July NHL News - Free Agency

prizminferno

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If you have to move a 1st and player with Backes and have no 1sts for the next 3 years (you can do 2 in 3 for the OS) you do it. I know it won't be popular, and there's ways to pick up a 1st elsewhere if you have to over time.
 

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You should be so proud. You must be one of those people that think offer sheets are greasy and a snake move by teams. Bruins need to get on offer sheeting Laine right now.

This should be in Laine's hands right now
No. I just think you’re an idiot who tries to cover up your idiocy by posting so many idiotic things we don’t have the bandwidth to call you an idiot on all them.

You’re basically the Trump of RMPS.
 

prizminferno

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Whether it's wise or not, there's no way the Bruins would be interested in Laine. They just don't value guys who are bad defensively, no matter what they bring offensively. And he's really bad.
He's also 21. Maybe their philosophy needs a bit of an adjustment, too.

And you could probably see what kind of picks you can get for Krug to offset $/picks
 

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If you have to move a 1st and player with Backes and have no 1sts for the next 3 years (you can do 2 in 3 for the OS) you do it. I know it won't be popular, and there's ways to pick up a 1st elsewhere if you have to over time.
Don Sweeney is not giving up a 1st to move David Backes. He refused to trade a 1st at the deadline last March for an actual piece for a playoff run, so he’s definitely not giving up a 1st to dump a contract. Face it, he is on the books this season unless he’s on LTIR. The Bruins paid the bonus yesterday and still no one will take him even though they would only have to pay him $5 million in real money out of $12 million. I don’t even think another team would take him if the Bruins paid the rest of the cash (which I don’t think they are actually allowed to do). He’s on the team next year.
 

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Yeah, unfortunately he is the definition of a sunk cost. Accept it. Work around it and stop smashing your head into it.
 

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I think we're undervaluing Backes a bit. He's an above replacement level player still, IMO, and for teams not near the cap, it's really just $5 mil over two seasons. I don't think it'd take a 1st rounder to get rid of him. Marleau was bad last season and about to turn 40. Backes had decent underlying metrics, still good defensively for a winger.

And if they can't get rid of him, he's not the worst option to give 40 games to on the 3rd/4th line. He seemed to play much better when well rested. Maybe play him every other day while they ease a young player into the lineup.
 

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I think we're undervaluing Backes a bit. He's an above replacement level player still, IMO, and for teams not near the cap, it's really just $5 mil over two seasons. I don't think it'd take a 1st rounder to get rid of him. Marleau was bad last season and about to turn 40. Backes had decent underlying metrics, still good defensively for a winger.

And if they can't get rid of him, he's not the worst option to give 40 games to on the 3rd/4th line. He seemed to play much better when well rested. Maybe play him every other day while they ease a young player into the lineup.
Marleau was also on an over 35 contract and would only play for one team and that team couldn't afford him at $6m. There is little precedent for how valueless an asset he was to 29 other teams. If Backes will waive his NTC, he will want to play.
 

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Sharks RFA Kevin Labanc signs for 1-year, $1 million.

That seems insane. The only upside for him I guess is he’ll have arbitration rights after the season. Otherwise, he had 56 points last year. Similar position as Kasperi Kapanen who got $3.2 million from the Leafs. Labanc is the better player, he left a ton on the table. I guess he’s just really betting on himself that he’ll cash in next year when he has arb rights?
 

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That is a terrible deal for Chicago in my opinion.

Edit: Nylander has a 165 game track record of pretty average results in the AHL. Jokiharju as a rookie was a decent defender NHL getting 19 minutes a game for roughly half a season before they sent him down. Chicago has a lot of players on D so they probably had to move someone but you’d figure he’d be one they’d like to keep since he’s waivers exempt and has showed promise.
 
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Yeah Dreger has $3.5m AAV. In a vacuum, not an atrocious salary figure for Ferland, but good grief that roster construction is bad.

Canucks forward and AAVs

Loui Eriksson: $6m (3 years left)
Bo Horvat: $5.5m (4 years left)
J.T. Miller: $5.25m (4 years left)
Brandon Sutter: $4.375m (2 years left)
Tanner Pearson: $3.75m (2 years left)
Micheal Ferland: $3.5m (4 years left)
Sven Baertschi: $3.37m (2 years left)
Antoine Roussel: $3m (3 years left)
Jay Beagle: $3m (3 years left)
Tim Schaller: $1.9m (1 year left)
Josh Leivo: $1.5m (1 year left)

$37.645m right there. Out of those, I would submit that Horvat and maybe Leivo are the only good contracts. Roussel was good last year but I still think he's trash by the time that deal's done.

They also have Boeser as an unsigned RFA with $5m in space left, after factoring Ferland and the Luongo recapture penalty in. Benning and Fenton must have some serious kompromat to still be employed.
 

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Not sure where else to put this, but read an article on the Athletic by Dom about the 10 current worst contracts in the NHL based on future expected value for the cost. So past production doesn't count, just how much future production you should get for the remaining years/$. It's all objective based on his model (which he admits is imperfect) but there's no qualitative judgement here. What's really interesting to me is that there are 4 UFA contracts from the summer 2016 in the top 10...and NONE of them are Backes. What a disaster that summer was, but it at least explains how his contract got signed.

For reference, here is the list with the $ remaining, the ones from the 2016 summer are asterisked
  1. Brent Seabrook - 6 X $6.875M
  2. Drew Doughty - 8 X $11M
  3. Kyle Okposo* - 4 X $6M
  4. Marc-Edouard Vlasic - 7 X $7M
  5. Milan Lucic* - 4 X $6M
  6. Mike Matheson - 7 X $4.875
  7. Cam Fowler - 7 X $6.5M
  8. Loui Eriksson* - 3 X $6M
  9. Bobby Ryan - 3 X $7.25M
  10. Andrew Ladd* - 4 X $5.5M
 

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I also found it amusing the Sebastian Aho offersheet was in the top 10 for best contracts. Good one, Habs!

Backes escaped the top 10 bad side largely because there are only 2 years left.
 

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Erik Karlsson and Drew Doughty have near identical contracts, actually EK is $500K more per season for same term.
I wonder why he is so much higher on EK who is 6 months younger than Drew. EK doesn't have quite the wear and tear but he also isn't as big as Drew.

I think they are a coin flip as far as who will be the better player the next 8yrs though EK will certainly look better for the foreseeable future playing on a much better team.
 

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Really surprised Dzingel didn't get more than that. Even if he was overrated at the trade deadline he is still worth 4+ M in today's market and only 2yrs at 27YO though perhaps that was his desire to hit FA before 30.
 

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They’re going two years though because of the US TV deal and Seattle’s expansion fee’s. The cap is supposed to jump after the 20/21 season when a new US tv deal is in place. Plus there’s the $650 million Seattle expansion fee that will be in the owners back pocket. The Dzingel’s and Johansson’s of the league got squeezed a bit this year due to a lower cap and changing RFA market, but their hope is to take another crack at it when theoretically more money should be in the system. Of course, this assumes labor peace. They have to actually get through a CBA negotiation without a work stoppage for it to work.
 

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Dzingel is also one of the worst defensive forwards in the league, just absolutely terrible. That's likely a big reason for his low money relative to his offensive production.

He'll be an interesting fit on Carolina, who were a dominant possession team last year. He can really shoot the puck though, and they need someone who can do that.
 

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Sweet Melnyk move today. Send trade Zack Smith to Chicago for Artem Anisimov.

Both players under contract for 2 years. Anisimov has the higher cap hit at $4.55 million, but Chicago paid out a bonus on 7:1 so he is only owned $5 million in real cash over the 2 years. Smith has a $3.25 million cap hit but it is all salary so the Sens end up saving $1.5 million in real money in the move.