Josh Richardson to the Celtics
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It's gotta be Dunn and Nesmith/Langford or something like that. Maybe Dunn, Edwards, and Grant, but that maes no sense for Dallas. Richardson has been real bad the last couple years, so I hate this regardless.
Edit: didn't think of the TPE. Still hate it, he's not good.
Edit: didn't think of the TPE. Still hate it, he's not good.
In trading back value, I'd imagine he's going to be free, or near free.
If he had positive value, he'd have opted out of his contract.
Probably, would be tough even moving Dunn unless Lonzo gets way less than expected.
Looks like they're going to smash this through officially before Monday, so it's only 10.8M in salary so it can be a straight dump into the Hayward TPE.
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1421263404975677440?s=20
Keith Smith: If Boston sends no money back to Dallas for Richardson, they'll use up all the luxury tax flexibility they just created. They'd basically be right back at the tax line. This is where Kris Dunn could be on the move again.
Keith Smith: If Boston sends no money back to Dallas for Richardson, they'll use up all the luxury tax flexibility they just created. They'd basically be right back at the tax line. This is where Kris Dunn could be on the move again.
View: https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1421264536582205440?s=20
Brian Robb: Celtics landing Josh Richardson may be a pivot from giving Evan Fournier a long-term deal if his price gets too high. Tough to imagine him, Fournier and Smart all on roster next year without team dumping some other salary.
View: https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1421264784108961803?s=20
Brian Robb: I will say this. Brad Stevens is trying to get more defensive-minded here with these acquisitions of Richardson and Dunn.
Brian Robb: Celtics landing Josh Richardson may be a pivot from giving Evan Fournier a long-term deal if his price gets too high. Tough to imagine him, Fournier and Smart all on roster next year without team dumping some other salary.
View: https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1421264784108961803?s=20
Brian Robb: I will say this. Brad Stevens is trying to get more defensive-minded here with these acquisitions of Richardson and Dunn.
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I'll guess Fournier asked for a lot of money and Josh is the answer to that?
EDIT: ha, answered above.
I'll guess Fournier asked for a lot of money and Josh is the answer to that?
EDIT: ha, answered above.
Richardson really struggled in DAL, and some in PHI too, but he was decent in MIA. If he's the choice over Fournier though, it's definitely a downgrade, possibly a big one if his shooting stays where has been the last 2 years. Would put the Celtics in desperate need of creation and shooting in the backcourt...
If they kept Dunn... woof, Dunn/Richardson/Smart/Romeo is like a 1950s team in terms of shooting
If they kept Dunn... woof, Dunn/Richardson/Smart/Romeo is like a 1950s team in terms of shooting
This is interesting:
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1421264182960398339?s=20
Keith Smith: Josh Richardson's best play came when he was used as a ballhandler PG for the Miami Heat. The Celtics have long-wanted to put more size on the floor with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown to be more switchable on defense. Just speculating on fit here for Richardson.
Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, and Al (or Rob) could be an interesting starting five.
Bench: Rob (or Al), Dunn (if Celtics are keeping him), Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard.
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1421264182960398339?s=20
Keith Smith: Josh Richardson's best play came when he was used as a ballhandler PG for the Miami Heat. The Celtics have long-wanted to put more size on the floor with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown to be more switchable on defense. Just speculating on fit here for Richardson.
Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, and Al (or Rob) could be an interesting starting five.
Bench: Rob (or Al), Dunn (if Celtics are keeping him), Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard.
I wonder if Dunn gets flipped to Dallas for Richardson. Or maybe, at least jam Fernando in there going back.
View: https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421265135012880388
Sources confirm that Boston is acquiring Josh Richardson with their $11M trade exception. Because the salary for Richardson jumps to $11.6M in 2021/22, the trade will get finalized on Saturday. The Mavericks will create a $10.9M trade exception as part of the deal.
Sources confirm that Boston is acquiring Josh Richardson with their $11M trade exception. Because the salary for Richardson jumps to $11.6M in 2021/22, the trade will get finalized on Saturday. The Mavericks will create a $10.9M trade exception as part of the deal.
As probably the biggest Grant hater on this board, this makes me happy. Not a big fan of Carsen either.
Fake twitter I think.
Fake twitter I think.
Richardson has flaws, but it’s a nice fit roster-wise and a talent upgrade from Carson/Grant.
Now, what it says about Fournier…
Now, what it says about Fournier…
Doubt it, DAL wants as much space as possible, saving 6M or even 9.5 makes it more likely keeping Richardson makes sense (they'd still have room for a max either way)
This is a move by them to get a 2nd big contract in.
Brad was right there to see what we were constantly whining about in the game threads. There were nonstop 16-2 or 20-5 runs where matador defense was prevailing and no one really gave enough of a shit to D up or give a hard foul besides Smart.
Thanks for explaining!
Roster is getting way less shrimpy, that's for sure. Maybe Smart heads out, or maybe Richardson guards 1's and Smart 2's.
But also an enormous amount of pressure on Tatum and Brown to create. Tatum will rise to the occasion, I think.
Roster is getting way less shrimpy, that's for sure. Maybe Smart heads out, or maybe Richardson guards 1's and Smart 2's.
But also an enormous amount of pressure on Tatum and Brown to create. Tatum will rise to the occasion, I think.
Agreed on the talent difference, but Richardson and Grant Williams don't play the same position, not even close.
Not really. Dunn stinks and while Richardson can handle the ball he's definitely not a real PG, and the offense would struggle like it did at times last year.
It does mean that you can feel a bit more comfortable moving Smart if the right deal comes along for a STAR.
Dunn I think is getting dumped, that deal was about freeing up money more than Dunn as a player.
Agree with assessment that Fournier is a goner. Can’t imagine how the second unit is going to score…
Brad does seem to love a ranging guard who can't shoot. Just loves them.
Maybe we'll dip out toes in the Ben Simmons market.
Maybe we'll dip out toes in the Ben Simmons market.
They have the new TT TPE to replace Fournier, essentially, if he signs elsewhere. Not great, but you can get a second-unit scorer for $9 mil in theory
I know Dallas is doing it to gain space, just seems to me Celtics are doing them a favor if they're just taking him. Celtics will have to give them a top 55 protected 2nd rounder or something as well.
I'd want to at least hit them with some negative value going back, since I'm helping them out.
Okay, so it's that or bank on substantial improvement from the Nesmith, Pritchard, and Langford set. Which would not be the end of the world if the hope is holding pattern till Beal is a free agent.
JRich should be able to shoot...who hits 92% of their free throws & 33% of their 3s???
If Smart (6'9 wingspan) is the smallest player we play next year, it's going to be fascinating, though.
The "we'll use the 2016 Warriors as a blueprint for roster construction" era appears to be over.
Dallas was rumored to be interested in Fournier at one point.
Maybe this creates a bidding war between the NYK and Dallas
Liked EF, not a fan of letting him go
Maybe this creates a bidding war between the NYK and Dallas
Liked EF, not a fan of letting him go
On the other end though.....
I think best you can hope for is a real 2nd? Someone will take RIchardson at 11.6M if they can also send you back a small bad deal, and DAL is also helping us out by doing the deal right now so we can use the TPE before the league year resets.
Last year he was abysmal on contested 3s, bad at catch and shoot, the last year (18-19) he was decent on 3s, he had a TON of open and wide open 0 dribble 3s and he shot well enough on them to offset sucking at everything else.
Edit- FTs may be easier for him because the issue on 3s may not be the stroke, it may be getting the feet set and getting the right release quickly.
Richardson/Smart/Brown/Tatum/TL
Dunn/Horford/Romeo/Nesmith/PP
Brown
Figure you look to add a 4 and maybe a bench shooter to that, roughly? Which could be via MLE, TT TPE, or swapping Dunn
Dunn/Horford/Romeo/Nesmith/PP
Brown
Figure you look to add a 4 and maybe a bench shooter to that, roughly? Which could be via MLE, TT TPE, or swapping Dunn
This is all I'm saying. If they sent back Dunn, Fernando or Carsen, or got a second back, that seems fair to me.
It's a very small add in value, but I think they should be able to get something on the edges.
The way I look at it, if a guy can opt out of his deal and doesn't, he's usually somewhere between a slightly negative deal to a very negative deal. Feel like you should get a bit of value for that.
I'd put Richardson at slightly negative.
Similar to Kanter last year.