wasn’t as much prescient as it was indicative of the problem that would undermine Nash’s tenure. That attitude is what needs changing in Brooklyn, and that starts with Kyrie unlearning the idea that he doesn’t need a coach. In fact if any NBA star or any NBA team has ever needed good coaching it’s Kyrie and this Nets team. If they can accept that they could be great, but that acceptance needs to start with Kyrie, and if he’s not on board with that they will win more games by cutting him.
The TNT crew expressed great disappoinemt disappointment in this tonight. Among other things, said it’s a players’ league and the players have been very effective in their criticism of Silver when he’s stepped in it, of owners when they’ve stepped, but now that it’s a player—“one of their own—they’re quiet and it’s really disappointing to see.
The result was also the best offense of all time the year after they hired him and a team that likely wins a title if not for 2 major playoff injuries and KD's toe being an inch too long. Thinking that there's any way they win more games by cutting him is ridiculous.
How do you know his impact on team culture? The team let HIM be the one on the mic opening night to address the fans and the Griner situation.
By all accounts, the best player on the team tried to move on after Kyrie wasn't given a max extension (because KD wanted to keep playing with him and the team wouldn't commit)
Maybe Kyrie is beloved on the team, most players on the team share his opinions, but they aren't dumb (or talented) enough to Tweet about it?
Irving’s loathsome about-face on whether he wanted to re-sign with the Celtics was a springboard towards more volatile behavior. Quitting on his team in the playoffs would be downright charming compared to his current antics. -WEEI
He can kiss his Uncle Drew franchise goodbye. I'm not sure how people could find him humorous.
He can kiss his Uncle Drew franchise goodbye. I'm not sure how people could find him humorous.
According to the line of thinking that Kyrie promotes, when you control the media and banking, it’s easy to get courtside seats. Kudos to those fans for getting right in his face for his antisemitism. Hopefully someone will do that every game
Exactly. In his mind he's Jackie Robinson enduring the slurs of the oppressors.
There is obviously no way to know exactly his effect on the team culture and team culture’s effect on winning, but Kyrie’s public statements suggest he had no respect for Nash, and I’m guessing his private conversations weren’t better. The end result is a team who has appeared increasingly undisciplined and chaotic. Udoka’s primary goal will be to address that issue, and as their current record shows, a Nets team that doesn’t improve in that regard is not a good team.
Let’s remember, it’s not as if a team being better without Kyrie is some crazy idea - especially for Celtics fans. After all, the Cs were 14-8 in the 22 regular-season games that Kyrie missed in 2017-18 and 12-3 in the 15 regular-season performances he missed in 2018-19.
And the year the Celtics were without him for the Playoffs (2018) the team finished with a run to the Eastern Conference Finals. The following year, that same Cs team was led by Kyrie to an uninspired second round exit.
Even as recently as last year with the Nets, they have a much better record without him. And that doesn’t even get into the fact that Kyrie-led Nets teams have now lost six straight playoff games, or that the team has had a losing record when Kyrie is on the court for three of his four seasons in Brooklyn.
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If I am a reporter with a chance to question Kyrie I would ask him if the Holocaust actually happened.
Very disappointed in the NBA players. If Kyrie had tweeted something about Taiwan being a nice place LBJ would be publically telling him to choose his words more carefully.
Very disappointed in the NBA players. If Kyrie had tweeted something about Taiwan being a nice place LBJ would be publically telling him to choose his words more carefully.
I can't read it because I'm not a subscriber, but here's a tweet:
So who is he disappointed in? If Ime isn't on that list, he needs to reflect a bit.
I read the article. Smart does not come off bad in it. A lot of it is what it is kind of stuff.
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Unless it manifests itself in some negative way -- which I dont think will happen -- I dont see it as much of a problem that they still like the guy.
Ehh, I think it's kind of cool that they feel comfortable saying that. Plus, Jaylen's quote about Black coaches getting a chance is good.
This is why twitter should be blown to the moon. The whole Globe story is a bit more nuanced than that.
Yeah. And everyone here is essentially saying the same thing - "It doesn't make sense".
It makes sense because it appears what he did here is so bad that the Celtics don't care about him going to the Nets. They just want to be rid of him. To me, the Nets come off horribly here. If I were a female Nets employee, I'd be pissed off today.
What I mean is him being able to get a job so quickly doesn't make sense, not how the Celtics feel about it. That seems to be the sentiment here, no?
Cellar Door addressed this earlier as well, there are likely a larger number of players who buy into ideas that could fall under the broad category of black supremacist thought than we might think. The (crucially important and extremely complex) intellectual and cultural project of dismantling white supremacy in the US likely filters down through social media and YouTube videos to a kind of moron-tier identity politics for guys like Kyrie, who almost certainly believe things like "Black people can't be racist because white supremacy" and Jews are "white" so it doesn't count or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why you don't see more guys in the league challenging it, because they believe it as well.
It's the same thing with the Ime situation, I'm sure a number of NBA players don't think Ime did anything wrong if the relationship was "consensual" at some point, as if that's the only thing that matters in this situation. I'm not sure we can expect much better from guys who dropped out of college, especially the ones who come from working-class backgrounds. And, of course, they have media dipshits like Stephen A. Smith willing to make that argument as well.
He shouldn't be really getting another job that soon, but apparently the Nets don't care about what he did or the ramifications around it. Pretty sad day for that organization.
This is pretty offensive to people that didn't graduate college and came from working-class backgrounds.
I dropped out of high school, so I'm not shitting on anyone when I say that, but I'll take my medicine for phrasing that inarticulately. My apologies if anyone is offended by it. I'm not the type to go back and edit it out. The point I was making is that there's often a correlation between economic status, educational attainment, and social/political/cultural views.
It's a terrible post. Racism and antisemitism, and well - stupidity - aren't tied to status and/or education or the lack thereof. Plenty of hateful Ivy League, blue-blood dummies out there.
Tbf, Himmelsbach wrote both the story and the tweet, so he easily could have conveyed more nuance (even through light threading that didn't give away the story).
I find it amusing on NBA Countdown that they all seem to believe the Nets when they told them Kyrie is taking these few days away from the media to "educate himself." They brought up groups that would, you know, actually teaching him, but I bet Kyrie is more likely going to find "facts" that support his post
It’s great that after 6 years in Boston and NYC, Kyrie finally has the opportunity to talk to some Jewish people.
Kyrie and ADL just put out a joint statement saying that Kyrie and the Nets are both making $1m donation?
Eh
Making it de facto a part of ESPN’s pregame show… falls kinda flat for me. I’ll have to read it and think about it… but obviously not gonna do that now. Which seems like part of the point.
Edit: Had the amount wrong.
Eh
Making it de facto a part of ESPN’s pregame show… falls kinda flat for me. I’ll have to read it and think about it… but obviously not gonna do that now. Which seems like part of the point.
Edit: Had the amount wrong.
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