I know nothing about helicopters, but looking up his model, it appears it could. Just from looking at the pictures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-76
Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
- Thread starter glennhoffmania
- Start date
I know nothing about helicopters, but looking up his model, it appears it could. Just from looking at the pictures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-76
Based on that Daily Beast article being circulated on here, he did not actually admit it (he may well have done it - just saying he said it was consensual while apologizing)
I don’t know what your definition of rape is - but when one person doesn’t consent, that’s pretty clearly rape.
Both people have to consent for sex for it not to be not sex.
Or do you not get that?
Should people wait until the uninformed or willfully ignorant are no longer paying attention?
no, he clearly says that he acknowledges that she did not consent.
Which is....
rape.
No no guys. Listen.
Kobe didn’t admit to raping her.
He admitting that for her, the sex wasn’t consensual. But for him it was, so that’s totally not rape.
Kobe didn’t admit to raping her.
He admitting that for her, the sex wasn’t consensual. But for him it was, so that’s totally not rape.
Bumps and bruises along the way but we are getting there. Took Rev’s words from beyond the grave to get us there though.
Hope he is happy wherever he is. I am all for his mental health and stability but I don’t think that fucker thought enough about us.
Nah. Seats are seats. Adult or child you’re only going to have one body per designated seat.
I think we just need to quote this on every page, over and over again
If you can't read that as non-consensual on her part, what the actual fuck
The wreckage is still smoldering.
I hope they died quick and as painlessly as possible and didn’t burn to death trapped in a crashed helicopter.
I hope they died quick and as painlessly as possible and didn’t burn to death trapped in a crashed helicopter.
Well, for some they'll take it as he tried to mean it: that he thought it was consensual at the time.
It's bullshit weasel-words, but it's the needle he tried to thread (as do many, even here obviously).
It's also why pushing affirmative consent as a concept is important.
He literally said on his statement that he believe it to be consensual. I’m not saying I believe him, but it’s right there in the article.
“ Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.”
Agree, @Marciano490’s comments are spot on here.
@crow216, my problem with this is that while I agree with all that, Kobe never owned his actions here. He issued a statement saying he didn’t realize it wasn’t consensual in her mind, had his lawyer ruin his accuser and—frankly—didn’t really pay a price for what he did.
Don’t get me wrong, he was def. one of the greatest ever. But whatever else he did on the court, that pretty much colored everything Kobe did for me. And I’m slightly sad that it didn’t color more people’s views of Kobe. It should’ve.
I know, it's ridiculous
Mostly because people post after reading a post or two and figure they have something new to say
Which I've already pointed out in this thread
yea dude. That’s rape.
You need BOTH PEOPLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AFFIRMATIVE CONSENT. Him saying “I recognize she did not” is his way of saying “yes, according to the law and common sense and most importantly her - I raped her.”
Indeed though we should expect nothing less. And its why voices like luckysox need to be heard - the guy was a very complicated person with a very complicated legacy.
This is a messagebard. If people want hagiography, they need only to tune into ESPN or the other major news outlets. Meanwhile we should be discussing the guy, good and bad, here.
He says it was consensual. She said it wasn’t.
I believe her over him when I read that article, but the certainty with which you say it makes it seem like you were there. You weren’t.
Kobe Bryant aside, because sorry I can’t feel bad for rich guys dying doing rich guy stuff. If that’s indeed his private helicopter, 9 people are dead because he didn’t want to sit in traffic. listening to the fire chief, I feel horrible for the other 7 people that died in that crash and that their families found out they died on TMZ, and all the headlines are basically saying “Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and 7 other non important humanoids die in helicopter crash.” They couldn’t even get the damn number right.
No he didn't.
"As long as I believe it to be consensual, I can have sex with whoever I want."
I was never a fan of Kobe. Part of it was the Lakers, part of it the rape.
That said, it’s sad to see his passing and even worse that his daughter passed away too. This hits close to home for me. Kobe and his daughter shared a passion for the game. I have that in common with Kobe. My daughter has played since she was 5 and now plays in HS. I’ve taken her to many games, practices, etc albeit never by helicopter. It hits close to home that they died going to one of her games together.
That said, it’s sad to see his passing and even worse that his daughter passed away too. This hits close to home for me. Kobe and his daughter shared a passion for the game. I have that in common with Kobe. My daughter has played since she was 5 and now plays in HS. I’ve taken her to many games, practices, etc albeit never by helicopter. It hits close to home that they died going to one of her games together.
The 24 second violation is a thing for all of the NBA teams. Expect more of these as the schedule rolls along the next few days.
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1221572366888833027?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1221572366888833027?s=20
According to this Kobe owned aSikorsky S-76B which has a 13 passenger capacity. Supposedly the helicopter they were on today was his.
I think I see the argument. It is not a perfectly straight line between what he said and an admission of rape, the crime, I suppose.
He seemed to be saying that while he now recognizes she didn’t consent, he didn’t know it at the time, and thus did not have the criminal intent to commit the crime of rape.
It’s a lawyerly response. And a semantic argument. At a minimum even taking his distinction seriously, he was reckless about whether had consent.
And all irrelevant because he is full of shit. The notion that while was she was being violently assaulted, without, he now admits, consent, she didn’t at least once manifest her lack of consent, is dumb.
tl/dr — his statement makes clear he raped her
Why's it matter what he think he did or didn't do? He probably truly believed it was consensual. It doesn't mean it wasn't rape.
I guess you are more or less just referring to his comments though.
She had choke marks on her neck.
An officer said she was attractive, and Kobe went out of his way to say she wasn’t.
Kobe ejaculated on a t shirt, then flung it at the investigating officer’s face.
He also complained how hard the year had been for him before acknowledging the woman’s suffering.
The dude called his wife earlier in the night to say he was going to bed early because he knew he was having sex with the woman no matter what.
An officer said she was attractive, and Kobe went out of his way to say she wasn’t.
Kobe ejaculated on a t shirt, then flung it at the investigating officer’s face.
He also complained how hard the year had been for him before acknowledging the woman’s suffering.
The dude called his wife earlier in the night to say he was going to bed early because he knew he was having sex with the woman no matter what.
I have no interest in re-litigating the original rape case. People can look back into it, and draw their own conclusions. I know mine. But the idea that bringing it up as part of his legacy is somehow out of bounds, is absurd. And the way one of our very few female posters was attacked for even daring to interrupt the love fest was gross and embarrassing. That’s really what the firestorm is all about. We’ve made big strides on decreasing the misogyny on this site. Let’s not go backwards.
Who is the biggest asshole in the league? I hope that player scores. Westbrook, maybe?
The girl went to the police the next day.
Kobe later admitted that for her it wasn’t consensual.
Unless you want a camera that shows him doing it while screaming “I’m raping you and I’m a celebrity so I’ll get away with it.” I’m not sure what more you need.
When I have consensual sex I often leave a number of internal lacerations that are too many to count. This is fucking ridiculous.
If I don’t see a crime being committed, then how can I really say it happened definitively?
We could all be in the Matrix, or the eye of a blue-eyed giant.
We could all be in the Matrix, or the eye of a blue-eyed giant.
I actually think Kobe would be a guy who would struggle with this the most.
It's my understanding that in heli crashes like this people are generally reduced to- and excuse the phrasing, it's from a buddy in the Marines- "meat soup".
The issue of the level of intent to commit rape in a court of law is complicated. But this is a rabbit hole not worthy of the thread.
The statement makes it clear he did it. So do the facts.