Josh Gordon Reinstated (Again)

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They freed up more than enough with trading Sanu, but I’m not sure why they’d bother.
I think given Gordon's unique background and situation, if you were a team that was interested in signing him for 2020 and beyond, it would be worth a small investment for the rest of 2019 to feel out whether both sides find it a fit.
 

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They freed up more than enough with trading Sanu, but I’m not sure why they’d bother.
They have enough to get through the year but they need a surplus because they are likely starting at or over for next year. Every penny they save this year is less gymnastics next year.
 

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I think given Gordon's unique background and situation, if you were a team that was interested in signing him for 2020 and beyond, it would be worth a small investment for the rest of 2019 to feel out whether both sides find it a fit.
A team could also claim him hoping to get a comp pick for him if he signs elsewhere in free agency.

If he finishes this season elsewhere reasonably healthy and playing OK, he'd probably sign for enough in free agency to get a late round comp pick.

There's probably a team out there that will take that shot for the less than a million bucks it'll take to sign Gordon.

If it's not a bad off the field issue that's lead to him being released, I'd think Miami may claim him.
 
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Would Houston and its need for WR help - Fuller hurt? - and Easterby there, given his experience with helping Gordon along (ish) be a potential fit for JG?
 

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Would Houston and its need for WR help - Fuller hurt? - and Easterby there, given his experience with helping Gordon along (ish) be a potential fit for JG?
Interesting idea, he certainly wouldn't be able to fill Fullers role based on what we've nseen this year. I doubt the Texans get a shot at him through waivers based on their record.
 

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I found a website called tankathon that updates 2020 draft oreder, which I think is the same as waiver order. If the Patriots care about keeping him off playoff teams it’s probably better to drop him sooner rather later. By week 10, I would think the number of teams that have stopped caring and wont want to use a roster spot and cap money is higher. Right now, there are some 3-4 and 2-5 teams that still have dreams.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl
 

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Seems like a strange way to free up the cap space, but Bill has been known to do the unconventional.
Interesting discussion on Miguel’s twitter about the consequence of playing with 52 on the roster. Apparently, to encourage elevation of practice squad players, you can’t keep a practice squad player for a third year if he was on the squad when you rolled with 52. Not sure it affects Patriots but it is interesting for teams with cap trouble that try to save game checks here and there.
 

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I found a website called tankathon that updates 2020 draft oreder, which I think is the same as waiver order. If the Patriots care about keeping him off playoff teams it’s probably better to drop him sooner rather later. By week 10, I would think the number of teams that have stopped caring and wont want to use a roster spot and cap money is higher. Right now, there are some 3-4 and 2-5 teams that still have dreams.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl
They have to wait until after the trade deadline. Otherwise I believe Gordon is not subject to waivers and becomes a free agent outright.
But I could see teams out of the race taking a look.
 

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They have to wait until after the trade deadline. Otherwise I believe Gordon is not subject to waivers and becomes a free agent outright.
But I could see teams out of the race taking a look.
Is that requirement so that a claiming team can't trade a player like Gordon to a 3rd team?
 

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Interesting discussion on Miguel’s twitter about the consequence of playing with 52 on the roster. Apparently, to encourage elevation of practice squad players, you can’t keep a practice squad player for a third year if he was on the squad when you rolled with 52. Not sure it affects Patriots but it is interesting for teams with cap trouble that try to save game checks here and there.
Weirdly, I think the guy who would have made a difference here is Ufomba Kamalu; he was on the PS in 2016 and 2018 so this was his third year. But Baltimore signed him earlier this week, so I don't think they had anyone with this status. If Baltimore hadn't signed him, the Patriots would have been required to fill that 53rd spot, by my understanding.
 

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They have to wait until after the trade deadline. Otherwise I believe Gordon is not subject to waivers and becomes a free agent outright.
But I could see teams out of the race taking a look.
Yeah, after Tuesday, which at this point seems like we are there.
 

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Curran on PFT live this morning said there were issues with Gordon's work ethic

Tom Curran of NBCSportsBoston.com said this morning on PFT Live that there were rumblings in New England about the team having problems with Gordon being late to meetings, coaches having a hard time locating him, and generally Gordon not displaying the kind of work ethic that Bill Belichick demands.
 

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Curran on PFT live this morning said there were issues with Gordon's work ethic
That sucks. And could also lead to fears of older issues coming back up and the Pats would rather just cut bait than be worried again about something happening.

Still hope the kid gets right.
 

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That sucks. And could also lead to fears of older issues coming back up and the Pats would rather just cut bait than be worried again about something happening.

Still hope the kid gets right.
That was my concern. That first Jets game really raised my alert level with Gordon. He looked so out of it in the first half. It's quite possible that these work ethic issues are unrelated to his other issues but who knows. Agree that the time had come to cut bait. We're entering the key stretch of the season and you can't go week to week on wondering about whether or not Gordon will be available and, if yes, how effective he'll actually be.

Really rooting for him rest of his career.
 

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That was my concern. That first Jets game really raised my alert level with Gordon. He looked so out of it in the first half. It's quite possible that these work ethic issues are unrelated to his other issues but who knows. Agree that the time had come to cut bait. We're entering the key stretch of the season and you can't go week to week on wondering about whether or not Gordon will be available and, if yes, how effective he'll actually be.
Exactly. When he was showing up, working out, and not late for meetings, that elephant in the room was still there. When he started being late, then there's multiple elephants.
 

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Some of the things Curran mentioned happened just before Cleveland parted ways with Gordon and then he came to us. Seems like this has been building all season.

Not coincidentally, the state of WR seemed to be near crisis all season, just beneath the surface. So many things with this team are opaque, but not this.
 

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I wonder if this report will affect a potential claim. Probably not.

Reiss kind of indicated something similar but it was very guarded and vague.
 

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Being an addict myself, I definitely see those details as a red flag (if true). They're pretty much how I would be described in my downward spirals. Hopefully it is just over projection on my part.
It could also be simply an adjustment to the new world. My first six months sober were a blur of intensity. Everything was brand new and shitty and awesome at the same time. Then you realize that this is the rest of your life. There were and still are periods of ennui. Maybe he's just not happy. Maybe the regimented lifestyle that the Pats provided--on which he depended--seems unnecessarily stifling now and "not for him". It doesn't necessarily indicate a backslide. It could, but not necessarily.
 

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Josina Anderson says he's been claimed. Not announcing team because they haven't told the player who is being cut yet.

Edit: She's tight with the Eagles, right?

Edit: Sorry, Fake Schefter.
 

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Wow -- lots of teams passed. But, kind of perfect for the Patriots I think. They get their cap money and the only way they have to play against him is if they play the last game of the year.

Edit: So, the Patriots came 3 teams away from having to eat the $1 million.
 

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I'm guessing there were rumblings about his tardiness to meetings around the league, which caused teams to pass. No matter for New England, as they still get the cap relief they desperately needed.
 

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Wow -- lots of teams passed. But, kind of perfect for the Patriots I think. They get their cap money and the only way they have to play against him is if they play the last game of the year.

Edit: So, the Patriots came 3 teams away from having to eat the $1 million.
Seattle was one of the few teams on AB as well. Seems like Gordon wasn’t getting claimed except by a franchise that tends to have a higher risk profile than most. Hope there isn’t another shoe to drop because lots of teams could have used him.
 

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We'll see how he does in Seattle. I just hope he gets himself right and wish him nothing but the best. Please Josh, take care of yourself.
 

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We'll see how he does in Seattle. I just hope he gets himself right and wish him nothing but the best. Please Josh, take care of yourself.
Going to the Weed Capitol doesn't sound like a good idea for him.
 

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Going to the Weed Capitol doesn't sound like a good idea for him.
I haven't drank in 15 years. I literally live above a liquor store in NYC and there are like 6 bars within 50 yards of my apartment. They don't exist in my mind. If someone is sober, being in the weed capital should be irrelevant.
 

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Professional athletes aren’t sourcing their own drugs regardless. If Josh Gordon wanted weed in Antarctica somebody would find a penguin with a stash and hook it up.
 

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Give the Patriots credit for dumping him when they did. They knew he was not reliable.
 

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Sad for him. Never stop fighting, Flash.

Edit: I know he's an addict and it all counts but if this is just weed it's fucking bullshit.
 

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Give the Patriots credit for dumping him when they did. They knew he was not reliable.
No team is going to think he is reliable given his history. Patriots cut him for reasons not related to substance abuse anyway.

Kind of a cold take...