I'm sad for Josh, but I thought he was incredibly underwhelming this year. Sanu is a huge upgrade at this point, I expect the offense to be much better after the bye.
Josh Gordon Reinstated (Again)
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Per Wiki Injured Reserve Football rules:
Teams may also place a player on injured reserve with a minor injury designation, but the team must release the player once he is healthy.[7]
So they can only bring back 2 players total from the IR to return to the team, so we are assuming these players are Harry and Wynn.
Teams may also place a player on injured reserve with a minor injury designation, but the team must release the player once he is healthy.[7]
So they can only bring back 2 players total from the IR to return to the team, so we are assuming these players are Harry and Wynn.
22mph is an absolutely insane speed on a treadmill. It's hard to believe that's even true. Usain Bolt's average speed when he broke the 100m world record was 23mph.
Harry is not an assumption. Once he returned to practice that spot was used. There is only 1 more spot and I assume (hope) that Wynn takes it.
Treadmill running is much, much easier though. 22mph is still very impressive.
I'm sure that pro athletes have access to better stuff, but at my peak condition, I tried pushing a standard Precor treadmill to a 6 minute / mile pace and the thing sounded like it was going to explode at any moment. Note that said pace is less than half of 22 MPH.
Yeah I meant the actual running. My dad and sister were the track stars, but I could break 5 minutes on a treadmill without it breaking. 12.5 was where they’d usually shut down at BU. Did a quarter mile at 15 at UCLA before it shut off.
They’re probably talking about the treadmills that are like runner activated. I’m not sure what they’re called, but it doesn’t work off a motor powering the tread. The run starts the belt going.
I do wonder if there's a potential Demaryius Thomas redux here... cut him, then re-sign him later on.
It's beyond repetitive, but I am a Gordon fan, it certainly seemed his teammates liked him, and I wish him the best.
It's beyond repetitive, but I am a Gordon fan, it certainly seemed his teammates liked him, and I wish him the best.
From a football perspective, you want to win now, build a solid receiver corps up to the the playoffs, and you have access to a Sanu ,and a Harry soon, don't know how JG is going to recover and perform, but won't do it before week 16. You have a roster and and IR crunch. Not an easy decision, but a shrewd one.
What an experience for Olzewski being kept over all these vets, some big names too.
What an experience for Olzewski being kept over all these vets, some big names too.
Can the Patriots re-sign Gordon after putting him on IR? Seems like a loophole. Though we know what Belichick thinks of those.
The thing is that he will need to go on waivers and is almost certain to be claimed.
When the Patriots work out an injury settlement, with Gordon, he can't re-sign for the duration of the injury settlement (e.g., two weeks until he's healthy) plus six weeks. So that closes the loophole; obviously he's not going to wait eight weeks if he can play in two (or whatever). Note that in a similar situation with different timing, the Patriots could bring back Maurice Harris now even though they waived/IR'd him earlier.
https://nationalfootballpost.com/what-is-an-injury-settlement/
He gone.
Edelman
Sanu
Dorsett
Meyers
Harry
Gunner
That’s your group for the duration barring injury.
This is very hard to understand, for the simple reason that the receiving corps has been very, very thin as of late. I realize they just got Sanu, and I realize N'Keal is (hopefully) coming. But, still, I feel like those two guys get the receivers back to normal. If somebody goes down with an injury, which sure seems likely, I would have liked to have Gordon available.
Seems like Gordon wasn’t fully bought in. He looked noticeably worse than last year. I thought it was injury related but apparently not. Disappointing.
I'm not sure people are questioning it, as in disagreeing with the decision, as much as trying to figure it out.
I think the notion he ran 22 MPH on a treadmill is nonsense.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/sports/football/nfl-speed-leonard-fournette.amp.html
Other top speeds on offense: Todd Gurley, Rams (21.98 m.p.h.); Fournette, again (21.76); Marquise Goodwin, 49ers (21.68); and Tyreek Hill, Chiefs (21.64)
Yes they had on full pads, but the fastest human on the planet runs 27 MPH. So I *guess * a post prime, knee injured Gordon MAY have run faster than any player in the NFL this season, but I think it's his camp posturing for his next gig
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/sports/football/nfl-speed-leonard-fournette.amp.html
Other top speeds on offense: Todd Gurley, Rams (21.98 m.p.h.); Fournette, again (21.76); Marquise Goodwin, 49ers (21.68); and Tyreek Hill, Chiefs (21.64)
Yes they had on full pads, but the fastest human on the planet runs 27 MPH. So I *guess * a post prime, knee injured Gordon MAY have run faster than any player in the NFL this season, but I think it's his camp posturing for his next gig
This is very strange.
Ultimately though, I hope JG does okay and the loss of structure and frustration / sadness from being cut doesnt lead him down any dark paths he has been through before. I have a soft spot for the kid and he really seemed to be trying. Whether he remains in football or not, i hope he remains healthy.
Ultimately though, I hope JG does okay and the loss of structure and frustration / sadness from being cut doesnt lead him down any dark paths he has been through before. I have a soft spot for the kid and he really seemed to be trying. Whether he remains in football or not, i hope he remains healthy.
From a football perspective, why would you see AB as any more or less regrettable than an injured player?
The WR corps has been thin because Gordon has been hurt, so Gordon's removal doesn't really change anything, and because Dorsett was hurt, and he's back now. When Harry returns they are going to have five true WR on the roster (Edelman, Sanu, Dorsett, Harry, Meyers), plus Olszewski and Slater. That's deeper at the position than they were at any point last year.
I don't think the timing is all that strange. Not if Gordon was the odd man out when Harry is activated.
When Gordon couldn't practice and it was obvious he wasn't going to be playing this weekend, the Pat's decided there was no sense in waiting.
I wish Gordon luck though. Will be rooting for him.
When Gordon couldn't practice and it was obvious he wasn't going to be playing this weekend, the Pat's decided there was no sense in waiting.
I wish Gordon luck though. Will be rooting for him.
Since it was brought up upthread - I'm surprised we never heard anything more about the Marcus Butler situation. Of course BB and none of his staff are ever going to talk, but you'd think something would eventually come out.
I'm not sure there is much more to hear. Coaches and the team captains knew that his not starting was a distinct possibility. He was not 100% that week, and his on-field really had slipped that season. So Belichick ultimately made a football decision. It may very well be one he regrets in hindsight, but he's long since moved on.
Eventually, there will be a Brady autobiography published. There may be others as well. We may learn a little more then, but probably nothing earth shattering.
Yup. Sometimes removing a malcontent has a net positive impact on the team. We'll see this with the Celtics this year now that Malcolm Morris is gone.
After 20 years of watching Belichick ply his trade, I've become completely accustomed, and largely numb, to these kind of cold, quick, roster moves. My kids have become diehard Pats fans, and they're much more affected by it. They really took to Gordon, and have learned quite a bit from seeing him work through his substance addiction and mental health issues. So this has hit them fairly hard. Sad to see him go, although I understand the football reasons that have caused it. Really hope he lands somewhere safe.
It's definitely still sad to lose a guy like this who was such fun to root for. But it does make more sense when you think of it through the lens of short and long term asset management. Long term asset management seems to me to be the alter BB prays at that keeps the team so good, and in that lens, this move makes a cold kind of sense.
In the short term, Sanu and N'Keal needing to be active by weeks 8/9 causes a positional roster crunch. You already carry a de-facto extra WR in Slater, so you can't let that position balloon and take up roster space. 6 is plenty. Edelman, Sanu, Dorsett, N'Keal are all obviously uncuttable. Gunner, as well sussed out in this thread, holds on by virtue of his contributions to the punt return team. So it comes down to Jaokbi v Josh for the last WR roster spot. Josh's pedigree is obviously his advantage, but Jakobi's got an advantage in the immediate short term (he can play Sunday, Josh cannot) and in the long term (Jakobi is in year 1 of a 3 year deal and is as close to "under team control" as you can get in football, Josh will be a FA). While Josh has some arguable mid-term advantages over Jakobi (he probably still has a higher ceiling and maybe a lower floor, as a player, assuming he's healthy), they're not guaranteed or especially measurable compared to the short and long term benefits of Jakobi, and while you hate to hold a guy's history against him when he's worked so hard to turn the page, there are non-zero chances that medium or long term investments in Josh are riskier than your average player, or at least presents more and different risks than investing in Jakobi.
But man, this was a year of teasing. It was so close to being the thing.
In the short term, Sanu and N'Keal needing to be active by weeks 8/9 causes a positional roster crunch. You already carry a de-facto extra WR in Slater, so you can't let that position balloon and take up roster space. 6 is plenty. Edelman, Sanu, Dorsett, N'Keal are all obviously uncuttable. Gunner, as well sussed out in this thread, holds on by virtue of his contributions to the punt return team. So it comes down to Jaokbi v Josh for the last WR roster spot. Josh's pedigree is obviously his advantage, but Jakobi's got an advantage in the immediate short term (he can play Sunday, Josh cannot) and in the long term (Jakobi is in year 1 of a 3 year deal and is as close to "under team control" as you can get in football, Josh will be a FA). While Josh has some arguable mid-term advantages over Jakobi (he probably still has a higher ceiling and maybe a lower floor, as a player, assuming he's healthy), they're not guaranteed or especially measurable compared to the short and long term benefits of Jakobi, and while you hate to hold a guy's history against him when he's worked so hard to turn the page, there are non-zero chances that medium or long term investments in Josh are riskier than your average player, or at least presents more and different risks than investing in Jakobi.
But man, this was a year of teasing. It was so close to being the thing.
Could anyone have imagined saying in 2013 that, in the same season, the Pats would cut Antonio Brown, Demaryius Thomas, and Josh Gordon?
In 2013 they had the following stats:
AB: 110 receptions, 1499 yards, 8 TDs
JG: 87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs
DT: 92 catches, 1430 yards, 14 TDs
In 2013 they had the following stats:
AB: 110 receptions, 1499 yards, 8 TDs
JG: 87 catches, 1646 yards, 9 TDs
DT: 92 catches, 1430 yards, 14 TDs
I honestly never saw a JG cut coming that didn’t involve substance abuse. Figured he was a mainstay unless the league stepped in.
It's going to be pretty clear if he looks like he's washed whenever he signs elsewhere.
I'm old enough to remember when we were shocked Belichick cut Leigh Bodden.
He never looked quite right after Week 1. The inefficiency was becoming an issue. He may be more useful in a different offense not the quick strike approach the Patriots employ.
COuld be wrong but I do think it was performance related relative to the Sanu trade and the progress of Meyers and Harry.
Yup. He wasn’t getting separation and the hands/focus were a problem, especially the first Jets game. He did rebound in the 2nd half so I think there is still a place for him in the league but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him have a Demaryius-like impact somewhere else. I think Sanu/Harry might be a pretty big upgrade.
I'm probably in the minority, but after week 1 AB was signed and I think Gordon felt like he was left in the AB shadow. I think Gordon checked out for a bit, and then got dinged up in subsequent weeks.
Looks like Josh will be released in about 1-2 weeks:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27932856/sources-josh-gordon-return-ir-released-1-2-weeks
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27932856/sources-josh-gordon-return-ir-released-1-2-weeks
Bengals have top priority but that may change. It would be interesting if he makes it to the Falcons, though they are cap strapped.