Kemba Walker to Boston

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Personally I’m bullish on Gordo.

However, if the Celtics were trying to trade me Gordo, I would run away. The Cs have the most info and if they want to dump him that would keep me away.
 

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didn't Kyrie waive his no-trade clause to go to Boston...that makes it 3.5

put that in your pipe AD and smoke it!
no, Kyrie didn't have a no trade, there are basically none in the NBA right now. He did waive a $5.8M trade kicker to get it done, but he was probably going to do that anywhere
 

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As far as I can tell that wouldn't work under the cap. New Orleans is going to struggle to get over 30M in cap space (and even if they did I can't imagine they intend to pay Al more than 30m a year) so add Yabu and you're at about 33.2M outgoing, so the max they can take back is 45.25M. Given Kemba's max and Williams' salary the Celtics would need to add another 2.5-3M to the trade.

edit- probably need to add even more because based on rumors Al is looking at the 26-29M range for year 1.
Kemba will be base year compensation. He'll only count as 16.35M as incoming salary
 

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Kemba will be base year compensation. He'll only count as 16.35M as incoming salary
Oh man, I forgot exactly how little he made this past year. Yeah that works under the cap then, question will be if the other teams are interested.
 

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Kemba will be base year compensation. He'll only count as 16.35M as incoming salary
Oh man, I forgot exactly how little he made this past year. Yeah that works under the cap then, question will be if the other teams are interested.
nevermind, I was right in the first place, BYC is for outgoing, BYC players count at the full new salary for matching purposes for the team receiving them:
see #93 on Coon's CBA FAQ http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
also: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/05/hoops-rumors-glossary-base-year-compensation.html
 

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Just saw a tweet reminding me that UConn beat Brad Stevens to win the title in 2011.
 

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nevermind, I was right in the first place, BYC is for outgoing, BYC players count at the full new salary for matching purposes for the team receiving them:
see #93 on Coon's CBA FAQ http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
also: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/05/hoops-rumors-glossary-base-year-compensation.html
You're right, I calculated it backwards.

Think it would work if I scratched out Marvin Williams and changed deal to...

Boston receives Kemba Walker
New Orleans receives Al Horford and a second round pick from Boston
Charlotte receives second round pick from Boston & 2010 2nd rounder Latavious Williams from New Orleans(a zero just to satisfy NBA touch rule, could be replaced with Tony Carr)

So Charlotte and New Orleans get free second round picks from Boston, Charlotte also gets a massive trade exception, Boston gives up two 2nd rounders to remain an over the cap team to use their exceptions and/or Bird rights to fill out their roster.
 

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Really weird that our inside source with insight into the minds of both Kemba and Jordan was wrong?
 

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Signing Walker is fantastic. Looking forward to the season. NBA offseason continues to entertain. I don’t think Danny is done.
He’d better not be since he will still need a few guys just to fill out the roster.
 

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He’d better not be since he will still need a few guys just to fill out the roster.
Agree. I don’t know how much cap space is still available but they definitely still need a big man. The is and TL are not going to cut it as the only options at the five.
 

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Last three seasons, Kemba vs. Kyrie:

Kemba: 34.9 min, 18.1 fga, 43.4% fg, 37.7% 3pt, 85.1% ft, 51.3% efg, 23.0 pts, 4.0 reb, 5.5 ast, 1.3 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.3 to, 113 ORtg, 112 DRtg
Kyrie: 33.5 min, 18.8 fga, 48.3% fg, 40.3% 3pt, 89.1% ft, 55.2% efg, 24.5 pts, 4.0 reb, 6.0 ast, 1.3 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.5 to, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Kyrie gets the slight edge offensively, but it's actually pretty close. Kemba gets the slight edge defensively, but it's pretty close.

I think it's a slight step down in talent, but Kemba's actual production is very very similar to Kyrie's. The question is whether Kemba's character and locker room presence will be a net benefit compared with Kyrie's. If it's better, he may be able to help the other guys improve; Kyrie didn't seem to be able to do that, given the Celtics' dysfunction (not blaming it all on Kyrie but clearly he was part of the problem).
 

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Last three seasons, Kemba vs. Kyrie:

Kemba: 34.9 min, 18.1 fga, 43.4% fg, 37.7% 3pt, 85.1% ft, 51.3% efg, 23.0 pts, 4.0 reb, 5.5 ast, 1.3 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.3 to, 113 ORtg, 112 DRtg
Kyrie: 33.5 min, 18.8 fga, 48.3% fg, 40.3% 3pt, 89.1% ft, 55.2% efg, 24.5 pts, 4.0 reb, 6.0 ast, 1.3 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.5 to, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Kyrie gets the slight edge offensively, but it's actually pretty close. Kemba gets the slight edge defensively, but it's pretty close.

I think it's a slight step down in talent, but Kemba's actual production is very very similar to Kyrie's. The question is whether Kemba's character and locker room presence will be a net benefit compared with Kyrie's. If it's better, he may be able to help the other guys improve; Kyrie didn't seem to be able to do that, given the Celtics' dysfunction (not blaming it all on Kyrie but clearly he was part of the problem).
Kemba's counting stats are far less relevant than the fact that he took a team with middling to poor talent to a decent offense last year. The Hornets were just behind Boston in ORtg iirc, with far inferior offensive players.

I also think that Kemba's style on offense is a better fit for Stevens and the other players on the roster. He's better off-ball, has a ton of gravity, and stretches the defense more from 3. Kyrie has the talent to do all of that, but it always felt somewhat awkward for whatever reason.
 

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If a team is going to lose an all NBA player for no compensation, and it can reload with a similar player using cap space, that's a good save. Unfortunately, it had to result in losing Horford too. If Kyrie was moved last year for Kemba, for example, they probably would have paid AL.

As a season ticket holder, I look forward to seeing a team that wants to play together. This past season was stone garbage.
 

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I also think that Kemba's style on offense is a better fit for Stevens and the other players on the roster. He's better off-ball, has a ton of gravity, and stretches the defense more from 3.
Not sure what has a ton of gravity means. Maybe a typo?

Kemba also seems to be more durable than Kyrie. Kemba has played in 81, 79, 80 and 82 games over the past four seasons. Kyrie has averaged 63 games per season over that time period. Of course past injury history is not necessarily an indicator of future performance however if Kemba stays healthy and on the court for more games he may be able to influence more wins than Kyrie did in Boston.
 

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Not sure what has a ton of gravity means. Maybe a typo?

Kemba also seems to be more durable than Kyrie. Kemba has played in 81, 79, 80 and 82 games over the past four seasons. Kyrie has averaged 63 games per season over that time period. Of course past injury history is not necessarily an indicator of future performance however if Kemba stays healthy and on the court for more games he may be able to influence more wins than Kyrie did in Boston.
I mean that he attracts a lot of attention beyond the 3 point line because he can launch in tight spaces.
 

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I mean that he attracts a lot of attention beyond the 3 point line because he can launch in tight spaces.
The interesting thing is that he doesn't shoot the deep 3. For him it is all about the launching in tight spaces (and control his momentum).
 

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Thanks all. Should cross post to the Things you only learned recently thread.

Gravity seems to be a trait that Kemba and Kyrie share. Should be fun to watch.
 

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Free agent Kemba Walker has agreed to sign a four-year, $141M maximum contract to join the Boston Celtics, Excel Sports agent Jeff Schwartz tells ESPN.
 

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So does this mean the sign-and-trade is off? Or is “finalize deal” just shorthand for “finalize terms Charlotte will give him before trading him to Boston”?
I assume it means finalize terms and agree to the S&T, none of this stuff can actually be processed until July 6 anyway
 

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I assume it means finalize terms and agree to the S&T, none of this stuff can actually be processed until July 6 anyway
Right. I know it’s been said before but NBA free agency with the various deadlines, moratoriums, and whatnot is really dumb (as is having the draft before free agency so the rookies have to be announced as being drafted by teams they’ll never speak to).
 

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Kemba on SportsCenter now, says going from Charlotte to Boston is like going from a boy to a man.
Wants to be able to compete at the highest level and get to an opportunity to make a run in the playoffs.
When you think of the Celtics, you think of Championships and winning.
 

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Kemba on SportsCenter now, says going from Charlotte to Boston is like going from a boy to a man.
Wants to be able to compete at the highest level and get to an opportunity to make a run in the playoffs.
When you think of the Celtics, you think of Championships and winning.
It's hard not to be excited about him, watching him speak
 

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Kemba on SportsCenter now, says going from Charlotte to Boston is like going from a boy to a man.
Wants to be able to compete at the highest level and get to an opportunity to make a run in the playoffs.
When you think of the Celtics, you think of Championships and winning.
Hearing this stuff it makes you realize how little gravitas MJ has as an owner and executive. No one wants to play for the GOAT. So weird.