Josh Richardson to the Celtics

JM3

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That Bagley draft pick was one of the worst, most indefensible draft picks from the moment the Kings made it, & has only gotten historically worse since then.
 

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That Bagley draft pick was one of the worst, most indefensible draft picks from the moment the Kings made it, & has only gotten historically worse since then.
I am not proud to have been a Bagley guy coming out of college.
 

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I am not proud to have been a Bagley guy coming out of college.
His feel for the game was just so off & combined with the lack of length & consistent effort, he was never going to be a decent defensive player - 29 blocks in 33 games for a guy with his height & bounce was insane.

He could have turned into more offensively than he did, but lack of motor & feel for the game kind of slowed him down there, too.

Duke season - 50 assists, 75 turnovers
Rookie - 62 assists, 98 turnovers
2nd - 10 assists 18 turnovers
3rd - 43 assists, 59 turnovers

Mo Bamba was the guy from that draft I was super wrong on lol.
 

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Visions of a guy with a 7'10 wingspan blocking ~3.5 shots per game, altering many more & raining 3s on them fools.

Eek. Should probably have thought more about his own lack of passing & the trouble with being slow.

My board was like Doncic/JJJ/Ayton/Bomba/Trae :/
 

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I thought Trae was going to be a bust.

Ayton is interesting and could possibly add a 3 to his game. I'm not sure how much value he can have in today's NBA though.
 

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I thought Trae was going to be a bust.

Ayton is interesting and could possibly add a 3 to his game. I'm not sure how much value he can have in today's NBA though.
Credit to ATL on making that deal, very gutsy move...I also hated Trae and loved Bamba in that draft :eek:
 

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I was just looking at Dean's draft board from 2018...

The good:
Luka #1
SGA #6
Bagley #8
MPJ #9
Timelord #12
JRobinson #58

The interesting:
Sexton #20

The bad:
WCJ #4
Zhaire #5
Mikal #18
DGraham #57

The Ugly:
Trae #15
 

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Credit to ATL on making that deal, very gutsy move...I also hated Trae and loved Bamba in that draft :eek:
I thought that was a franchise-alteringly awful trade. It turned out to merely just be "bad".
 

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I was just looking at Dean's draft board from 2018...

The good:
Luka #1
SGA #6
Bagley #8
MPJ #9
Timelord #12
JRobinson #58

The interesting:
Sexton #20

The bad:
WCJ #4
Zhaire #5
Mikal #18
DGraham #57

The Ugly:
Trae #15
The guy sounds like a tool but that's really good work.

Sexton is kind of overrated, there's an argument that in a redraft he's not a lottery pick

yea that's wrong.
Adv metrics really don't like Sexton, esp his defense. He came out of college with a great defensive reputation too. BUT he gets re-drafted in the top 10
 
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Adv metrics really don't like Sexton, esp his defense. He came out of college with a great defensive reputation too. BUT he gets re-drafted in the top 10
Sexton learned well from someone. Defense can keep you in the league if you’re a marginal guy…….but if you can get buckets that’s how you’re going to get paid.

I don’t think Sexton is nearly as bad as those flawed individual metrics make him out to be either when you’re losing games every night and don’t have much of a system in place due to youth/lack of talent.
 

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I think I redraft Sexton like 11? I guess that's closer to a bad than anything, just wanted to put that somewhere because it was anti-consensus, but wasn't sure where.
 

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Sexton learned well from someone. Defense can keep you in the league if you’re a marginal guy…….but if you can get buckets that’s how you’re going to get paid.

I don’t think Sexton is nearly as bad as those flawed individual metrics make him out to be either when you’re losing games every night and don’t have much of a system in place due to youth/lack of talent.
agreed, a winning environment would probably do wonders for his defensive effort.

I remember a Bama game where they had to play 3 on 5 for ~ a quarter of the game. He was a beast
 

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This is super rough but...

Luka
Trae
SGA
Ayton
MPJ
Mikal
JJJ
TL
Miles
Huerter

Sexton
MitchRob
Trent Jr.
WCJ
Brunson
Donte D
Bruce B
Shake

Bagley
 

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This is super rough but...

Luka
Trae
SGA
Ayton
MPJ
Mikal
JJJ
TL
Miles
Huerter

Sexton
MitchRob
Trent Jr.
WCJ
Brunson
Donte D
Bruce B
Shake

Bagley
Great draft. That's pretty much the order, but I probably take the 25ppg scorer after JJJ

I'd move up Donte

MitchRob/TL are pretty close and MitchRob has played twice the minutes

Is that the draft that VanVleet told teams not to draft him and he bet on himself as a UFA?
 

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Great draft. That's pretty much the order, but I probably take the 25ppg scorer after JJJ

I'd move up Donte

MitchRob/TL are pretty close and MitchRob has played twice the minutes

Is that the draft that VanVleet told teams not to draft him and he bet on himself as a UFA?
FVV was 2016.
 

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Great draft. That's pretty much the order, but I probably take the 25ppg scorer after JJJ

I'd move up Donte

MitchRob/TL are pretty close and MitchRob has played twice the minutes

Is that the draft that VanVleet told teams not to draft him and he bet on himself as a UFA?
Regarding where to put Sexton, I guess it depends on where you are as a franchise. I think those other guys would impact playoff winning more, but it's all speculative.

I guess I like TL's passing better & the fact that he seems to be getting better year over year. Could be either Celtics or recency bias, though.
 

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If the roster doesn't change before the season starts, my ideal starting line up is Rob - Tatum - Brown - Nesmith - Smart.

I prefer Rob to Al as a starter because I think it gets the most out of Rob. I think Al can bring the play of the second unit up and the starting unit brings Rob's play up, I'm skeptical the inverse is true.

I also prefer Nesmith starting over Richardson. He spaces the floor better and will be able to contribute within the flow of the game. I like Richardson coming off the bench to anchor that second unit on the wing.

I like Smart as the starter and primary ball handler with the Jays. It puts him into a roll that fits his skill set. He can defend and distribute and not have to worry about scoring as the 3rd or 4th option with that group. Schroder would probably be fine as a starter, but then Marcus becomes the top dog on the bench. I love Marcus, but I don't like him when he feels the scoring burden. Heave city.

That gives Ime a solid 8-man rotation with Al, Richardson, and Schroder coming off the bench and filling pretty clear roles. Then Ime can mix and match Pritchard/Dunn/Langford and Grant/Kanter/Fernando/Parker based on match ups and performance.

I think this team is better than we think it is. They are getting underrated because last year was such a disaster. It was also a lightening strikes situation with injuries and COVID. As a result, the core never really gelled and guys (Smart particularly) had to play beyond their role. Let's just hope lightening doesn't strike twice.
 

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Sexton clearly better when he doesn't have other teammates on the court slowing him down.
 

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No. We are looking to formulate an elite young veteran core with other veterans and cheap rookie deals surrounding them. We are no longer in rebuilding mode. Hard pass on Bagley.
I wholeheartedly endorse this post. Tatum and Brown are ready. The horrible luck and resulting roster problems of Gordo and Kyrie (who begat Kemba) are at last behind us. TL, if he can stay healthy, looks ready to become a key contributor. Smart is signed and presumably happy. And in Al and Richardson, the team now includes a couple of character vets on contracts that could provide good trade ballast…and who have at least the potential to contribute positively to this year’s team. The next year-plus is about focusing on acquiring a third star and, after that, using our zillion TPEs to round out the roster with ring-chasing veterans.

Oh, and we have Romeo…!
 

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https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/9/23/22672618/how-josh-richardson-bounces-back-boston-celtics-ime-udoka

Things I learned:

1. He wasn't so bad in Philly when Ime had him

During Richardson’s final year in Miami and his lone season in Philadelphia, he appeared poised to take the next step in becoming a solid third option for a team. His per-36 minute stats over those two seasons were exceptional: 16.7 points, 3.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists while shooting 35.1% from 3 on 6 attempts. Josh Richardson was pretty dang good inside that bubble. He shot 39.7% from 3 while playing a prominent role for the Philadelphia 76ers. While the Celtics swept Philly in the first round, Richardson was indispensable and couldn’t come off the floor, logging 36 minutes a game in that series.

2. JRich may have been a victim of a COVID during his Dallas decline.

Those numbers took only a slight hit in Dallas: 14.4 points, 3.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists while shooting 33% from 3 on 5.4 attempts. It may not seem like that big of a decline, though something felt off from watching Richardson play.

It may be no coincidence that only eight games into his season, Richardson was pulled into COVID protocols along with several other Mavericks, and it is likely that time threw off the rest of his year. Richardson’s first 11 games back were pretty abysmal: 11.5 points, 2.9 rebounds and 3.5 assists while shooting 27.1% from deep. He couldn’t get into a rhythm, and deserves none of the blame for such an occurrence. About a month after his return to the lineup, Richardson was much more himself. Over the next nine contests, J-Rich put up 15.9 points and shot 36.7% from deep while playing much more inspired defense. Dallas won seven of nine games, capped off by back-to-back 20 point outings from Richardson. He was attacking the hoop frequently, got to the free throw line a great deal and served as the linchpin to the Mavericks’ best lineups.
 

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I feel like I'm a JRich apologist, but that cherrypicking of stats makes me want to get off the wagon lol.

His per-36 minute stats over those two seasons were exceptional: 16.7 points, 3.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists while shooting 35.1% from 3 on 6 attempts.
[ ] exceptional

Richardson was indispensable and couldn’t come off the floor, logging 36 minutes a game in that series.
[ ] couldn't come off the floor

He couldn’t get into a rhythm, and deserves none of the blame for such an occurrence.
[ ] deserves none of the blame

[?] such an occurrence

I still like JRich, though. You can't reverse psychology me article.
 

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Mostly I’m trusting the coach on this one. If Ime wanted no part of him, I’d be more worried about this deal.
 

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I am planning to bet over on the Celtics this year and that's with exactly zero expectation that JRich will do anything useful at all. If I am wrong, that's great, but the times I saw him last year he looked totally busted.
I actually think DS will have more impact on the team.