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I mean, he got torched on defense so it was at least somewhat impactful
not any worse than Brogdon or White, we'll have to wait for someone to pull the Spectrum data, but to my eye he was responsible for less scoring than Brogdon who both got bullied by jimmy just as badly, and did a worse job staying with shooters (him leaving Strus unguarded in the corner was one of the worst defensive series)
 

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not any worse than Brogdon or White, we'll have to wait for someone to pull the Spectrum data, but to my eye he was responsible for less scoring than Brogdon who both got bullied by jimmy just as badly, and did a worse job staying with shooters (him leaving Strus unguarded in the corner was one of the worst defensive series)
They have to find a way to keep Brogdon from getting switched on to Butler. Same issue as it was with Harden.
 

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When PP went in I feel like he was instantly switched to Butler who easily shot over him. I’m not at all pretending to be a coaching savant or anything, but me and probably thousands of other fans predicted that would happen while watching it live. Was CJM expecting something different?
 

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Pritchard was part of the crew that came out in the 4th with some energy and turned it back into at least a competitive game. Brogdon looked to me as effective as anyone on Butler, and was a net 0 for the game so they were worse with him off the court.

This was a 4 point game (less if they make some free throws) late in the 4th before Tatum and Brown decided to start shitting all over themselves in iso ball. I'm not sure that's on Mazzulla.
 

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Pritchard was part of the crew that came out in the 4th with some energy and turned it back into at least a competitive game.
Did he contribute, though? No points on 0-2 shooting with one assist. It's really just quite the head scratcher to go with the guy who was #10 in minutes for the regular season all of a sudden. I mean, if Grant and Hauser have something going on we don't know about - but it just seemed like CJM was trying to be too cute with throwing something different at Miami.
 

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Single game +/- is very rarely indicative of what happened in the game.

To switch gears to a topic that never gets discussed around here…with regards to CJM and his timeout usage, I thought that the regular season credo of “no timeouts, figure it out yourself” was to prep the team for the playoffs and help them build up some muscle memory in a scramble/the team had no timeouts to take. I understand that idea and, honestly, it’s probably smart for a team that has championship aspirations.

However….we are in the playoffs now. We’re not building to something, it’s already built. If the team is completely floundering like it was in the 3rd quarter, take the timeout
 

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Did he contribute, though? No points on 0-2 shooting with one assist. It's really just quite the head scratcher to go with the guy who was #10 in minutes for the regular season all of a sudden. I mean, if Grant and Hauser have something going on we don't know about - but it just seemed like CJM was trying to be too cute with throwing something different at Miami.
I thought he played well off-ball on D, he never left his shooter, which everyone else was doing. On offense he spaced some. Overall not enough to be worth playing again, but my guess is he got the call because he's quick enough to navigate screens that Grant or Hauser might not when chasing VIncent.
 

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To switch gears to a topic that never gets discussed around here…with regards to CJM and his timeout usage, I thought that the regular season credo of “no timeouts, figure it out yourself” was to prep the team for the playoffs and help them build up some muscle memory in a scramble/the team had no timeouts to take. I understand that idea and, honestly, it’s probably smart for a team that has championship aspirations.
Well, that regular season strategy is sure paying dividends in the playoffs /s :)
 

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It's amazing/annoying how much I think about timeouts now. Decades of watching the NBA and there's always been a general timeout cadence as teams go on runs and coaches try to stem the tide. Now, I watch the C's and... there's no release. The team is literally spiralling down the drain and the faucet continues to run. Opposing coaches must curse the tv timeouts when their team goes on a run. Yes, the C's got it down to 4 in the 4th - imagine where they'd be if they hadn't given up 40+ points in the 3rd. It's beyond frustrating to watch. I don't understand the strategy now that we're in the playoffs. Kerr and Spoelstra seem to have no problem using their timeouts when an opposing team goes on a run and they're not dummies. I can't prove a negative that the C's wouldn't have given up 40+ anyway if CJM used some timeouts in the 3rd, but it couldn't have been much worse.
 

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It's amazing/annoying how much I think about timeouts now. Decades of watching the NBA and there's always been a general timeout cadence as teams go on runs and coaches try to stem the tide. Now, I watch the C's and... there's no release. The team is literally spiralling down the drain and the faucet continues to run. Opposing coaches must curse the tv timeouts when their team goes on a run. Yes, the C's got it down to 4 in the 4th - imagine where they'd be if they hadn't given up 40+ points in the 3rd. It's beyond frustrating to watch. I don't understand the strategy now that we're in the playoffs. Kerr and Spoelstra seem to have no problem using their timeouts when an opposing team goes on a run and they're not dummies. I can't prove a negative that the C's wouldn't have given up 40+ anyway if CJM used some timeouts in the 3rd, but it couldn't have been much worse.
i agrée. It’s also not just about stemming the momentum, but about taking a pause to make tactical adjustments and substitutions based on how you are seeing the other team tear you apart. The game is fluid, sometimes you need to take a pause to adjust your offensive or defensive strategy.
 

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Mazzulla has been on the record saying he wants to have both timeouts in his pocket to use when the game goes under three minutes. With seven total timeouts and four of them forced, that leaves one “spare.” It’s maddening that he used the “spare” timeout in the first quarter when the next whistle would have been a timeout charged to Miami.
 

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Mazzulla has been on the record saying he wants to have both timeouts in his pocket to use when the game goes under three minutes. With seven total timeouts and four of them forced, that leaves one “spare.” It’s maddening that he used the “spare” timeout in the first quarter when the next whistle would have been a timeout charged to Miami.
Some of you followed my team in the two big tournaments. I hindsight I lost the championship of one by saving my timeouts. As a coach we call ourselves "current" and the "current" view is to save your timeouts and let players solve problems. I at times wonder if am/was current or just trendy.
 

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Mazzulla has been on the record saying he wants to have both timeouts in his pocket to use when the game goes under three minutes. With seven total timeouts and four of them forced, that leaves one “spare.” It’s maddening that he used the “spare” timeout in the first quarter when the next whistle would have been a timeout charged to Miami.
These complaints about timeout usage would be better if people could show the harm.

To be clear, Mazzulla may well be negatively impacting the team's chance to win by not calling timeouts during certain sequences but how do you know? The Cs lost - how much can be ascribed to clock mismanagement?

That said, we have a bunch of folks who are all over the map about when TOs need to be called because they just know that's when a TO is normally called. I too watch a lot of hoops and I can say that I simply don't know when its optimal for a timeout to stem a run. I know when they typically get called but that doesn't tell me anything about their value in win terms.

In short, I would really like to look at what the league analytics people have on this topic though I suspect its not that definitive.
 

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Other teams drop 45 in a Q, no TO. That is at the least unexpected
I mean there was a timeout, he just didn't call it, it was automatic.

I noted it in another thread, but basically there was a quick 6 point run, people wanted timeout, Joe didn't take it, we got FTs.
Between that point and when the TV timeout would happen, there was all of 2 points swing. The team settled in, they weren't playing great, but they also didn't get blown off the floor. Got to the timeout... then just hung around until late in the quarter where they traded 2s for 3s on a couple possessions, then an unanswered 3, suddenly you went from tied to down 9
 

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These complaints about timeout usage would be better if people could show the harm.

To be clear, Mazzulla may well be negatively impacting the team's chance to win by not calling timeouts during certain sequences but how do you know? The Cs lost - how much can be ascribed to clock mismanagement?

That said, we have a bunch of folks who are all over the map about when TOs need to be called because they just know that's when a TO is normally called. I too watch a lot of hoops and I can say that I simply don't know when its optimal for a timeout to stem a run. I know when they typically get called but that doesn't tell me anything about their value in win terms.

In short, I would really like to look at what the league analytics people have on this topic though I suspect its not that definitive.
It’s all about maximizing win probability. If you’re about to turn the ball over, a timeout is worth roughly 1.0 expected points because history tells us that’s what an NBA possession is worth. I think all would agree burning a timeout is well worth that trade off.

When the Celtics were down by one and had two timeouts to advance the ball, but instead held for the last shot (which came after the buzzer) that sacrificed win probability by having one chance to make a shot instead of two. Obviously that loss cannot be ascribed to clock management alone, but that decision definitely hurt, not helped the Celtics win the game.

As for yesterday, I think it’s pretty clear. If timeouts are a scarse resource, then using one in the first quarter when the next stoppage was Heat charged timeout was a bad decision. It also gave the heat an extra “spare” timeout. You can look at my post history, I haven’t been begging CJM to call timeouts at the slightest hint of adversary like other’s have. I think there have been clear errors such as this and Sixers game 4, and I’ve always cited examples.
 

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I'm at the point that I just want Mazzulla out. Has no business coaching this team.
If they don't win it all he has to go.
Guy is so unbelievably defensive whenever he's asked legitimate questions and his roster management is a mystery. I mean as mentioned earlier how he just seems to pick moments to insert a random player who hasn't had any minutes in weeks into a game during a key moment is a head scratcher. Also his obsession with everything being keyed off the offense, like defense doesn't matter. Just convert open looks and everything will fall into place.

I mean last night when he was asked if they were ready and he immediately barks that they were prepared and out played Miami for 3 1/2 quarters followed by Brown coming out and saying they weren't ready and showed up like it was a regular season game is troubling. Not to mention last week Smart going on about how Joe has often been criticized and rightfully so is unheard of.

Was rooting for him to succeed earlier in the season but whether it's his age or lack of experience he just looks way over his head.
 

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If they don't win it all he has to go.
Guy is so unbelievably defensive whenever he's asked legitimate questions and his roster management is a mystery. I mean as mentioned earlier how he just seems to pick moments to insert a random player who hasn't had any minutes in weeks into a game during a key moment is a head scratcher. Also his obsession with everything being keyed off the offense, like defense doesn't matter. Just convert open looks and everything will fall into place.

I mean last night when he was asked if they were ready and he immediately barks that they were prepared and out played Miami for 3 1/2 quarters followed by Brown coming out and saying they weren't ready and showed up like it was a regular season game is troubling. Not to mention last week Smart going on about how Joe has often been criticized and rightfully so is unheard of.

Was rooting for him to succeed earlier in the season but whether it's his age or lack of experience he just looks way over his head.
Out of curiosity did you want Ime fired after they lost in the finals last year? I ask because I don't think there is any difference between the two in terms of coaching. Arguably I'd say Joe was better in the regular season, about the same in the playoffs, though maybe Joe made 1 mistake in the PHI series that was notable, but generally same level of coaching and similar results, just expectations are higher this year.
 

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Jason Tatum will decide Joe's fate. He is a young coach and may deserve blame for some ill-prepared games, but they also played well in an epic game 7. If Tatum really likes to work with him and wants him to stay Brad can maybe guide Joe with some specialist assistants, but he will want to keep Tatum happy.
 

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Out of curiosity did you want Ime fired after they lost in the finals last year? I ask because I don't think there is any difference between the two in terms of coaching. Arguably I'd say Joe was better in the regular season, about the same in the playoffs, though maybe Joe made 1 mistake in the PHI series that was notable, but generally same level of coaching and similar results, just expectations are higher this year.
This wasn't addressed to me and I don't think Mazzulla should be fired after this year (unless he does something just colossally stupid, which I don't think will happen). I also wasn't a huge Udoka fan but I do think there are some clear differences between the two.

-Ime seemed to break through to the Celtics halfway through the year and their effort, and defensive success, skyrocketed. I think that people give him credit for that and more of a leash, whereas Mazzulla inherited a team that was fully formed (and more talented). Part of the leash that Ime was given was that last year he was a first time coach and people expected him to get better this year. Unfortunately, because of the circumstances of this team being championship or bust, CJM has really not been afforded that leash. That's the biggest thing to me.

-Ime also constantly harped on things that are easier to see (effort and defense) and therefore easier to digest. Mazzula harps on things like shot variance, shooting more 3 pointers, and spacing. That, in and of itself, will turn off a certain segment of fandom. IMO, I think the thing that this group needs hammered into them more than anything is focus and effort.

-Ime made better in-game adjustments than Joe. I attribute all of this to the fact that Ime had an awesome coaching staff while Joe seems to barely have a coaching staff period.

-While all of the players have credited CJM and said that he has done a good job, I think they all really loved Ime and thought the world of him.

-Udoka represented himself far better in the media than Joe does. Ime appeared calm and collected and seemed to know when to call out players publicly (something that the media always eats up). CJM really doesn't do himself any favors with his media appearances. He has a weird kind of spastic energy to him and seems to get offended more easily than your typical head coach. My friend, a big NBA fan but not a Celtics fan, texted me one of his press conference clips from the Sixers series and his only comment was "This guy seems kind of strange and not together".
Personally, I don't care about this stuff at all but if people do care about the coach handling the media, I can understand why they wouldn't love his style.
 

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These complaints about timeout usage would be better if people could show the harm.

To be clear, Mazzulla may well be negatively impacting the team's chance to win by not calling timeouts during certain sequences but how do you know? The Cs lost - how much can be ascribed to clock mismanagement?

That said, we have a bunch of folks who are all over the map about when TOs need to be called because they just know that's when a TO is normally called. I too watch a lot of hoops and I can say that I simply don't know when its optimal for a timeout to stem a run. I know when they typically get called but that doesn't tell me anything about their value in win terms.

In short, I would really like to look at what the league analytics people have on this topic though I suspect its not that definitive.
The first thing that comes to mind anecdotally is yesterday's 4th Q. The Heat are up by 12 to begin it. C's quickly go on 7-0 run to cut it to 5. TO Spoelstra. He didn't wait for the C's to possibly build on the run. He stopped everything.

I don't think CJM should be fired no matter how this goes. He's got his strengths and it seems he has player support. As others have noted, he could use some more assistants, particularly one with a lot of NBA experience. He's young and he'll learn. I just wish he'd get the TO bugaboo figured out pronto - I think he's struggling managing them and it's hurting the team.
 

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Out of curiosity did you want Ime fired after they lost in the finals last year? I ask because I don't think there is any difference between the two in terms of coaching. Arguably I'd say Joe was better in the regular season, about the same in the playoffs, though maybe Joe made 1 mistake in the PHI series that was notable, but generally same level of coaching and similar results, just expectations are higher this year.
No, didn't want him fired. To me playing smothering defense is paramount and leads to success on the offensive side. It's exciting to watch. Ime got the team to play that type of defense but this year it's been missing. This team's roster is also better then last year's and healthier.
Ultimately it's on the players to perform but as mentioned don't think Joe is the one to maximize their potential.
 

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Other teams drop 45 in a Q, no TO. That is at the least unexpected
Yeah, usually when a team is playing like shit, the coach will call time to let them mentally reset and catch a breath, then tell them they're playing like shit and draw up a play or two to stem the bleeding. I can appreciate the idea behind letting your professional basketball players figure out how to play basketball professionally, but you can't give them so much rope that they hang themselves before you do something. These are still humans who let the game speed up on them sometimes and try to do too much. The coach needs to coach, even if he feels it's telling them what they know. If they continue to shit the bed, at least he tried. That's just how I see it.
 

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I mean last night when he was asked if they were ready and he immediately barks that they were prepared and out played Miami for 3 1/2 quarters followed by Brown coming out and saying they weren't ready and showed up like it was a regular season game is troubling. Not to mention last week Smart going on about how Joe has often been criticized and rightfully so is unheard of.
Wait a minute. I heard that interview. Joe's point was that the Cs were up 9 at the half - we'd all think that a team leading by 9 at the half would be considered "prepared." I mean it wasn't just chance they had a lead.
-Udoka represented himself far better in the media than Joe does. Ime appeared calm and collected and seemed to know when to call out players publicly (something that the media always eats up). CJM really doesn't do himself any favors with his media appearances. He has a weird kind of spastic energy to him and seems to get offended more easily than your typical head coach. My friend, a big NBA fan but not a Celtics fan, texted me one of his press conference clips from the Sixers series and his only comment was "This guy seems kind of strange and not together".
This is revisionist history. People hated how Ime handled himself at press conferences - particularly as he seemed to blame the players and mot "take any accountability." I remember after the NYK game when Barrett hit the game winner, the guys from CsBeat spent most of their podcast ripping Ime over his post-game presser.

CJM is super hyper and conducts press conferences like he plays basketball. While it may not be for some, it has no indication of whether he can coach.
 

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Wait a minute. I heard that interview. Joe's point was that the Cs were up 9 at the half - we'd all think that a team leading by 9 at the half would be considered "prepared." I mean it wasn't just chance they had a lead.

This is revisionist history. People hated how Ime handled himself at press conferences - particularly as he seemed to blame the players and mot "take any accountability." I remember after the NYK game when Barrett hit the game winner, the guys from CsBeat spent most of their podcast ripping Ime over his post-game presser.

CJM is super hyper and conducts press conferences like he plays basketball. While it may not be for some, it has no indication of whether he can coach.
I made it very clear in my post that I didn’t think that had any indication of whether he could coach (in the part you didn’t quote for some reason?). Some people do care about how coaches appear in the media. In caps this time for emphasis…PERSONALLY I DONT.

People hated them at the beginning of the year. By the end of the year, seeing that it worked and the players seemingly responded to it, people definitely didn’t have a problem with it and seemed to think it was a good motivation tactic
 

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I made it very clear in my post that I didn’t think that had any indication of whether he could coach (in the part you didn’t quote for some reason?). Some people do care about how coaches appear in the media. In caps this time for emphasis…PERSONALLY I DONT.

People hated them at the beginning of the year. By the end of the year, seeing that it worked and the players seemingly responded to it, people definitely didn’t have a problem with it and seemed to think it was a good motivation tactic
I don't know if I'd say that people didn't a problem with Ime at the end of the year as much as the Cs were beating everyone so badly, there wasn't much for Ime to say. I.e., people loved CJM when the Cs were having a historic offensive season at the beginning of the year.

But my point is that people were killing Ime for the way he dealt with rhe media at points last year. I'll also predict that people are going to kill him again as he talks about how guys have to grow up after another HOU loss.
 

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It’s all about maximizing win probability. If you’re about to turn the ball over, a timeout is worth roughly 1.0 expected points because history tells us that’s what an NBA possession is worth. I think all would agree burning a timeout is well worth that trade off.

When the Celtics were down by one and had two timeouts to advance the ball, but instead held for the last shot (which came after the buzzer) that sacrificed win probability by having one chance to make a shot instead of two. Obviously that loss cannot be ascribed to clock management alone, but that decision definitely hurt, not helped the Celtics win the game.

As for yesterday, I think it’s pretty clear. If timeouts are a scarse resource, then using one in the first quarter when the next stoppage was Heat charged timeout was a bad decision. It also gave the heat an extra “spare” timeout. You can look at my post history, I haven’t been begging CJM to call timeouts at the slightest hint of adversary like other’s have. I think there have been clear errors such as this and Sixers game 4, and I’ve always cited examples.
To clarify, while I responded to you, I meant those complaining about timeouts in general.

I guess my question is - how much of that expected single point is assigned to calling a timeout? Or are you arguing that we should assume a full one point for a TO (maybe that's entirely reasonable, maybe not)?

I know there are studies out there that find that TOs do tend to stem runs and do result in better opportunities on the follow however that's going to vary based on teams, game context etc.

Again, if we believe Mazzulla is leaving win probability on the table, it would help to see the actual impact.

I would not be surprised to find that Mazzulla's style is indeed costly and alternatively I wouldn't be shocked if his clock management doesn't really have a meaningful impact. It would also be interesting to know what informs Mazzulla's approach - by many accounts he is a fan of analytics so presumably he is sticking with this strategy because he's seen supporting evidence that it works.

In short, its really hard to have a discussion about this topic unless you just assume timeouts are meaningful in terms of win probability. We need more evidence imo.
 

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We need more evidence


Is there even a readily available data source to examine this?
I searched and even used the AI applications but no dice on actual data thus far. Of course that could be a function of user error.

As a side note like with everything else, ChatGPT/Bard makes asking very specific NBA questions much easier than it used to be. I wouldn't want to be a third party aggregator site for sports stats going forward (e.g. statmuse or even any of the B-Ref properties). I imagine their traffic will dwindle in the coming months.
 

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Joe Mazzulla has two children and a job that requires a ton of watching film.

If he truly watches The Town 4 times a week, all 2 hours and 4 minutes of it, then I don’t care about timeouts or adjustments…I truly wonder about the man’s mental health
 

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I hope after watching The Town as often as he does, CJM can now understand the answer to the question, who's car we taking, is they're taking your car Joe, as you won't know it's gone until it's too late.
 

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Rightly or wrongly, my general perception, and of course, just picking up the breadcrumbs from player statements, is that I don't think they would care one bit if CJM was fired - provided they were on board with whomever replaced him. They are absolutely quick to say that JM has done a good job, but that's usually after breathlessly talking about Ime for 5 minutes. Ime definitely captivated them in a way that CJM has not.

Hopefully they win it all, and I still think there's a very good chance that happens, and all of this will be mostly forgotten until next season :)
 

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No, didn't want him fired. To me playing smothering defense is paramount and leads to success on the offensive side. It's exciting to watch. Ime got the team to play that type of defense but this year it's been missing. This team's roster is also better then last year's and healthier.
Ultimately it's on the players to perform but as mentioned don't think Joe is the one to maximize their potential.
I don't think you can talk about the lesser defense and say this team has been healthier when Rob Williams played 1804 minutes last year, and 824 this year.

That's a pretty big factor defensively

Smart also 350 minutes less than last year
 

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The thing killing me about the team and CJM is how we got to this point and we don’t have an 8th guy we trust. Hauser played in 80 regular season games yet we can’t play him at all? Grant can’t play at all? Seems like total mismanagement of the regular season to not have an 8th man ready for the playoffs.

I am also half expecting to hear Grant has shoulder surgery once the year ends and that makes me more understanding. If he is healthy I really don’t get it.
 

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I don't think you can talk about the lesser defense and say this team has been healthier when Rob Williams played 1804 minutes last year, and 824 this year.

That's a pretty big factor defensively

Smart also 350 minutes less than last year
Maybe not the whole year, but I think they're definitely healthier now than they were at this point last season. Brown's hand is a major problem and Smart is banged up, but basically everyone else is fine. Last year, Tatum had his wrist (and I believe he hurt his shoulder against Miami), Brown had a hamstring injury in round 1, Rob missed a bunch of playoff games, both Horford and Smart missed games in the ECF, on and on. Rob Williams in particular is looking far better this postseason than he did last year, not even taking into account all the games he missed.
 

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I don't think you can talk about the lesser defense and say this team has been healthier when Rob Williams played 1804 minutes last year, and 824 this year.

That's a pretty big factor defensively

Smart also 350 minutes less than last year
Also, defense is relative to the league and varies year to year based on what refs are calling etc.... even with very few TL minutes, this was the 2nd best defense in the league.
 

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I don't think you can talk about the lesser defense and say this team has been healthier when Rob Williams played 1804 minutes last year, and 824 this year.

That's a pretty big factor defensively

Smart also 350 minutes less than last year
That's very fair. I was thinking about the team's health currently, as in the playoffs.

Joe's insistence on the offense being the key to all things is real though.
 

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His substitutions cost them the game tonight. Al Horford had nothing tonight. On offense he stood in the corner unguarded. On defense he got cooked time and again by Bam. He couldn't grab a rebound. Rob Williams effectively guarded Bam, and broke the zone on offense. He played 23 minutes, and just about nothing down the stretch, when Miami scored at will.

Likewise, White was very good tonight, and played only 23 minutes.

While Grant Williams played well on the offensive end, he could not defend Butler at all, but Mazzulla had Grant defend him repeatedly. It wasn't even that he got switched over, he was just on him.

He's a bad coach. Maybe he'll be a good coach eventually, but he is not now.
 

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I saw the Heat play in 2013 and more frequently I think I got to see Spoelstra coach as much as saying I saw peak LBJ.
Joe is overmatched.
The Cs ebnd of game possessions have such bad spacing and Tatum ends up driving into the teeth of the d, and only his talent an generous whistle gave them a chance.
Not only did the Heat get matchups they wanted, but the spacing and timing was such that Butler or Bam got the ball in place where help was difficult.
 

lexrageorge

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I saw the Heat play in 2013 and more frequently I think I got to see Spoelstra coach as much as saying I saw peak LBJ.
Joe is overmatched.
The Cs ebnd of game possessions have such bad spacing and Tatum ends up driving into the teeth of the d, and only his talent an generous whistle gave them a chance.
Not only did the Heat get matchups they wanted, but the spacing and timing was such that Butler or Bam got the ball in place where help was difficult.
I don't know if the solution is to give Joe a staff of experienced assistants (something all NBA teams but the Celtics have) or move on completely and go for one of the big names currently available. But something has to give. But coaching is also just one problem among several that need to be fixed for this team to be a serious contender.
 

Euclis20

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Even when they stop it, it's beyond frustrating to see Jimmy Butler get an entire side of the floor to himself to go 1v1 against whatever Celtic he wants to late in 4th quarters. Meanwhile Tatum keeps having to drive into and through zone geared entirely around stopping him. I get why switching everything and taking away open 3s works in the long run, but if our plan is to win this series by letting Jimmy get a series of 1v1s against a defender of his choosing in crunch time with nary a double in sight, we'll be lucky to avoid a sweep.
 

MannyRam

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Jaylen was truly awful (again). Getting beat off ball numerous times, not boxing out on rebounds, and getting a TO an a friggin inbound. When he has an off night scoring, he really brings nothing much else to the table. A super-max is somewhat of a risky proposition. Not sure what the right call is.
 

Auger34

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Jaylen was truly awful (again). Getting beat off ball numerous times, not boxing out on rebounds, and getting a TO an a friggin inbound. When he has an off night scoring, he really brings nothing much else to the table. A super-max is somewhat of a risky proposition. Not sure what the right call is.
This is the wrong thread but whatever…this is fucking moronic. Full stop. Just stupid as shit