Jordan Richards traded
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Have to think JMac sticks now. Probably inactive a lot of weeks but provides depth at both CB and S.
Wait, so does that mean under certain circumstances the Patriots would get no pick? Either way, I think it's fair value, I'm just curious.
Not sure. Maybe it turns into a 2020 7th if he isn't on the roster for a certain percentage of games. This means he was getting cut if they couldn't trade him. I thought his ST value would save him.
My guess is that if he makes the Falcons roster, the pick conveys. Otherwise, nothing.
He gawn! (In the spirit of this weekend)
What a waste of a high round pick
Addition by subtraction
In McCourties we trust
What a waste of a high round pick
Addition by subtraction
In McCourties we trust
He led the team in ST snaps last year by a significant margin (of course, both Slater and Ebner were hurt).
It's obviously a small return but to quibble just a tiny bit we've seen trades in the past year where it has been something like a player and a high 7th for a low 6th. Actually "conditionally" adding a pick is a better return than moving down a handful of spots in the draft.
Sorry for the derail.
BB adding to his recent impressive body of work that 1st and 2-rounders are superflous to winning.
Just comfort yourself with the fact that they got Trey Flowers and Shaq Mason in the fourth round of that draft.
This is comedic gold, good work.
Man he was brutal, a second round pick, high football IQ coming out of Stanford, what a bust.
Him and Eugene Wilson, two stiffs drafted high, both picks at the time where true WHO?!?!? moments, followed by Mel Kiper with "A guy they could have had in the 5th round"...……….
Horrible wastes of draft capital.
You mean Tavon, the guy who has started the last two seasons for Detroit? I agree he didn’t really pan out like hoped but he was a late 2 who has had a productive career. That’s not awful.
Unless you’re truly going back 15 years.
Yeah Tavon, the one from Illinois.
He was awful here, good for him he caught on with the Lions.
Yeah, Tavon.
Not sure if you heard; he's gone on to lead the Lions defense to back to back 9-7 seasons.
OTOH Duron Harmon was even more obscure (though a third compared to a second) and he has worked out great. And to be fair, that was a brutal draft for mid-round DBs: Senquez Golson, D'Joun Smith, James Sample, Alex Carter, Jalen Collins ... yikes.
Seems pretty strait forward, but do you think this means Jason McCourty will now make the team or is he still on the bubble?
I don’t see how you can call Tavon Wilson a waste of a pick. Sure he never became a starter but he was an important special teams contributor and I don’t think it’s unfair to say that he must have been viewed as quality depth by the coaching staff based on the fact that he signed a 2nd NFL contract and is contributing to another team.
I don’t know where to find these stats but I’m confident that if we looked at the % of late 2nd round picks that sign a 2nd NFL contract many people would be surprised by how low it is.
Sure I’d love the Pats to consistently find starting quality players anywhere in the 2nd round but that’s not reality. People’s expectation of the median contribution of players from the late 2nd round is likely extremely disconnected from anything based on facts.
I don’t know where to find these stats but I’m confident that if we looked at the % of late 2nd round picks that sign a 2nd NFL contract many people would be surprised by how low it is.
Sure I’d love the Pats to consistently find starting quality players anywhere in the 2nd round but that’s not reality. People’s expectation of the median contribution of players from the late 2nd round is likely extremely disconnected from anything based on facts.
Same with Richards, if we’re being honest. He was a contributor on special teams and a defensive sub for much of 3 seasons — that’s not great but it’s also not what i would call a disaster for the last player taken in the 2nd round.
Take 2015: The next pick after Richards was a CB for the Colts named D’Joun Smith who was already out of the league by last year. The next safety taken was in the 4th round (by the Jaguars) and is also basically out of the league.
Exactly.
Also ... that “literal coach one the field” line was pure gold by the way.
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I was reading and replying to your mix up as you were clarifying, so apologies, but Tavon's been in the league for 7 years, I'm pretty sure thats a good hit on a mid second round draft pick, even if somewhat underwhelming. That's not a "horrible waste of draft capital". I'm also not sure why you think any one player "leads" a defense or if you get what the hit rate is in that range and that even beyond that how much it fluctuates year to year. The only guys picked in that range they could have used for that team that we'd look back better on is Lavonte David or Casey Hayward (who they still could have taken, but traded down). Possibly Zach Brown, but he's pretty much done.
Kiper? Seriously? One of my best memories of Kiper is when BB picked Cassel and Kiper didn't even know who he was. Watching him scramble on live TV was frigging epic. That guy did ok for himself too.
BB has his misses, but they're only put under the microscope because he get lauded for his draft acumen so much.
I think he pretty much has to make it by process of elimination (Damarius Travis? A.J. Moore?), but I don't think he's going to contribute much unless there are injuries.
Kind of, but on the other hand he was a bad fit with the Pats. He couldn't get on the field defensively after his rookie year, when he had a couple brutal lapses, including a game-losing one against Seattle. He's talented but he was unreliable and that doesn't play in NE.
One of the advantages the Patriots have with Belichick running back scouting and coaching is that they know what do with the players they acquire; it's unusual they have a miss like Tavon where they have a guy who has NFL talent and they can just never manage to use him in the best way. You can argue that's not a scouting / draft failure but it doesn't really matter (and it all rolls up to the same guy anyway).
I’ll stop with the pure gold and look ahead not back. There isn’t enough lipstick.
Thanks, pretty much as I figured, making the team due to process of elimination.
Yeah Darius Butler was another who they could never seem to get to play the way they wanted him to but he had a decent career too
That's like leading the league in PA's or FGA, is it not? Was he actually good, or did BB just want to get value out of him away from "defense?"
And with the state of kickoffs, you can pretty much stick anyone out there. Not sweating a slight downgrade, if there even is one, from Richards to the next guy for a handful of punts each game.