Kyrie is an antisemite. And we have schadenfreude?

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A couple of things in no particular order.


Having said all of that, the one really fascinating question that could throw this all into chaos (but won't be asked or answered by either side) - did Kryie really watch the movie? Because if he did and he liked it, wow that's a whole different enchilada.

I found it really interesting that in McCollum’s defense of Kyrie he specifically noted that Kyrie DID NOT watch the movie while Kyrie has continued to claim he did watch the movie.

Id bet a lot of money that he didn’t watch it
 

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I found it really interesting that in McCollum’s defense of Kyrie he specifically noted that Kyrie DID NOT watch the movie while Kyrie has continued to claim he did watch the movie.

Id bet a lot of money that he didn’t watch it
Yeah, earlier in the thread there was a guy who actually watched the movie who wrote an article about it and he was pretty convinced that Kyrie didn't watch the movie. I think he said it's like a 3 hour movie too.If Kyrie did watch the movie, I'm sure he wasn't paying very much attention to it.
 

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Meh. Jaylen is doing his job as a union rep to protect the players Union. I don’t think he really has an option but to protect the players from future team-imposed penalties that may or may not be related to this issue. It’s either stand up for the Union or step down. He’s in an awkward and probably uncomfortable spot.

Edit: Was catching up on thread and didn’t see this was already addressed. Carry on
This is a false binary. Jaylen and the Union could have defended against the punishment without denying and downplaying Kyrie’s antisemitism. They chose to do the latter, and it betrays either a callous disregard of how serious an issue antisemitism and the hate speech Kyrie promoted is or something much worse. Neither is acceptable.
 

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This is a false binary. Jaylen and the Union could have defended against the punishment without denying and downplaying Kyrie’s antisemitism. They chose to do the latter, and it betrays either a callous disregard of how serious an issue antisemitism and the hate speech Kyrie promoted is or something much worse. Neither is acceptable.
The only regard the union has it to protect its members from any future leverage the owners would have and would absolutely take advantage of in the future. This is all about the game of leverage and nothing to do with the underlying social issue.
 

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The only regard the union has it to protect its members from any future leverage the owners would have and would absolutely take advantage of in the future. This is all about the game of leverage and nothing to do with the underlying social issue.
I tend to think people have an independent obligation (as humans, not legal) not to propagate, endorse, or support hate speech. I also would hope that to the extent the players and the union think it’s better business for them to deny antisemitism rather than confront it (or at least avoid denial) that people who do not want to be associated with express or tacit support and endorsement of hate speech would prove them wrong. I’m probably wrong in that hope, but as I indicated earlier, this is important enough that I’m not going to just keep watching games and supporting the Celtics while their team is comprised of players who publicly state that they believe promoting Holocaust denial, among other things, is not antisemitic and is the sort of thing a person can just accidentally do as an “honest mistake.”

I’m frankly somewhat surprised at the resistance here on this. I definitely understand why others will choose not to follow my path. It’s going to really suck not being able to watch and root for this team, and I’m pretty miserable about feeling like I cannot. But there are lines I cannot cross, and supporting or aligning myself with those who think it’s ok, or at least not a big deal, to express hatred toward me and my family is very much one of those lines.

This is probably my last post on this here. I’m sure the rest of you want to move on, and I’m not going to stand in the way of that. I’ll still be following this thread for at least a little bit, and I am also happy to engage on this further via DMs if anyone wants to.
 

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EDIT: Fooled by a Twitter parody account. It’s amazing what eight dollars a month can buy nowadays
 

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LeBron says Kyrie has served enough time.
View: https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1590781220623118336

I told you guys that I don’t believe in sharing hurtful information. And I’ll continue to be that way but Kyrie apologized and he should be able to play. That’s what I think. It’s that simple. Help him learn- but he should be playing. What he’s asked to do to get back on
the floor I think is excessive IMO. He’s not the person that’s being portrayed of him. Anyways back to my rehab session.
 

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The Nets are playing well. They will be on a 15 game winning streak when Kyrie comes back, lose by 20 to Orlando, and then he will say post-game the Nuremberg trials were a miscarriage of justice.
 

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JB asks an interesting question of evolving corporate social responsibility and whether it should address perceived prejudice which he may not either feel or perceive.

Perhaps a different perspective is required to see the offensive and prejudicial actions and JB should ask why is this Knight different from all other Knights?
 

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View: https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1590866401354739713

NEW: In sit down, Adam Silver discusses Kyrie Irving. Says Irving isn't antisemitic and that the criticism for the league's delay in disciplining him "may be fair." Also says, the Nets and league are working w/ Irving on "what remediation is appropriate."
Silver was obliquely critical of Amazon for hosting the documentary, but also said Irving's post was "damaging."
Silver said that as far as the Nets terms to bring back Irving, "It is being discussed at this time." "...the Nets are looking to make this into a partnership between them and Kyrie as to what remediation is appropriate."
 

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JB asks an interesting question of evolving corporate social responsibility and whether it should address perceived prejudice which he may not either feel or perceive.

Perhaps a different perspective is required to see the offensive and prejudicial actions and JB should ask why is this Knight different from all other Knights?
Who are 3 people who have not been at my Seder table?
 

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This is a false binary. Jaylen and the Union could have defended against the punishment without denying and downplaying Kyrie’s antisemitism. They chose to do the latter, and it betrays either a callous disregard of how serious an issue antisemitism and the hate speech Kyrie promoted is or something much worse. Neither is acceptable.
The union has a legal duty to provide fair representation to Kyrie, which encompasses disagreeing with the subjective degree and specific nature of the particular wrongdoing, and not merely the level of punishment for it.

This is basically why unions exist.
 
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Any chance this is just someone who paid $8 for a blue checkmark in order to impersonate Jaylen? I love that I can credibly ask this question.
 

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I mean, the commissioner (who is Jewish) has come out and said he doesn't think Kyrie is antisemitic. Lebron, who is generally respected as being a voice of tolerance, has said the same. And, there is pretty widespread criticism that the "Here is a somewhat arbitrary list of things management wants you to do before you can play basketball again" is not a best practice from a labor perspective here.

Why are you dinging Jaylen here?
 

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It's very possible for both of these things to be true:

-Kyrie amplified anti-semitic views and should be punished
-The punishment is too strict

It's not surprising that Kyrie has to pay an asshole tax (ultimately he's being punished not just for the tweet but for taking a week to really apologize for it and remove it), and it's equally unsurprising that a VP in the union is defending him.
 

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The Nets are bound by the CBA, and union reps like Jaylen Brown have a legal duty to be vigilant in defending Kyrie if they feel the Nets are overstepping bounds. The NFL PA defended Aaron Hernandez when the Pats released him.
 

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The Nets are bound by the CBA, and union reps like Jaylen Brown have a legal duty to be vigilant in defending Kyrie if they feel the Nets are overstepping bounds. The NFL PA defended Aaron Hernandez when the Pats released him.
Definitely true, I'm not at all surprised the players association is defending Kyrie.

It also feels fair to be annoyed that Jaylen feels obligated to be the social media mouthpiece in support of him.
 

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Definitely true, I'm not at all surprised the players association is defending Kyrie.

It also feels fair to be annoyed that Jaylen feels obligated to be the social media mouthpiece in support of him.
Jaylen has to protect his platform.

Sighs.
 

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Definitely true, I'm not at all surprised the players association is defending Kyrie.

It also feels fair to be annoyed that Jaylen feels obligated to be the social media mouthpiece in support of him.
Fair, but Brown is a member of the Executive Committee, as is Kyrie. So he will be more vocal.
 

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Fair, but Brown is a member of the Executive Committee, as is Kyrie. So he will be more vocal.
Are McCollum, Iguodala, Barnes, Biyonmbo, Brogdon, GWill, and Temple tweeting out similar support for Kyrie/disgust with the process? Genuine question, I don't really know.

The point is the NBPA can do it's job without having Jaylen individually support Kyrie. I'm sure he isn't alone, but it does feel like an attempt to minimize the transgression (or even worse, potentially sympathizes with the message) to some degree.
 

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When all is said and done
Jaylen has beliefs
Most NBA players have none
He seems like a smart guy, I appreciate his activism, and I probably should cut him more slack for his “questionable” beliefs/tweets.

I think we just don’t want to see it trend toward Kyrie-land, though perhaps part of that is scar tissue after living through the Kyrie experience.

Perhaps more importantly, why is he so mediocre on defense? Poor instincts and loafing 80% of the time aren’t doing his overall value any favors.
 

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How about "The views expressed in the video linked by Kyrie are reprehensible, and we firmly denounce those viewpoints. That said, we are concerned about the severity of the suspension for simply referring to a video without comment"? or something like that. Doesn't seem that hard a stance to take.
 

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Are McCollum, Iguodala, Barnes, Biyonmbo, Brogdon, GWill, and Temple tweeting out similar support for Kyrie/disgust with the process? Genuine question, I don't really know.

The point is the NBPA can do it's job without having Jaylen individually support Kyrie. I'm sure he isn't alone, but it does feel like an attempt to minimize the transgression (or even worse, potentially sympathizes with the message) to some degree.
Not all leadership is created equal. I read this as Jaylen stepping up when others haven’t as a sign of his power and his leadership in the union and not necessarily supporting Kyrie’s positions. From a Union perspective he’s not wrong and is speaking up as a leader.
 
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Referring to the "common public" is just the kind of holier than thou reference that his buddy Kyrie would make.

You mean the fans whose dollars fuel the NBA and your contract, you ungrateful fuck?
 

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I think it curious that JB wants to ask Tsai, "what do you mean by Kyrie has more work to do to absolve himself of the taint of prejudice, yet he seems unable to ask Kyrie the same question.

What did you mean by posting a link to a film promoting anti-semitic sentiments.

The best Jaylen can come up with is "I don't think he meant any harm".

Asking as a member of the common public, what did he fucking mean Jaylen?
 

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as mentioned before, he may be doing his role as VP of the NBAPA.

I'd rather the players let us know where they stand on issues than just shut up and play.
This seems to be going beyond his role in the players association though. For others have pointed out we don't hear others in leadership position calling out an owner
 

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This seems to be going beyond his role in the players association though. For others have pointed out we don't hear others in leadership position calling out an owner
I would be surprised if the NBPA's professional staff/counsel would support or encourage the kind of statements Jaylen has been making. This is not a battle you want to fight in public. Nor is it one you to take to an arbitrator. You try to settle this on a no-precedent basis.

Everyone knows the "bad facts make bad law" maxim. Kyrie's post and disastrous press conference are the epitome of bad facts. A union is entitled (indeed even obligated) to make decisions on what is based for the membership as a whole, not on the interests of any given member. If the NBPA were inclined to fight whether a member's social media activity or statements on non-basketball matters can form the basis for discipline - Kyrie is not your test case (I struggle to think of a worse potential witness).
 

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Seems like a whole lot of whataboutism from JB. Yes, society has work to do. I’m sure Tsai does too. But that’s not the discussion and the way society improves is by holding Kyrie accountable for antisemitism.

This is childish “Johnny’s parents let him play video games during the week” logic.