John Clayton: Peyton Manning headed for retirement?

[soxhop411]

Amy Lawrence
RTAmyLawrenceESPN @ClaytonESPN just told me Peyton Manning is likely headed for retirement, not just parting ways w/Colts. Stunning. I'm in total denial.

https://twitter.com/...840570240933888

 

[Valek123]

That would be horrible, as much as I hated watching him play against the Pats I have always greatly respected him and it would be sad to see him leave this way. Here's hoping this rumor is crap and he ends up a quarterback in the NFC.

 

[I am an Idiot]

Every single time Peyton Manning might do something, you do not have to start a thread. Restraint is a virtue.

 

[ScubaSteveAvery]

The best part is that if Manning is retiring Rob Lowe scooped the entire sports industry on a surprise retirement, which would be awesome.

 

[lexrageorge]

First, there is nothing wrong with starting a new thread. Although the title should be more clear that this is truly a rumor/hearsay than actual information.

It would hardly be horrible. Longevity and football do not go together, and even the best players will retire sometime.

 

[mauf]

The story has been picked up by Deadspin and the Huffington Post, both citing the Lowe tweet as their sole source. To be fair, Deadspin's article had a mocking tone, suggesting even they don't think the story is true.

 

[Kutcher Era Youth]

I won't believe it until I hear it from Judd Nelson.

 

[Mooch]

I can't weigh in on this topic until it's confirmed by two more legit sources:

Andrew McCarthy and Judd Nelson.

EDIT: Curse you, Kutcher Era Youth!

 

[czar]

Rob Lowe breaking news in Indiana? Makes sense.

 

[Kutcher Era Youth]

Haha perhaps we're not as clever as we thought we were!

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

St Elmo's Fire continues to dominate the 2012 postseason.

 

[glennhoffmania]

I kept hearing that he was going to Miami or Washington. As a Phins fan, this would be very disappointing news.

 

[Williams Head Case]

If Rob Lowe were still working in the Bartlett Administration, I might trust his sources more.

 

[CheapSeats]

i will eat my shorts, if an actor actually breaks this news...

I've always considered Sam Seaborn to be a pretty trustworthy guy.

 

[soxhop411]

Judy Battista @judybattista1m
Aha! RT @AlbertBreer: @RyFo18 @judybattista Correct. @RobLowewas 1st person @JimIrsay followed on Twitter. Before @nfl. Before@nflcommish.

could Rob Lowe's source be.......... The owner?

 

[E5 Yaz]

Would Peyton retire ... and become the head coach? Where's Mare Winningham on this?

 

[HangingW/ScottCooper]

So the non sports minded person that sits next to me at work overheard the Peyton Manning conversation. I feel her response was as ridiculous as this entire scenario...

“Oh, is that the quarterback that was on that Disney channel movie?”

She clarified that this was a pretty good movie. I just looked on IMDB, nothing. She called her friend who she presumably saw the movie with… It was The Game Plan. The Rock’s daughter in this movie… Peyton.

 

[Corsi]

 

[Carmine Hose]

Why exactly would he retire when he's got a $20+ million check due to him in 6 weeks? The Colts could cut him before that, but then he's free to either retire or sign with another team. You can't walk away until you at least have a free agency option.

 

[Marbleheader]

Save Ferris.

 

[AlNipper49]

Archie Manning debunked this

 

[glennhoffmania]

What the hell does he know? It's not like he generally gets involved with his kids' football dealings.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Rob Lowe proves as reliable as soxhop's Rogers Centre source

 

[dcmissle]

Archie Manning debunked this

It annoys me to no end that he is up to his eyeballs in his grown sons' business. And Andrew Luck's too. Douche.

 

[soxhop411]

RT @JimIrsay: My sources tell me Rob will star in an epic remake of "Deep Throat" with aging porn stars and 4 finger circus clowns!

ok thats a way to debunk a rumor.

 

[LogansDad]

It annoys me to no end that he is up to his eyeballs in his grown sons' business. And Andrew Luck's too. Douche.

No shit, if I was Luck I would tell the Colts that part of his contract needed to be a restraining order keeping Archie away from him and his teammates at all times.

 

[Marbleheader]

RT @JimIrsay: My sources tell me Rob will star in an epic remake of "Deep Throat" with aging porn stars and 4 finger circus clowns!

ok thats a way to debunk a rumor.

Awkward.

 

[axx]

Why exactly would he retire when he's got a $20+ million check due to him in 6 weeks? The Colts could cut him before that, but then he's free to either retire or sign with another team. You can't walk away until you at least have a free agency option.

It's $28M and because the injury isn't getting any better.

 

[Otis Foster]

No shit, if I was Luck I would tell the Colts that part of his contract needed to be a restraining order keeping Archie away from him and his teammates at all times.

Archie's bravura act at the time of the draft simply deepened my hatred of the Jints and NY sports teams in general.

 

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

Fairly obvious that Manning is still furious about this, and not so happy about all the firing going on.

This is an interesting read. I've never been able to even mildly dislike Manning, so I feel bad for the guy. He deserves the Elway treatment in Indy.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120124/SPORTS15/120124015/Kravitz-Manning-says-Irsay-not-Grigson-will-decide-his-future-Colts?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com

 

[DegenerateSoxFan]

Loved Manning's latest quote (just saw it on ESPN):

"I didn't know that Soda Pop Curtis was going to announce my retirement."

 

[abty]

It would be a shame if he can't retire with his team the way Elway did (as stated above) or the way Brady will. Andrew Luck better be Aaron Rodgers. I say he'll bust under the pressure if it gets to that point but we'll see.

 

[m0ckduck]

Loved Manning's latest quote (just saw it on ESPN):

"I didn't know that Soda Pop Curtis was going to announce my retirement."

Stay gold, Ponyboy.

 

[loshjott]

One thing I'm taking from this whole situation is you never, ever know how things will finish up for Brady and Belichick in New England. 18 months ago who could ever have predicted that the Colts would go 2-14, Polian would be fired, Manning possibly forced out of the league via injury and totally fed up with the Colts organization.

Irsay, Polian, and Manning seemed like a rock solid troika heading up a stable (no pun intended) organization. Things can be rotten in the background and go south real quick in any organization.

 

[Scriblerus]

I think this situation shows a lack of organizational foresight. When Brady went down for the season, the Patriots didn't fall apart, Belichick recognized that he still had the rest of his team to work with and adjusted, almost making the playoffs with Matt Cassel. That success in the face of adversity is due to an organizational structure and philosophy for success that goes beyond one player.

The Colts showed that they had a weak management that relied on the presence of one player. I can see the Patriots having issues when Belichick and/or Brady retires, but I doubt we'll see a season like the Colts just experienced.

 

[Shelterdog]

I think this situation shows a lack of organizational foresight. When Brady went down for the season, the Patriots didn't fall apart, Belichick recognized that he still had the rest of his team to work with and adjusted, almost making the playoffs with Matt Cassel. That success in the face of adversity is due to an organizational structure and philosophy for success that goes beyond one player.

The Colts showed that they had a weak management that relied on the presence of one player. I can see the Patriots having issues when Belichick and/or Brady retires, but I doubt we'll see a season like the Colts just experienced.

The Patriots have also put more than token resouces into the backup QB position. The colts used a 2004 6th round pick on Sorgi and a 2009 6th on Painter and that was it until this year. The Pats used a third on O'Connell, a third on Mallett, they've brought in a few free agents (Andrew Walters) and they've had real competition for the backup spot (notably, having Hoyer beat out O'Connell, cutting guys like Guttirez who must not have been progressing, and opting to let Davey go when it would have been easy to keep him).

It seems a lot more likely that the Pats would have an adequate backup than the Colts-and they did in 2008-but hopefully we don't find out any time soon.

 

[Groovenstein]

It would be a shame if he can't retire with his team the way ... Brady will.

:lol:

Little too early too say, brah.

 

[Granite Sox]

While I agree that a lack of organizational foresight may be at work here, I don't think the parallels are the same if Brady suddenly left the team. Indy still had All-Pro's in Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis playing. Those guys undoubtedly received an image boost from playing with Manning, but the team STILL should not have been 2-14 bad with talent like that on the field. I think it came down to coaching (especially on the offensive side) and Polian hubris. Adequate back-up to Brady or not, there's just no way a Belichick team folds like that.

 

[dcmissle]

The Patriots have also put more than token resouces into the backup QB position. The colts used a 2004 6th round pick on Sorgi and a 2009 6th on Painter and that was it until this year. The Pats used a third on O'Connell, a third on Mallett, they've brought in a few free agents (Andrew Walters) and they've had real competition for the backup spot (notably, having Hoyer beat out O'Connell, cutting guys like Guttirez who must not have been progressing, and opting to let Davey go when it would have been easy to keep him).

It seems a lot more likely that the Pats would have an adequate backup than the Colts-and they did in 2008-but hopefully we don't find out any time soon.

Yup. But in response to others, I'm not at all sure this is a management failure.

They drafted Manning, designed an offense tailored to his skill set, and appear to have ended a terrific run with a spectacular flameout that has positioned them to draft one of 2 very good QB prospects. Now I know they've been lucky on the timing, and other years could have ended disappointingly if Manning went down in, say, week 12. But he's proven durable -- and wouldn't you make that deal with the devil (putting all your eggs in these few baskets) when drafting him in "98 or "99 or whenever he came aboard?

I'm very skeptical that "no adequate sub" was the real reason the Polians were sent packing. It's awfully convenient for Irsay and the Polians, and Bill signed on to it a bit too quickly.

Edit -- I'm not suggesting that Polian always put the right amount of eggs in the right baskets. I probably would have allocated differently. I am suggesting that during these years, Peyton or bust -- forget the backup, is not crazy.

 

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

And now, the response:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17011555/colts-owner-not-wishes-manning-kept-comments-inhouse

Perhaps Jim Irsay should have been consistent with his father's style of communication, and had the response delivered to the press in a Mayflower van.

Manning deserves better. I don't ever want to see Brady in another uniform, and I don't ever want to see Manning play for anyone but the Colts.

 

[soxhop411]

since its coming from a legit reporter I am more inclined to believe it

 

[Salva135]

\ I don't ever want to see Brady in another uniform, and I don't ever want to see Manning play for anyone but the Colts.

Nobody does, but that's the nature of today's NFL. I have no illusions of Brady's final days with the Pats, it may not be pretty. But it won't detract from his accomplishments or meaning to the organization, he's a legend and always will be. My only solace is that if Brady is ever in another uniform, the Pats are likely to be well situated going forward and made the right decision, regardless of emotional attachment.

That said, I dream of Brady winning 3 more SBs and retiring as a Pat in full glory. But other than Elway, who goes out like that?

 

[E5 Yaz]

That said, I dream of Brady winning 3 more SBs and retiring as a Pat in full glory. But other than Elway, who goes out like that?

Bradshaw. Staubach.

 

[ThePrideofShiner]

since its coming from a legit reporter I am more inclined to believe it

You should edit the first post. Because the thread makes no sense otherwise.

You can't just change the thread title and the first post and expect people to understand why everyone is talking about Rob Lowe.

Anyway, John Clayton is a pretty good source. Sucks if it is true.

 

[BucketOBalls]

If it was really Clayton, why doesn't ESPN have anything? It's not in their twitter-link-thingimabob either. Not believing it.

Only reason Manning retires is so he can do the Favre thing and choose where he goes. Can't see him passing up a 28M bonus either. Even if he's gonna retire, it won't be until after that.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

What? He's not getting the 28mill because he's getting cut first.

The "Manning or bust" defense of Polian doesn't hold water. Other teams with All Pro quarterbacks use *some* resources to prepare for the possibility of an injury. The Colts did next to nothing and Polian publically scoffed at the idea that they should be looking to strengthen the position. His reasons for not doing so were totally illogical: Doesn't make sense to draft a back-up because it'll take us two years to develop him. All the more reason to get started!

That said, I agree with posts above that lack of an adequate backup was not the only reason--or even necessarily the main reason--that Polian got the axe. The reasons seem to have included the overall decline in the roster, which was already apparent in 2010, Bill's turning over player decisions to his son, and Irsay's unease with the way Bill interacted with the fans and media, especially in the wake of his decision to scrap the undefeated 2009 season.

 

[CSteinhardt]

What? He's not getting the 28mill because he's getting cut first.

What would be the going rate for buying a first-round pick? I'd guess Manning could get 2-3 of them from the right team. Is this worth paying him the $28M in order to be able to trade him instead of cutting him?

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

Everything I've read and heard is that the cap implications for both the Colts and any trade partner would make it virtually impossible to trade him. Also, it's not clear that the Colts will know whether he's healthy enough to play again before the bonus is due. In fact, every report I've seen recently is that his health will not be resolved by that time. Thus, it seems very likely that he'll be cut before he gets the 28 million.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Isn't this the Rob Lowe thread?

I don't understand retitling it and changing the links when the story changes. Either make it "the continuing rumors about Peyton's retirement", or start a new thread.

Meanwhile, I trust Rob Lowe more than John Clayton.

 

[wibi]

Everything I've read and heard is that the cap implications for both the Colts and any trade partner would make it virtually impossible to trade him. Also, it's not clear that the Colts will know whether he's healthy enough to play again before the bonus is due. In fact, every report I've seen recently is that his health will not be resolved by that time. Thus, it seems very likely that he'll be cut before he gets the 28 million.

Since his bonus is due on the 8th of March but trades cannot happen until the 13th of March there is no possible way Manning could be traded without the Colts picking up his contract bonus.