Jurassic World 3: Where the Dinosaurs have Quad Injuries and Hate Their Shoe Deals

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Man, Shams totally clowned Woj there, didn't he?

I guess we'll know by Thursday how the meeting went.
 

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Yeah no thanks on trading anyone (major) on the roster for him:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard
Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.
I wonder if this is why PG is now more strongly considering reupping in OKC for the year. Maybe the super team gets delayed a year and LeBron does the same.
 

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I’d still be fine with giving the Spurs Rozier and the Sac pick for 1 year of Kawhi under Stevens tutelage on a championship caliber roster playing in Boston in front of a rabid fanbase and letting the chips fall where they may. No way I would do Jaylan or Kyrie for him — but Rozier and the pick is worth it IMO.
 

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I’d still be fine with giving the Spurs Rozier and the Sac pick for 1 year of Kawhi under Stevens tutelage on a championship caliber roster playing in Boston in front of a rabid fanbase and letting the chips fall where they may. No way I would do Jaylan or Kyrie for him — but Rozier and the pick is worth it IMO.
You have to come up with an additional 14 million in salary to make a trade if Rozier and Kawhi are the centerpieces of the deal
 

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I’d still be fine with giving the Spurs Rozier and the Sac pick for 1 year of Kawhi under Stevens tutelage on a championship caliber roster playing in Boston in front of a rabid fanbase and letting the chips fall where they may. No way I would do Jaylan or Kyrie for him — but Rozier and the pick is worth it IMO.
I would never do that deal for a rental not to mention the numbers aren't even close. First off, if a Kawhi deal ever was done (hypothetical as I don't feel Ainge would make a realistic offer to the Spurs) it would have to include Morris, both for his salary as well as his role essentially being eliminated. I honestly feel that the offer Ainge made at the deadline last winter was Morris and salary filler along with maybe a low 1st. That's the price for a rental.
 

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You have to come up with an additional 14 million in salary to make a trade if Rozier and Kawhi are the centerpieces of the deal
Yes, my point was more a response to not giving up anything of value now knowing that Kawhi only wants to play for the Lakers and will go there regardless in 2019. They could make it work with a sign-n-trade or whatever — the picks and anyone other than the core of KI-JL-JT-GH-AH, I would still do it.
 

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I would never do that deal for a rental not to mention the numbers aren't even close. First off, if a Kawhi deal ever was done (hypothetical as I don't feel Ainge would make a realistic offer to the Spurs) it would have to include Morris, both for his salary as well as his role essentially being eliminated. I honestly feel that the offer Ainge made at the deadline last winter was Morris and salary filler along with maybe a low 1st. That's the price for a rental.
I would be totally fine with Rozier/Morris/Smart for Kawhi. The dude is a top 5 player — one year rental or not — it makes the Celtics the favorite. . . . In the NBA.
 

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End of the day, the guy wants to be in LA. He has a decent chance of landing there this offseason if the Spurs play ball with the Lakers. If not, the Clippers will have cap space next summer and could easily sign him then, which actually would be better for the Celtics’ pick situation.

I love Kawhi as a player but no chance I trade anything of value for him. Philly is in a much more precarious spot. They lost in 5 games to the Celtics without Kyrie and Hayward and may be on the outside looking in for all their big targets.
 

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I would never do that deal for a rental not to mention the numbers aren't even close. First off, if a Kawhi deal ever was done (hypothetical as I don't feel Ainge would make a realistic offer to the Spurs) it would have to include Morris, both for his salary as well as his role essentially being eliminated. I honestly feel that the offer Ainge made at the deadline last winter was Morris and salary filler along with maybe a low 1st. That's the price for a rental.
There is zero chance that Kawhi goes for something as small as a Morris type and a low first round pick. Some team will think they can either 1) make a deep run in the playoffs thus making it worth it even if he leaves, or 2) be convinced that they can sign him long term
 

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I would be totally fine with Rozier/Morris/Smart for Kawhi. The dude is a top 5 player — one year rental or not — it makes the Celtics the favorite. . . . In the NBA.
Smart is a FA.....he would have to choose San Antonio and they would have to make him a significant offer to beat teams like the Nets, Knicks, and Mavs as well as others.

Kawhi WAS a Top-5 player, we don't know what he'll look like with a potentially career-altering injury, and it IS a rental. We simply are not a match for what Ainge would be giving up.

There is zero chance that Kawhi goes for something as small as a Morris type and a low first round pick. Some team will think they can either 1) make a deep run in the playoffs thus making it worth it even if he leaves, or 2) be convinced that they can sign him long term
Right. This is why we've never been a serious option for the Spurs.
 

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Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intention is to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.

Well, if we can't get Kawhi for oursleves, maybe we could help facilitate :)

BOS gets Kristaps Porzingis, Lonzo Ball, Lance Thomas
NYK gets Kyrie Irving, Guerschon Yabusele
SAS gets Brandon Ingram, Frank Ntilikina, Luol Deng
LAL gets Kawhi Leonard, Patty Mills
 

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Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intention is to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.
Anyone have the Vegas odds on the “league sources” being Magic and Rob Pelinka?

Well, if we can't get Kawhi for oursleves, maybe we could help facilitate :)

BOS gets Kristaps Porzingis, Lonzo Ball, Lance Thomas
NYK gets Kyrie Irving, Guerschon Yabusele
SAS gets Brandon Ingram, Frank Ntilikina, Luol Deng
LAL gets Kawhi Leonard, Patty Mills
Yeah, no thanks. I’m not dealing Irving for the prayer that Porzingis can help the 2020 Celtics.
 

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How does Kawhi sign with the Lakers as a free agent next year if they sign Lebron and Paul George (or Chris Paul) this year? They would be over the cap.
 

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How does Kawhi sign with the Lakers as a free agent next year if they sign Lebron and Paul George (or Chris Paul) this year? They would be over the cap.
The cap projects to go up 7% to $108m next summer and the only salaries of significance on your books are Deng, Ball, and Ingram which can easily be cleared out.
 

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PG and Lebron aren't signing in LAL to wait a year to put together their team. If they go there, either Kawhi is coming, or they are bringing in some other help which would preclude them from having space next year.

If Kawhi plays out the year, say hi to LA Clipper Kawhi in 2019
 

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PG and Lebron aren't signing in LAL to wait a year to put together their team. If they go there, either Kawhi is coming, or they are bringing in some other help which would preclude them from having space next year.

If Kawhi plays out the year, say hi to LA Clipper Kawhi in 2019
Or LeBron just goes somewhere else.
 

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The cap projects to go up 7% to $108m next summer and the only salaries of significance on your books are Deng, Ball, and Ingram which can easily be cleared out.
If Deng's salary could be easily cleared out the Lakers would have done it already. As for Ball, the crazy father and the no-talent brothers angling for NBA paychecks makes Lonzo difficult to move as well.

For me, Tatum and Brown are untouchable, no matter who it is-- even LeBron. The big asset Ainge should dangle is Kyrie. There's flight risk if he doesn't resign, and repeater tax risk if he does.
 

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If Deng's salary could be easily cleared out the Lakers would have done it already. As for Ball, the crazy father and the no-talent brothers angling for NBA paychecks makes Lonzo difficult to move as well.

For me, Tatum and Brown are untouchable, no matter who it is-- even LeBron. The big asset Ainge should dangle is Kyrie. There's flight risk if he doesn't resign, and repeater tax risk if he does.
Deng isn't yet expiring. By next summer it will be easy to move under the posters question. It's hard to take that Lonzo is difficult to move very seriously though.
 

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Well, from all reports the Spurs don't want Lonzo.

So the Lakers (trying to clear salary for the LeBron-PG13-Kawhi trifecta) call Ainge and offer Lonzo for Rozier and the Sacramento pick. Deal? What if Ainge counters with the Memphis pick?
 

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How does Kawhi sign with the Lakers as a free agent next year if they sign Lebron and Paul George (or Chris Paul) this year? They would be over the cap.
Looks pretty likely the spurs don’t trade Kawhi to LA & he signs there next year, pg13 does a 1 & 1 with okc & lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year.

They delay the super team by a year.
 

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Looks pretty likely the spurs don’t trade Kawhi to LA & he signs there next year, pg13 does a 1 & 1 with okc & lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year.

They delay the super team by a year.
I think it’s way more likely that this LA super team doesn’t come to fruition than it delays by another year.
 

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The problem with Kawhi for the most rumored package is the cap apocalypse that the Celtics might endure
Can anyone offer specific figures to clarify how apocalyptic the repeater tax would become for a roster built around four max players (Horford, Haywayd, Irving, and Leonard)? Is there any chance that ownership would be willing to pay that tax for a 4-5 year window in which the team could potentially hang multiple banners (and see the franchise value rise)?
 

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Deng isn't yet expiring. By next summer it will be easy to move under the posters question. It's hard to take that Lonzo is difficult to move very seriously though.
This only works if the team Kawhi is on agrees to sign and trade him like the Clippers-Rockets CP3 deal.
 

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For me, Tatum and Brown are untouchable, no matter who it is-- even LeBron. The big asset Ainge should dangle is Kyrie. There's flight risk if he doesn't resign, and repeater tax risk if he does.
What are you proposing we dangle him for? A pick? If it's for Kawhi, we're in the same situation with regards to next year. If it's for a pick, I think Hayward and Horford would justifiably be ultra pissed. You don't punt on a potential championship quality team merely to hedge that he might not resign. Especially since he seems pretty happy here. I think trading Kyrie is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
 

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What are you proposing we dangle him for? A pick? If it's for Kawhi, we're in the same situation with regards to next year. If it's for a pick, I think Hayward and Horford would justifiably be ultra pissed. You don't punt on a potential championship quality team merely to hedge that he might not resign. Especially since he seems pretty happy here. I think trading Kyrie is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
I'm just saying that as among Tatum, Brown and Kyrie, I would be willing to part with Kyrie before the other two.

I'm guessing that it's about 90% that Ainge just stands pat on draft night and takes the guy he likes at #27. I'm fine with that. But in the unlikely event that Kyrie plus one or more of next year's four picks can fetch a Doncic or a Bamba, I'm fine with that too.

The problem it solves is the luxury tax problem. If Kyrie wants 30% of the cap and Horford wants more money as well, it won't be easy to maintain a decent bench going forward.
 

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Looks pretty likely the spurs don’t trade Kawhi to LA & he signs there next year, pg13 does a 1 & 1 with okc & lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year.

They delay the super team by a year.
LeBron isn't really young enough to be delaying anything by a year.
 

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Zach Lowe's new article mentions his theory of the C's wanting to wait until July to do a possible Kahwi deal to avoid having to send any of their big 3 or the Young Jedi's. He says they could offer SA a signed-and-traded Smart, Rozier, filler, and picks and dare them to find something better.
 

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Yes that's the deal to offer. Does it get beaten? Probably. If not the C's are co-favorites for next year.
 

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Can anyone offer specific figures to clarify how apocalyptic the repeater tax would become for a roster built around four max players (Horford, Haywayd, Irving, and Leonard)? Is there any chance that ownership would be willing to pay that tax for a 4-5 year window in which the team could potentially hang multiple banners (and see the franchise value rise)?
Have a look at the table below. Triggering the repeater tax requires being over the tax line four years out of five. Assuming they hold on to Irving (as the rumour states they want to). If they include Rozier and Morris in the outgoing column (along with Marcus on a sign & trade), they can get down to about $120 million for nine roster spots.

Their first round pick will, by scale, cost them between $1.3-$1.4 million. Jabari Bird will almost certainly be promoted to the big league roster and given the sort of long term, partially guaranteed contract that Ainge has specialized in for 2nd rounders, so factor in another $1.3 million for that. They will also likely buy a second round pick or two (the Sixers have four second rounders and not nearly enough roster space to use them all, so odds are that they'll be on the lookout to consolidate picks and/or just pocket money for some), so more money needs to be allocated to that. They will also need to re-sign Baynes (or a replacement).

So all told they'd be in the mid 130s next year for their Leonard rental, and the clock would start. If they re-signed both Leonard and Irving, their big four in 2020 would be making in the mid 130s. But they'd crush the postseason competition after a 75 win season.
 

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Yes that's the deal to offer. Does it get beaten? Probably. If not the C's are co-favorites for next year.
If the Celtics are willing to include both MEM and SAC, that's a tough offer for other contenders to top, unless the Spurs are high on Ingram or Ball. That team is probably the straight-up favorites too, just because no one would ever score on a Hayward-Brown-Kawhi-Tatum-Horford lineup.

But this is all wishcasting, since Kawhi doesn't seem like he'll give Boston assurances that he'll re-sign, and there's no way in hell Danny moves SAC+MEM for a rental.
 

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Looks pretty likely the spurs don’t trade Kawhi to LA & he signs there next year, pg13 does a 1 & 1 with okc & lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year.

They delay the super team by a year.
Or they get impatient and replace Kawhi with Boogie. Holy shit that’d be fun to watch (the implosion, I mean).
 

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You would trade Kyrie + picks for Doncic or Bamba? That is nuts
Would be even more nuts for a lottery team to give up a top 3 pick for 1 year of Kyrie, which is why it’s never going to happen.
 

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A couple site are saying Cavs offered Love and the 8 for Kawhi....no confirmation that I can find but its out there
I have to imagine the Lakers would be mildly stoked if this goes through. They get to nab another lottery pick and can sign two guys in a year that already know how to play with each other. Not sure I like it from the Cavs perspective though. They probably still lose to the warriors and also lose out on the pick after the duo leaves.
 

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Lot of interesting stuff here per usual from Zach.

Made a really good point on Rozier, that they could get something good for him pre-draft but might need his salary in a theoretical Kawhi deal come July 1st.

I think Rozier probably needs to be traded this offseason if Kyrie is staying, might signal Ainge thinks he can land Kawhi if Rozier is still here by the weekend.
 

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Spurs are willing listeners on Kawhi Leonard trade proposals, but haven't been proactive in chasing down offers, league sources tell ESPN. For now, make an offer and they'll add it to their board. Spurs and Lakers have had no dialogue on Leonard.
 

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Reports now that Spurs are set on keeping Kawhi or trading him to EC team. Philly must be all over this.

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Would be very risky given Kawhi’s contract situation but Celtics can’t beat that without giving up a piece they don’t want to give up.
 

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Reports now that Spurs are set on keeping Kawhi or trading him to EC team. Philly must be all over this.

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Would be very risky given Kawhi’s contract situation but Celtics can’t beat that without giving up a piece they don’t want to give up.
Seems really light, actually. Their pick is probably in the 20s and who knows what the Heat pick will end up at.
 

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Seems really light, actually. Their pick is probably in the 20s and who knows what the Heat pick will end up at.
Saric and Covington are both starters on good contracts and Kawhi is a rental. I think that’s a good offer for a guy who wants to leave and in line with other comparable situations.
 

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Saric and Covington are both starters on good contracts and Kawhi is a rental. I think that’s a good offer for a guy who wants to leave and in line with other comparable situations.
Agreed. I certainly wouldn’t want to try and top that deal. As a matter of fact, Spurs should probably jump on that if it ever gets offered.