June;: Red Sox discussion, observations and trend tracking...AKA It's not all about the Benjamins

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I'm surprised there isn't more Cavan Biggio talk. He's not great, of course, but he was just DFAd and plays a position where our starter is questionable and our depth is shallow.

ETA Nevermind, it's in the shitnado thread.
 
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I wonder how much pythag is impacted by having a severely unbalanced lineup. Not in handedness, but overall quality. Our best hitters are really good and our worst hitters are godfuckingawful. I'd have to imagine that leads to more LOB, squanders, and the like. A more consistent offense probably gets closer to their pythag than what we're throwing out there.
Hmm, I'm not sure. I would think since pythag is pretty much just a measure of runs scored and runs allowed that it would be more affected by big blowout wins and tight losses. They're 14-18 at home, 7-5 in one run games, 2-4 in extra innings, and 13-14 in blowouts. No overall pattern I'm discerning, really. One thing, is, I suppose, that their largest offensive outbursts have coincided with great pitching performances. 17-0, 12-2, 11-3, 14-2. Not exactly the most economical use of those outbursts, I guess. If they'd have come on nights where the other team scored 6 or eight or whatever, we might be a few games over .500 and sweating a little less.

That, of course, is not how the world works.

Now, the Sox have had issues with leaving guys on base and hitting poorly with RISP (the best teams, of course, hit better with RISP), and all of that has certainly affected the number of runs they've scored. But that's not represented in Pythag or the like.
 

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I think the simplest reason for why they are scoring less than they should is the whopping # of strikeouts.

Soc batters have a 726 ops (247/316/409) which puts them right between SD (263/328/400) and Cleveland (239/317/398). Sox have scored 290 runs- compared to 307 for SD and 319 for CLE.

Sox have 202 BB / 630 K
SD has 208 / 463
KC has 186 / 456

Only Seattle and Oakland have struck out more than the Sox.

They have 25% K rate as a team (league average is 22% and the only significant players under that are Yoshida (12%), Dom Smith (!) at 18%, Wong at 20%, Grissom at just under 20%.
 

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The pythag is great. Underperforming it is not. My cause for optimism is the quality of pitching - both the starters and the bullpen.
Given that we have studs and duds in the lineup, it makes improving the team relatively easier than if everyone was above average.
 

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Would anyone have guessed in March that the WAR leaders for position players would look like this?

7. Juan Soto - 3.5
8. Jarren Duran - 3.4
9. Shohei Ohtani - 3.0
 

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Would anyone have guessed in March that the WAR leaders for position players would look like this?

7. Juan Soto - 3.5
8. Jarren Duran - 3.4
9. Shohei Ohtani - 3.0
No, and doubly no if you'd told me that value was buoyed by his defense. What a turnaround.

Tucker (3.6) and Soto have OPS+ numbers 50 & 60 points higher, for reference of other OF leaders.
 

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The next 6 starters the Sox face are pretty rough. 4 have WHIPS under 1. The numbers added is batting average against:

Wheeler .179
Sanchez .262 (this is actually pretty bad though he's tied for 10th in fWAR)
Nola .195
Gil - .139
Rodon .215
Stroman .223

The Sox will miss Suarez too. Those Phillies are a wagon.
 

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He autographed a ball for my daughter, so she'll be the one person who remembers he was on the team a few years from now.

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Reminds me of the ball I got signed by Red Sox legend Cla Meredith that is proudly displayed next to my Johnny Pesky.
 

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As of Wednesday's games, eight teams are 9 games or more above .500. Fourteen teams are within 4 games of .500 (plus or minus) -- and 11 of those are below .500. (Sox are .500, Padres +2, Twins +4.) Six teams are 9 games or more below .500. Two teams are in between -- the Braves at +5 and sinking, the Astros at -7. In the NL, the -1 Giants currently hold the 3rd Wild Card spot.
There's a lot of mediocrity out there. Doesn't make me feel good about the Sox, but does make me feel better about them.
 

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As of Wednesday's games, eight teams are 9 games or more above .500. Fourteen teams are within 4 games of .500 (plus or minus) -- and 11 of those are below .500. (Sox are .500, Padres +2, Twins +4.) Six teams are 9 games or more below .500. Two teams are in between -- the Braves at +5 and sinking, the Astros at -7. In the NL, the -1 Giants currently hold the 3rd Wild Card spot.
There's a lot of mediocrity out there. Doesn't make me feel good about the Sox, but does make me feel better about them.
It is interesting to think the Red Sox are 2 games out of the wildcard yet 11.5 games out of 2nd in their division. The AL right now has three teams on track to win over 105 games and two of them are in the AL East. Then, as you point out, there are a lot of teams sitting around .500 or just under. A 6-game winning streak would have quite the impact for the Sox.

Their position doesn't make me feel too bad, it's the 9-20 record against .500+ teams that makes me feel bad. Granted with 3 teams winning at a .650+ clip, you're going to have more teams below .500 than normal, the Sox are probably going to have to do better than win 1 out of every 3 against decent teams if they want to be in the playoffs.
 

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It is interesting to think the Red Sox are 2 games out of the wildcard yet 11.5 games out of 2nd in their division. The AL right now has three teams on track to win over 105 games and two of them are in the AL East. Then, as you point out, there are a lot of teams sitting around .500 or just under. A 6-game winning streak would have quite the impact for the Sox.

Their position doesn't make me feel too bad, it's the 9-20 record against .500+ teams that makes me feel bad. Granted with 3 teams winning at a .650+ clip, you're going to have more teams below .500 than normal, the Sox are probably going to have to do better than win 1 out of every 3 against decent teams if they want to be in the playoffs.
I havent done the math, but 1 of 3 against the teams "better than they are" while winning most of the series against the ones below them and more than half of the ones "about the same" as they are should keep them in contention. The splits with Detroit and Chicago hurt them in this regard. (At the same time, I'm almost giving them a pass on the White Sox series, as that was the season's lineup nadir.)
 

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As of Wednesday's games, eight teams are 9 games or more above .500. Fourteen teams are within 4 games of .500 (plus or minus) -- and 11 of those are below .500. (Sox are .500, Padres +2, Twins +4.) Six teams are 9 games or more below .500. Two teams are in between -- the Braves at +5 and sinking, the Astros at -7. In the NL, the -1 Giants currently hold the 3rd Wild Card spot.
There's a lot of mediocrity out there. Doesn't make me feel good about the Sox, but does make me feel better about them.
Just how MLB wants it.

A team really has to be purposefully bad to be out of the Wild Card race in June. A's, Angels and White Sox in the AL, Rockies and Marlins in the NL. The other 25 clubs all have a realistic playoff shot 40%+ of the way through the season. And I suspect not many more will totally fall out over the next 40%.
 

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Just how MLB wants it.

A team really has to be purposefully bad to be out of the Wild Card race in June. A's, Angels and White Sox in the AL, Rockies and Marlins in the NL. The other 25 clubs all have a realistic playoff shot 40%+ of the way through the season. And I suspect not many more will totally fall out over the next 40%.
FWIW, FanGraphs has six AL teams above 50% playoff odds: the Yankees, Orioles, Guardians, Twins, Mariners and Royals (albeit barely at 52%). Houston is next at 33%; the Red Sox are at 16%, right alongside the Jays, Rays and Tigers. BP has the Yankees, O's, Guardians, Twins and Mariners at 50% or better, then the Rangers and Astros at 42-44%, with the Jays and Royals both hovering around 35-40% and the Red Sox all the way down at 10%, slightly ahead of Tampa and Detroit. Both sites have Boston at a 10-15% chance of winning a wild card spot.
 

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To go to fangraphs (which sorts more easily by position), for Shortstops, Hamilton is #9 in the majors by wRC+ (a close cousin of OPS+).

That does not include baserunning. There, fangraphs uses a counting stat. Hamilton is the #3 SS in the majors, despite having 20 fewer games than the other #1-5 guys. So I'm betting if he's somehow pro-rated, he's close to #1.

The bad news is his defense, also measured on fangraphs by counting. There he's 34 out of 38 in the majors (SS with over 100 PAs).

Altogether, that brings him to #22 bWAR in the majors - but much of that is colored by his lack of playing time. If we were to double his PAs and so double his bWAR, he'd be in a cluster with Kim, Seager, and Correra.

He's still a work in progress on both offense and defense, obviously. But he's starting to play himself into a legitimate SS/2B option going forward. I hope in a month we end up with the classic "good problem" of trying to find ABs for a hot hitting group of Hamilton, Valdez, and Grissom.

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Rafaela by contrast has a wRC+ of 63, which translates to a bWAR of zero. Obviously also a work in progress, but I wouldn't want anyone else in center field.
I'm actually at the point with Rafaela's offense where I wonder if the team's best alignment might be something like Refsnyder/Yoshida in left, Duran in Center, and Wilyer in right, once he's back, with O'Neill at DH, given his hobble-tude. Offensively that would eliminate one our only remaining black holes. Rafaela has obviously been incredible defensively, but his offense has also been awful.

Refsnyder in left and Duran in center would obviously be a downgrade defensively (and Yoshida in left might be close to untenable), but Duran has looked great in center in limited action, and I think more offdays for Rafaela could be good for him. Might slow the game down for him.

Rafaela could also break out like he did in the second half of last year and go on a massive tear, which would make this point totally moot.
 

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I don't want time off for him. A lot of his mistakes make it seem like he's not fully comfortable yet, so in this weird broken year I just want him getting as much playing time as possible. I think the physical talent is there to hit eventually.
 

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I don't want time off for him. A lot of his mistakes make it seem like he's not fully comfortable yet, so in this weird broken year I just want him getting as much playing time as possible. I think the physical talent is there to hit eventually.
I'd still love for him to play four or five days a week. I'm mostly just talking about getting the other guys in there, all of whom are much, much better hitters presently.

I think a lot of his mistakes are also just that he's whiffing a shitload and chasing bad pitches, and he's always done that.
 

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FWIW, FanGraphs has six AL teams above 50% playoff odds: the Yankees, Orioles, Guardians, Twins, Mariners and Royals (albeit barely at 52%). Houston is next at 33%; the Red Sox are at 16%, right alongside the Jays, Rays and Tigers. BP has the Yankees, O's, Guardians, Twins and Mariners at 50% or better, then the Rangers and Astros at 42-44%, with the Jays and Royals both hovering around 35-40% and the Red Sox all the way down at 10%, slightly ahead of Tampa and Detroit. Both sites have Boston at a 10-15% chance of winning a wild card spot.
Is this meant to dispute my point that most teams are plausibly in the pkayoff race until relatively late in the season? Or support it?
 

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I'm actually at the point with Rafaela's offense where I wonder if the team's best alignment might be something like Refsnyder/Yoshida in left, Duran in Center, and Wilyer in right, once he's back, with O'Neill at DH, given his hobble-tude. Offensively that would eliminate one our only remaining black holes. Rafaela has obviously been incredible defensively, but his offense has also been awful.

Refsnyder in left and Duran in center would obviously be a downgrade defensively (and Yoshida in left might be close to untenable), but Duran has looked great in center in limited action, and I think more offdays for Rafaela could be good for him. Might slow the game down for him.

Rafaela could also break out like he did in the second half of last year and go on a massive tear, which would make this point totally moot.
I think Cora's doing the JBJ playbook here, where one tries to justify carrying a void bat because of the plus CF defense. But it's really been a void bat recently. (And, to be fair, with Abreu/O'Neill out, you may as well get CR's defense at one of the OFs.)

-From May 1 to today, CR has had a 28% K rate, .302 BABIP, and a wRC+ of 76. He's stolen 4 bases and been caught 3 times.​
-From June 1 to today, CR has had a 35% K rate, .375 BABIP, and a wRC+ of 43. 1 SB, 2 caught (not additional to the above.) And this captures his monstrous CWS game.​
So he's sliding off the fringe edge of playable, IMO. And I'm not sure the constant playing is helping - a few days off might not hurt.

Just as small a sample size, but to put this in perspective, Dalbec was out in May, but came up on June 2.

-BD had a 42% K rate, .250 BABIP, and a wRC+ of 76. Mostly because he had 4 walks to Rafaela's 2 and hit a HR.​
 

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Is this meant to dispute my point that most teams are plausibly in the pkayoff race until relatively late in the season? Or support it?
Neither, really, just adding context; it depends on your definition of plausibly in the race. Like, the Red Sox have a 1-in-10 chance despite being only two games out of a wild card spot; the advanced odds would consider them already out of the race, but it's hard to say that given how close they are to a spot and that they have no teams in front of them (for now anyway).
 

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He's also trending in the right direction, albeit slowly. Breaking his season into 15-game increments, here's what his OPS looks like:

Mar 28-April 13: .547 OPS
Apr 14-30: .570 OPS
May 1-18: .630
May 16-June 2: .682

Now, he is down again over the last 8 games (.539), but overall he is making progress. Do I wish it was better than a sub-.700 high water mark? Of course, but it's not like he's bottoming out. The only way he's going to keep improving at the plate is by getting regular playing time.
 

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Neither, really, just adding context; it depends on your definition of plausibly in the race. Like, the Red Sox have a 1-in-10 chance despite being only two games out of a wild card spot; the advanced odds would consider them already out of the race, but it's hard to say that given how close they are to a spot and that they have no teams in front of them (for now anyway).
Gotcha.

I was considering it merely from the fan’s perspective. For the most part, if your team is within, say, 5-6 games of a playoff spot you can kinda dream on getting hot for 2 weeks and making a run.

At least that’s how I tend to look at it. Last year the Sox were 8 games over .500 in mid-August and a couple games out of the Wild Card, so there was plausible hope. Then the bottom fell out.

I suspect that’s what MLB wants. 2/3rds of the league feeling vaguely in it by late summer. Advanced stats odds aside.
 

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2/3 from the best team in the league and not a peep? This board loves misery! Offensively they looked great. Pitching was very good. Defense….
 

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2/3 from the best team in the league and not a peep? This board loves misery! Offensively they looked great. Pitching was very good. Defense….
The last 2 games were great stuff by the O. Beating up on Nola was impressive. Hopefully they can keep it going against Gil.

Sure feels better seeing healthy O'Neill and Yoshida in the lineup. Props of course to Duran and Hamilton and Valdez.

And Little Raffy with 4 hits and a walk the last 2.

It's a nutty game, almost losing 3 of 4 to the White Sox followed by this.
 
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2/3 from the best team in the league and not a peep? This board loves misery! Offensively they looked great. Pitching was very good. Defense….
All right-
I am so in love with this team this morning. I found a colleague that I didn't know was a die hard and we just spoke for a while as if we were long lost childhood friends.
I know our middle infield defense leaves a lot to be desired but how can you not love what these replacements are doing? And Bobby D... Even Bobby D is contributing in different ways, at different times.
But the three players I have taken a particular interest in are Tanner, Jarren, and Enmanuel. Tanner has hardworked his way from average to elite, and Jarren and Enmanuel have rebounded nicely from setbacks. Jarren especially- My heart just goes out to this guy. What a great story.
SO MANY great stories on this team.
And Tristan coming back soon!! What's better than that?!?
 

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The last 2 games were great stuff by the O. Beating up on Nola was impressive. Hopefully they can keep it going against Gil.

Sure feels better seeing healthy O'Neill and Yoshida in the lineup. Props of course to Duran and Hamilton and Valdez.

And Little Raffy with 4 hits and a walk the last 2.

It's a nutty game, almost losing 3 of 4 to the White Sox followed by this.
The lineup last night looked like a major league lineup. Duran just keeps impressing.
Hamilton is just not a major league shortstop - but that bat may keep him in anyway.
Last night was the most fans from another team I have ever seen at Fenway. Reminded me of going to Bucs game. Philly fans are absolutely the worst.
 

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The lineup last night looked like a major league lineup. Duran just keeps impressing.
Hamilton is just not a major league shortstop - but that bat may keep him in anyway.
Last night was the most fans from another team I have ever seen at Fenway. Reminded me of going to Bucs game. Philly fans are absolutely the worst.
I think they're going to have some choices to make once Romy finishes his rehab up. They'll want Hamilton's bat in the lineup as long as he stays hot, and Valdez is heating up now too... but Romy might be the steadiest of the options at SS on defense. My guess is they leave Romy down at AAA for now to preserve as much flexibility as they can and keep Jamie Westbrook up until Grissom is ready, but then again, they may just DFA Westbrook. He'll almost certainly clear waivers.

Imagining this lineup with Wilyer AND Casas in there has me very excited. Lot of patient hitters, plenty of pop. If we can just go a few more weeks without a major injury...
 

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The lineup last night looked like a major league lineup. Duran just keeps impressing.
Hamilton is just not a major league shortstop - but that bat may keep him in anyway.
The team is tied for 9th in Runs scored per game, they're 8th in OPS, and 12th in WRC+. So they are an above average MLB offense, that is a bit inflated due to Fenway. People talk about the offense like it's terrible, but it simply isn't. These are not the offenses we saw in the Big Papi days, but nobody has an offense like that any more. And the best thing about it is that there is a clear path to improve a few of the short comings with Casas and Yoshida coming back, and the possibility that a fully healthy Grissom doesn't suck.
 

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I think they're going to have some choices to make once Romy finishes his rehab up. They'll want Hamilton's bat in the lineup as long as he stays hot, and Valdez is heating up now too... but Romy might be the steadiest of the options at SS on defense. My guess is they leave Romy down at AAA for now to preserve as much flexibility as they can and keep Jamie Westbrook up until Grissom is ready, but then again, they may just DFA Westbrook. He'll almost certainly clear waivers.

Imagining this lineup with Wilyer AND Casas in there has me very excited. Lot of patient hitters, plenty of pop. If we can just go a few more weeks without a major injury...
FWIW, Westbrook has options so a DFA may not be necessary unless they really need the 40-man spot.
 

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The team is tied for 9th in Runs scored per game, they're 8th in OPS, and 12th in WRC+. So they are an above average MLB offense, that is a bit inflated due to Fenway. People talk about the offense like it's terrible, but it simply isn't. These are not the offenses we saw in the Big Papi days, but nobody has an offense like that any more. And the best thing about it is that there is a clear path to improve a few of the short comings with Casas and Yoshida coming back, and the possibility that a fully healthy Grissom doesn't suck.
The raw numbers say what they say - but a longer lineup with players stepping up or coming back will start to have a different qualitative feel.
 

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He's also trending in the right direction, albeit slowly. Breaking his season into 15-game increments, here's what his OPS looks like:

Mar 28-April 13: .547 OPS
Apr 14-30: .570 OPS
May 1-18: .630
May 16-June 2: .682

Now, he is down again over the last 8 games (.539), but overall he is making progress. Do I wish it was better than a sub-.700 high water mark? Of course, but it's not like he's bottoming out. The only way he's going to keep improving at the plate is by getting regular playing time.
He's also looked better at the plate recently, albeit with a few too many (hard) hits on grounders. And, yeah, when(if) we get a full outfield corps, I'd like him to get some days off.
 

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Alex Cora said that with two outs in the eighth inning Kenley Jansen called from the bullpen and essentially put himself into the game.

"He made the call," Cora said. "I'm in."
"I don't want to lose that game," Jansen said. "Guys grinded their butts off today and when you see all your players hit all their cylinders and playing great baseball, you want to be a part and stop the momentum from the other side so we could get that win."
View: https://twitter.com/maccerullo/status/1802176993963688255?s=46


Jansen is winning me over (again)
 

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Has he ever done anything to indicate he isn't a great guy and a great teammate?
A quick search didn't find anything specific but on the pregame show Abraham and others have indicated that Jansen was sort of aloof from his teammates and wouldn't mind being treated. Abraham in particular said that Jansen didn't fit in on the team but that he was being a good soldier.
 

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A quick search didn't find anything specific but on the pregame show Abraham and others have indicated that Jansen was sort of aloof from his teammates and wouldn't mind being treated. Abraham in particular said that Jansen didn't fit in on the team but that he was being a good soldier.
If his writing matches his talking, Abraham's "fit" comment was related to the fact that a middling team doesn't generally have much need for a "closer," considering what the trade return might be. And at the time he wrote it, Jansen wasn't getting much of a chance to pitch.
It's Jansen's job, but I give him some credit. All players in his position *want* to be with a contender. Some of them get affected by it. They certainly wouldn't be volunteering for unusual circumstances, like 6 and 4-out saves.
 
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I kind of hate some of the stuff that gets said about Jansen. The man has had an outstanding career and seems to love the game. He has some shaky outings, like almost every closer does, but he keeps on truckin'. And yeah, those 4 and 6 out saves don't grow on trees.
 

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The next 6 starters the Sox face are pretty rough. 4 have WHIPS under 1. The numbers added is batting average against:

Wheeler .179
Sanchez .262 (this is actually pretty bad though he's tied for 10th in fWAR)
Nola .195
Gil - .139
Rodon .215
Stroman .223
I had the same concern. Oops.

Someone referenced the JBJ playbook above, and Rafaela seems to be similarly streaky. If my math is correct, after going 0-7 June 9-11, Rafaela has gone 9-16 with 0k, 4 runs and 4 RBI.
 

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Man, if Rafaela, Hamilton, and Valdez can sustain even semi-respectable numbers, that lineup looks pretty good all of a sudden.
 

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What a difference a week makes. Last Monday they were coming off a disheartening split with a team that had lost its previous 12 games. This Monday, they're coming off a 4-2 homestand against the two best teams (by record) in baseball. Baseball, man.
 

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This team may very well miss the playoffs entirely. But they are a young team that seems to be entering the "annoying to play against" stage, which makes them fun to watch again.
 

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They picked the right year to hang around the standings. There’s like 4-5 good teams in MLB and a giant pack of mediocrity.

They can absolutely steal a playoff spot if they get fully healthy and there’s no juggernaut that they couldn’t steal a playoff series from.