Just for fun: Drake Maye for Trevor Lawrence….
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It's not a terrible question. I'm a no, because I'm not sold on Lawrence and that contract is huge. I'd rather be not sold on a guy on a rookie deal.
This is where I am but I thought about it for a bit. There is a world where Lawrence gets the right level of coaching and supporting cast and he thrives. But I think it's several years away for this NE team. May as well build around Maye at a far cheaper price.
Wait for him to get dumped by the Jags and pick him up for nothing. The new market inefficiency seems to be highly drafted guys who sucked for their first team and sign with a functional organization as free agents.
Zero chance I'm giving Trevor Lawrence 275 million dollars right now, especially when you have someone like Maye on a rookie deal.
If the Jags dump him...I mean maybe. It really depends on what his market is, but I still love Maye on a long-term rookie deal.
If the Jags dump him...I mean maybe. It really depends on what his market is, but I still love Maye on a long-term rookie deal.
Besides the money side of things, would Lawrence going to YET ANOTHER offensive system help his development? He is still relatively young, and may be broken for the time being. I could see him biding some time before jumping to a team in his late 20s/early 30s and being a late bloomer. I'm thinking Alex Smith after leaving SF (hopefully without the injury). Maybe on a more affordable contract, but taking on his current money even if he increases production somewhat is tough to justify.
Good QB on a rookie deal is the biggest market advantage in the league so I'd only trade that for a clear upgrade (like Burrow or something ridiculous), not Lawrence.
True, though Pederson wouldn't commit to Lawrence after the game.
The big issue is they've given Lawrence 200 million guaranteed. They really can't do much anything, unless they're committing to a 4 year rebuild. They're basically in the same position as the Dolphins, though the Dolphins have elite talent all around the field on offense outside the QB spot.
What is wrong with Burrow? 70.9% completion, 746 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, 7.3 Y/A, 7.32 ANY/A, 107.5 rating
You wouldn't trade Maye for Burrow?
He's had his ups and downs early this season with the Higgins and Chase drama but yeah, I wouldn't lose much sleep over that trade.
No because I think the league is moving more and more to guys who win out of structure and Trevor is not that kind of guy. There are millions of other reasons why not to do this too. I would be shocked if more than like 1-2% of us would say yes...
is this like an actual trade where the guarantees don’t carry over to the new teams cap or more like swap their contracts too?
I'd do it. I like Maye a lot as a prospect, but Lawrence has show when healthy he can be a good NFL QB, he's only 25 and I'd be getting him on this....
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Yeah, I probably would, I guess I just don't see at the ridiculous level.
He just appears off to me this season from what I have watched. Although that is probably a result of his team being boiled ass.
I might consider not doing it just because of the nature of Burrow and this roster. He's taken 8 sacks and fumbled 3 times this season in 3 games behind a much better O-line. He's a good QB, but he has always taken WAY too many sacks for pressure rate, and it has led to lots of injuries. He'd last maybe 2 games behind this line given his historical pressure to sack ratio.
Lawrence is really struggling right now. They havent won a game he started since last November, and he has a ton of fumbles and Ints in that stretch. even with the low base salary numbers over the next few years i would not sign up for that extension.
I really liked him coming out of college, I hope he can find his 2022 form somehow (except against the Pats). That comeback win against the Chargers in the playoffs was an all time fun non-Pats game.
I really liked him coming out of college, I hope he can find his 2022 form somehow (except against the Pats). That comeback win against the Chargers in the playoffs was an all time fun non-Pats game.
Unless you are particularly high on Lawrence as a top 5-8 QB in the league (I am not), there is no reason to be for this trade. He is expensive and has had a lot of chance to improve, but he hasn't.
Maye's floor is definitely lower, but at this point he has bigger uncertainty on his upside (a good thing). I'd take the X% chance a cheap Maye has to become elite over the dwindling Y% chance an expensive Lawrence will.
Maye's floor is definitely lower, but at this point he has bigger uncertainty on his upside (a good thing). I'd take the X% chance a cheap Maye has to become elite over the dwindling Y% chance an expensive Lawrence will.
He's dirt cheap actually which should be a consideration, and his floor is solid NFL starter. Even in his worst stretch he's still not one of the worst starters in the league.
I think you’re missing the huge Option bonuses. Wouldn’t the team taking him on be responsible for those?
Whatever team that, three years from now, has a functional organization but no QB. Probably not us, but you never know.
Option bonuses don't transfer, they are owed by the original team at the time they trade or release a player. An example is Wentz, when the Eagles traded him they had to eat the $30M in remaining option bonus.
Right - I think this is one of those magical hypotheticals where you swap out one player for the other with the contracts, again, magically transferring. I think? The issue with this prompt is that it has hardly any structure to it. Sorry, SJM, nothing personal but you didn't exactly do a lot to outline how this would work.
Yeah, I wouldn't want Lawrence on his current deal likely, just because it is huge and I don't know how bad they broke him, but an actual trade where JAX eats the $125M cap hit? Sure sign me up.
Even setting aside the financials, I don’t see why the Pats would do this. I get that Maye is a total unknown but Lawrence hasn’t exactly been an elite QB
and the things that his supporters use to justify his fairly mediocre (sometimes very good, sometimes bad) performance would be an issue in new england
terrible OL, maybe one of the few receiving groups worse than what he has had in Jacksonville, a defensive minded head coach and an OC who is hardly a creative genius. A total rebuild that is years from fielding the type of offense that you could plug him into and feel like he would blossom (or develop consistency at the highest level he’s demonstrated)
There’s a good chance Maye never reaches the level Lawrence is at today but I don’t think there’s any chance Lawrence could elevate himself in New England throwing to Polk and Douglas behind a Swiss cheese line. if anything, I think he would regress even further.
and the things that his supporters use to justify his fairly mediocre (sometimes very good, sometimes bad) performance would be an issue in new england
terrible OL, maybe one of the few receiving groups worse than what he has had in Jacksonville, a defensive minded head coach and an OC who is hardly a creative genius. A total rebuild that is years from fielding the type of offense that you could plug him into and feel like he would blossom (or develop consistency at the highest level he’s demonstrated)
There’s a good chance Maye never reaches the level Lawrence is at today but I don’t think there’s any chance Lawrence could elevate himself in New England throwing to Polk and Douglas behind a Swiss cheese line. if anything, I think he would regress even further.
Lawrence did a weird spin move in the pocket at the end of the game yesterday which made me think maybe his head is a little iffy. I’d rather dream on a blank slate.
Lawrence is living off a second half stretch from 2 seasons ago where his team played a super soft schedule and he parlayed it into a monster contract. They rattled off some wins heading into the offseason and everyone was ready to watch him make the leap. It never happened. It won't ever happen.
Pass on Lawrence.
Pass on Lawrence.