June NHL News
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I don’t know how anyone could use the words “analytics” and “Selke” in the same sentence. That isn’t to disparage Bergeron or anyone else, or imply what he and players like him bring to the table isn’t valuable. I just don’t think it can be readily measured. Many hockey awards are subjective in nature. The Selke happens to be the worst offender.
i don’t know...I think you can probably cobble together a decent statistical profile of a Selke player using stats...faceoffs, 5v5 possession/shot numbers, takeaways, ice time, PK time, zone starts...I mean, I think they can track caliber of opponent you face.
Of course it’s subjective in the end, but stats are advanced enough you can use them for a significant portion of your argument.
The little I poked around statistically didn’t make it seem like one guy deserved it more than another. I kind of think Barkov maybe should have won it, but it’s subjective.
Of course it’s subjective in the end, but stats are advanced enough you can use them for a significant portion of your argument.
The little I poked around statistically didn’t make it seem like one guy deserved it more than another. I kind of think Barkov maybe should have won it, but it’s subjective.
Y’all...
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1141880646870036480?s=21
I guess tweets don’t embed anymore?
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1141880646870036480?s=21
I guess tweets don’t embed anymore?
Edit 2: what can’t we measure about defense? Who says we can’t? Bergeron has slipped defensively from various different metrics I’ve seen. Still an elite player, but seems like he’s using his super powers differently the past couple years
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A player getting his stick in a passing lane leading to a different pass and a different shot. Delaying someone from a clean zone entry. Backchecking on a 3 on 2 and and having a player making a pass to the second choice in a less ideal but still dangerous scoring spot. Plenty of things you can’t measure directly, only make assumptions from indirect data. Analytics are great but let’s not fool ourselves into thinking we’re at the MLB level here when it comes to reliability.
To be clear, I agree with Dummy’s first paragraph. Obviously, one could make some measure of a player’s defensive contributions simply by picking the right statistics, although I didn’t make that obvious in my last post so I understand the replies. However, the award doesn’t specify the criteria that matter so voters just pick their own. At the end of the day, it’s just a post-season award so I suppose not extremely relevant.
Edit: That isn’t to say the metrics aren’t without flaws, given the near total absence of zero-sum situations in hockey.
Edit: That isn’t to say the metrics aren’t without flaws, given the near total absence of zero-sum situations in hockey.
I find this interesting. Teams like Toronto or Pittsburgh would likely just plant a forward on the opponents net and accept 8-7 games every night, but I wonder if a combination of dropping the current offsides rule completely, but then restoring the double-blue-line offsides (or something similar to reduce sniping) would help?
FWIW, Johnston walked that tweet back. They didn’t talk about full on eliminating offsides, they talked about changes such as allowing a skate to be in the air over the blue line and considering that on instead of off.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142054163318054913?s=21
It’s like they’ve spent all this time wondering how to have less reviews when they could...dun dun dun....just eliminate the review!
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142054163318054913?s=21
It’s like they’ve spent all this time wondering how to have less reviews when they could...dun dun dun....just eliminate the review!
Not sure where else to put this but a nice article on two women making waves in scouting and player development in the NHL.
Patrick Marleau and Leafs 1st/7th next year traded to Carolina for a 6th. The 1st is top 10 protected and turns into a 2021 1st if it’s top 10.
Return for Subban outside of salary relief is light.
Trade: #Preds acquire defensemen Steven Santini, Jeremy Davies and two second-round picks for P.K. Subban.
https://twitter.com/predsnhl/status/1142476551281356801?s=21
Trade: #Preds acquire defensemen Steven Santini, Jeremy Davies and two second-round picks for P.K. Subban.
https://twitter.com/predsnhl/status/1142476551281356801?s=21
I get why there weren't teams falling over themselves for 3 years and $27 million for Subban, but that's a steal by the Devils. It's basically 2 2nd round picks because those two players are below replacement level.
Last year was a real down year for him. But there's no reason to think it wasn't an aberration or due to injury. He's only 30 years old
Last year was a real down year for him. But there's no reason to think it wasn't an aberration or due to injury. He's only 30 years old
Davies is a B prospect, not really a replacement level guy.
On the other hand, Santini might legit be the worst player in the entire league.
On the other hand, Santini might legit be the worst player in the entire league.
Still boggles the mind that it took until after the draft to reach, but the salary cap upper limit has been finalized at $81.5m - floor of $60.2m
https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/1142542079802789888
https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/1142542079802789888
How much cap space does this clear? I was hoping that the Leafs would have to make some tough moves to stay under the cap - this looks to offset that. Bummer.
William Karlsson re-signs in Vegas for 8 years, $5.9m AAV - solid number for the Knights IMO, helped of course by Nevada's income tax laws
$6.25 million AAV cleared with the Marleau trade, but they still have work to do. They’re sitting on $13.5 million in cap space. They reportedly have extensions done with Kapanen and Johnsson, totaling ~$6.8 million. So that means they’re at ~$6.7 million in space. Marner is asking for $11.5 million. He may not get that much, but should get north of $10 million. They still have to clear out a bunch to fit him in, and that’s before getting into losing Jake Gardiner and trying to replace him and upgrade the defense.
That’ll probably trade Connor Brown for futures to clear some room. Then they’re getting into moving Kadri or Nylander.
The #Blackhawks have acquired defenseman Calvin de Haan and forward Aleksi Saarela from the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for goaltender Anton Forsberg and defenseman Gustav Forsling.
—@NHLBlackhawks
—@NHLBlackhawks
Guessing that is a straight cap dump for Carolina. Otherwise it makes no sense.
A little weird for Chicago too. de Haan is good but they’re full up on LHD.
A little weird for Chicago too. de Haan is good but they’re full up on LHD.
Odd that Carolina had to include a pretty good NHL-ready prospect in Saarela to dump de Haan... also will hurt them in the UFA market moving forward, as de Haan had taken less $ to go to Carolina.
@veritas raised a good point that it could be an issue with insurance no longer covering de Haan's shoulder, this offseason represents his third surgery on it IIRC
@veritas raised a good point that it could be an issue with insurance no longer covering de Haan's shoulder, this offseason represents his third surgery on it IIRC
They also have 7 D not including Byram.
They have Rantanen plus some mid range RFA’s to pay like Kerfoot and Compher but yeah looks like they are clearing the decks for a bit contract coming in.
Carbonneau in is one of the biggest jokes I have seen. Nice player and he was very good defensively put he put up weak stats in the 80's when scoring was really high.
Agreed that Carbonneau is a relatively weak pick. I don’t think Jere Lehtinen’s ever getting in and he won 3 Selkes with better offensive output in the dead puck era.
Carbonneau stayed a bit healthier and didn’t lose a full year to lockout. 450 more GP, 17 more goals, 132 more assists... meh.
Carbonneau stayed a bit healthier and didn’t lose a full year to lockout. 450 more GP, 17 more goals, 132 more assists... meh.
I believe Roberto Luongo has retired:
https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1143942124444033025?s=21
Not sure what the number is, but believe Vancouver and Florida get hit with cap a recapture penalty.
https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1143942124444033025?s=21
Not sure what the number is, but believe Vancouver and Florida get hit with cap a recapture penalty.
He followed that up with comments about his decision to retire:
https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1143942763530084354
*edit: grammar/spelling
https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1143942763530084354
*edit: grammar/spelling
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2 trades today..
Caps sent Burakovsky to Colorado for a 2020 2nd, 3rd and an AHL forward.
Vegas sent Colin Miller to Buffalo for a 2021 2nd and 2022 5th.
Caps sent Burakovsky to Colorado for a 2020 2nd, 3rd and an AHL forward.
Vegas sent Colin Miller to Buffalo for a 2021 2nd and 2022 5th.
Kessel is a Desert Dog now. Traded to Arizona with D Dane Birks and a 2021 4th for Alex Galchenyuk and defenceman PO Joseph.
https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1145120078683353088?s=21
https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1145120078683353088?s=21
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Sounds like Toronto is trading Zaitsev plus a sweetener to Ottawa for Cody Ceci on 7/1 once Zaitsev’s bonus is paid.
This is bananas trade for Toronto. They get out of that horrible contract and term but they actually get a player who might be worse that was qualified at a higher cap hit than Zaitsev. It's easy to think it's to lose the term but Toronto's real cap crunch is this year. Bizarre.