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Watching the 49ers game yesterday and listening to the announcers (Schlereth?) talk about Jimmy, I would have thought he led the Patriots to their last two super bowl titles.

I think Jimmy will be really good and probably a Pro Bowl player someday, but I am not sure how special he will be. I am guessing I use "special" for guys like Brady and Rodgers, not Tony Romo.

I think Jimmy will be much closer to Romo than the other two, which by the way is an awesome deal for the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.
 

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Watching the 49ers game yesterday and listening to the announcers (Schlereth?) talk about Jimmy, I would have thought he led the Patriots to their last two super bowl titles.

I think Jimmy will be really good and probably a Pro Bowl player someday, but I am not sure how special he will be. I am guessing I use "special" for guys like Brady and Rodgers, not Tony Romo.

I think Jimmy will be much closer to Romo than the other two, which by the way is an awesome deal for the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.
If JG turns into Romo he’d be hugely successful. Romo was a stud and underrated. Considering Vince Young was a two time Pro Bowler, I’m not sure that’s a high bar to clear anymore. I fully expect him to be a top ten QB provided they surround him with some talent, but I think calling him special or great is a tad premature. He had six quarters on a loaded team last year playing against crap teams and two games on a bad team this year where he threw for a bunch of yards on two shitty pass defenses. I hope he turns out to be a great QB but it’s not like he’s done something we haven’t seen before.
 

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If JG turns into Romo he’d be hugely successful. Romo was a stud and underrated. Considering Vince Young was a two time Pro Bowler, I’m not sure that’s a high bar to clear anymore. I fully expect him to be a top ten QB provided they surround him with some talent, but I think calling him special or great is a tad premature. He had six quarters on a loaded team last year playing against crap teams and two games on a bad team this year where he threw for a bunch of yards on two shitty pass defenses. I hope he turns out to be a great QB but it’s not like he’s done something we haven’t seen before.
I am in agreement with you - good summary in your post.
I am not sure top 10 (guess it depends on the time frame used - but he is definitely no doubt top 15 in my opinion).
And I agree that Romo was great and underrated but he wasn't a top 10 QB to ever play the game.
When I hear "special" I think guys like Brady, Marino, Montana, Peyton, Rodgers, etc.
I don't think Jimmy gets to that level or even the hall of fame as I haven't seen enough yet to make that call.
 

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I said months ago that his downside was "regular starter for a few seasons", and that I hadn't seen anything from him that made me think his upside was anything less than a Pro Bowler. If the 49ers get a pro bowl season or two out of him they'll be over the moon about it. Talking about any more than that is a matter of black swan events; it's not just premature, it's so unlikely (for any QB prospect) as to be a silly discussion. But the odds of him being Pro Bowl quality have gone up, not down, over the last two weeks.
 

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I watched just about every one of the 9ers offensive plays that Jimmy has run this year (funny, when the other team got the ball, I might go to the other game or RedZone because I don’t care much about the 9ers). Anyway, thinking now about the guy’s possible weaknesses as a QB.

1. He’s unknown to me WRT throwing deep. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t have a Brown, or a Cooks, but I haven’t seen a deep ball from him yet. SSS still, though.

2. He may be a bit reckless on some throws. The great reception by Juszczk yesterday was thrown into tight double coverage. He was somewhat careless on some other throws but got away with it. SSS again about this possible weakness.

Again, SSS, but he checks all the boxes of throwing accuracy, whether moving to his right or to his left (on the latter, he may be elite); being able to stay out of danger, although he did get hit a lot by a tough Houston defense; decision making; throwing a nice, very catchable ball; leadership; what else?

I didn’t see all of the game plays when he started last year for NE, but I think he played the same way then (very well). Let’s see what weapons Lynch can come up with to complement the guy, like maybe a Rice and a John Taylor. Ha ha. Here's what Lynch had to say Saturday (pump your brakes a bit, John):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/09/john-lynch-my-bucs-teams-wouldve-won-five-rings-with-a-qb-like-jimmy-g/
 

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Watching the 49ers game yesterday and listening to the announcers (Schlereth?) talk about Jimmy, I would have thought he led the Patriots to their last two super bowl titles.

I think Jimmy will be really good and probably a Pro Bowl player someday, but I am not sure how special he will be. I am guessing I use "special" for guys like Brady and Rodgers, not Tony Romo.

I think Jimmy will be much closer to Romo than the other two, which by the way is an awesome deal for the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.
I hear you. I think he is going to be an elite player and much better than Romo. Of course I cannot prove it but that's my sense.

I use "special" as a current assessment sparingly. Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the only active QBs I would put in that category. But it's fair game to talk about guys who you think have the chance to be there. That they haven't shown in yet makes it all very speculative but so be it. I think Jason Tatum very well could be a special player one day, too.

To be very clear, I put this entirely in the subjective bucket. There's no argument to be won here from my perspective. I mentioned to make sense of my main point which was that watching Jimmy do well out of the gate in SF is bittersweet for me. Not that it matters much to anyone else, but I tend to view anyone not on the Pats as "other" and as a fan who doesn't do fantasy, having ANY attachment or interest in guys not in NE is pretty unusual for me.

Parenthetically, I do think that Jimmy is very different than other players that Bill has parted with in that the handy "how many guys have prospered outside NE?" comment doesn't apply given the unique circumstances around Jimmy (young, blocked by the GOAT, effective economic compulsion, etc.). That, too, proves nothing but it does reduce the efficacy of one of the ways in which we rationalize Bill's moves that we don't immediately understand or like.

So yeah, I well appreciate that very few guys earn or deserve the "special" moniker and yeah, I do think Jimmy will one day deserve that label. We shall see and I hope I'm right. I think. Maybe.
 
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<captain obvious> Avoiding injury? He's had only a handful of starts, but suffered a significant injury in one of them. And it wasn't a fluke— he took a big hit vs. Miami because he didn't bail early enough on the play.

I mean, it's way too early to say whether that one Kiko Alonso hit was predicative of anything. But, on the eve of the Carson Wentz injury, it's worth noting that "self-preservation" is a key QB skill. </captain obvious>
 

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I watched just about every one of the 9ers offensive plays that Jimmy has run this year (funny, when the other team got the ball, I might go to the other game or RedZone because I don’t care much about the 9ers). Anyway, thinking now about the guy’s possible weaknesses as a QB.

1. He’s unknown to me WRT throwing deep. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t have a Brown, or a Cooks, but I haven’t seen a deep ball from him yet. SSS still, though.

2. He may be a bit reckless on some throws. The great reception by Juszczk yesterday was thrown into tight double coverage. He was somewhat careless on some other throws but got away with it. SSS again about this possible weakness.

Again, SSS, but he checks all the boxes of throwing accuracy, whether moving to his right or to his left (on the latter, he may be elite); being able to stay out of danger, although he did get hit a lot by a tough Houston defense; decision making; throwing a nice, very catchable ball; leadership; what else?

I didn’t see all of the game plays when he started last year for NE, but I think he played the same way then (very well). Let’s see what weapons Lynch can come up with to complement the guy, like maybe a Rice and a John Taylor. Ha ha. Here's what Lynch had to say Saturday (pump your brakes a bit, John):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/09/john-lynch-my-bucs-teams-wouldve-won-five-rings-with-a-qb-like-jimmy-g/
From what I have seen - mostly condensed games / highlights - I would also mention that several of his big plays have come throwing off his back foot. One of his TD against Miami last year was too (maybe 2 of them, can't remember). He has good arm strength and accuracy but no matter who you are that's a bad habit. It's one of the few things I would say gives me pause about him.

Edit: game highlights from yesterday


Completion at 1:40 seems off back foot. Completion at 2:00 seems off back foot. 3:00 off back foot. 5:52. 6:04. 6:35.

I'm far from a QB mechanics expert. Just seems like he doesn't bring his momentum forward on a lot of these throws.
 
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I hear you. I think he is going to be an elite player and much better than Romo. Of course I cannot prove it but that's my sense.

I use "special" as a current assessment sparingly. Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the only active QBs I would put in that category. But it's fair game to talk about guys who you think have the chance to be there. That they haven't shown in yet makes it all very speculative but so be it. I think Jason Tatum very well could be a special player one day, too.

To be very clear, I put this entirely in the subjective bucket. There's no argument to be won here from my perspective. I mentioned to make sense of my main point which was that watching Jimmy do well out of the gate bittersweet for me. Not that it matters much to anyone else, but I tend to view anyone not on the Pats as "other" and as a fan who doesn't do fantasy, having ANY attachment or interest in guys not in NE is pretty unusual for me.

Parenthetically, I do think that Jimmy is very different than other players that Bill has parted with in that the handy "how many guys have prospered outside NE?" comment doesn't apply given the unique circumstances around Jimmy (young, blocked by the GOAT, effective economic compulsion, etc.). That, too, proves nothing but it does reduce the efficacy of one of the ways in which we rationalize Bill's moves that we don't immediately understand or like.

So yeah, I well appreciate that very few guys earn or deserve the "special" moniker and yeah, I do think Jimmy will one day deserve that label. We shall see and I hope I'm right. I think. Maybe.
Makes sense.
My wife is a huge 49ers fan, so getting to watch Jimmy grow will be fun.
It would have been nice if it would have worked out in New England, but unfortunately he was blocked by Brady.
And as long as Brady is still playing like he is currently, Jimmy just isn't good enough to be better than Brady and there is no shame in that.
 

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From what I have seen - mostly condensed games / highlights - I would also mention that several of his big plays have come throwing off his back foot. One of his TD against Miami last year was too (maybe 2 of them, can't remember). He has good arm strength and accuracy but no matter who you are that's a bad habit. It's one of the few things I would say gives me pause about him.

Edit: game highlights from yesterday


Completion at 1:40 seems off back foot. Completion at 2:00 seems off back foot. 3:00 off back foot. 5:52. 6:04. 6:35.

I'm far from a QB mechanics expert. Just seems like he doesn't bring his momentum forward on a lot of these throws.
Are you sure the bolded isn't a feature rather than a bug? Kidding, sort of, but did he have time to step into the throws more in which he threw off the back foot? We know well from watching Brady over the years that the toughest defense for him over the years has been rushes straight up the middle, which makes you throw off the back foot a lot. You may have something here though. Time will tell.
 
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“He had six quarters on a loaded team last year playing against crap teams and two games on a bad team this year where he threw for a bunch of yards on two shitty pass defenses. I hope he turns out to be a great QB but it’s not like he’s done something we haven’t seen before.“

Can you provide examples of this? Playing six quarters for a loaded team against crap teams, and then playing 2 games for a crap team against shitty pass defences (I think I got the scatology analogy correct ) .
 

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I am not sure top 10 (guess it depends on the time frame used - but he is definitely no doubt top 15 in my opinion).
And I agree that Romo was great and underrated but he wasn't a top 10 QB to ever play the game.
Are you guys taking top 10 all time? Those are some awfully high expectations.
 

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Are you guys taking top 10 all time? Those are some awfully high expectations.
No I was talking top 10 this season and next.
I would be shocked if he ended up a top 10 QB of all time.
I currently see Jimmy as a really good starter, but for just next year (not counting injuries) he is not in my top 10 (he is really close though).
 

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Call Romo what you want - underrated, choker, Hall of Very Good, etc. - he's a Super Bowl caliber QB on a better team than the turn of the decade Cowboys. If that's a reasonable comp for JG, the 9ers will gladly pay him near the highest QB money for the next 10 years. "Much better than Romo" implies a ceiling I think is unreasonable to project after 4 starts, but he really doesn't have to be to take a decent team to the promised land.
 

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Call Romo what you want - underrated, choker, Hall of Very Good, etc. - he's a Super Bowl caliber QB on a better team than the turn of the decade Cowboys. If that's a reasonable comp for JG, the 9ers will gladly pay him near the highest QB money for the next 10 years. "Much better than Romo" implies a ceiling I think is unreasonable to project after 4 starts, but he really doesn't have to be to take a decent team to the promised land.
I get confused by the idea of "Much better than Romo" but not special like Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. Who's the comp for that? Romo was probably somewhere in the 5-8 range in ranking the league's QBs for most of his career. I guess maybe Drew Brees? That still seems optimistic.

If I had to guess, I have JG's upside as Matt Ryan. Good for a decade, probably around 7-10 in the league for the most part of it, can be a top 5 guy for his 2-3 best seasons. Obviously any non-Pats team would sign up for that. He already seems to have met the bar of not being out of place in the league - is Matt Schaub a (non horrible injury) downside comp? Guy went to a couple of Pro Bowls, but you never felt his team was a real contender (though he went down late in seasons a couple times while playing well). Tyrod Taylor? Tannehill?
 

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Can he stop winning though? He's hurting our draft pick.
Even jokes aside, isn't it in the interests of both the 49ers and the Patriots, now that they know he's capable of starting for them and winning games, to shut him down with the Hellenic flu? In an otherwise lost season, they wouldn't want him to knock them from the #3 (where they're at now at 3-10) down to #9-11 (where they'd be with 5 wins). The difference between getting a Saquon Barkley, vs (say) pick-your-lineman from Notre Dame, would be pretty substantial to them.

Remaining schedule: vs TEN (winnable), vs JAX (serious challenge), @LAR (ouch). Maybe he'll lose all of them anyway, but JG has already taken them from "doormat, rest some starters" to a team those opponents will need to take very seriously.
 

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I get confused by the idea of "Much better than Romo" but not special like Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. Who's the comp for that? Romo was probably somewhere in the 5-8 range in ranking the league's QBs for most of his career. I guess maybe Drew Brees? That still seems optimistic.

If I had to guess, I have JG's upside as Matt Ryan. Good for a decade, probably around 7-10 in the league for the most part of it, can be a top 5 guy for his 2-3 best seasons. Obviously any non-Pats team would sign up for that. He already seems to have met the bar of not being out of place in the league - is Matt Schaub a (non horrible injury) downside comp? Guy went to a couple of Pro Bowls, but you never felt his team was a real contender (though he went down late in seasons a couple times while playing well). Tyrod Taylor? Tannehill?
Very good summary.
I think the confusion is that I posted I don't see him as special (and used the names you referenced).
There was a post calling JG special and projecting as much better than Romo.
The post saying he wasn't special said a best case scenario was like Romo not much better than Romo.
I could be wrong in my summary though.
 

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Completion at 1:40 seems off back foot. Completion at 2:00 seems off back foot. 3:00 off back foot. 5:52. 6:04. 6:35.
I was just coming to post something about how so many of his throws are off the back foot. I'm no QB coach, but it seems unusual and potential harmful to his long-term success.
 

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I was just coming to post something about how so many of his throws are off the back foot. I'm no QB coach, but it seems unusual and potential harmful to his long-term success.
Considering how bad that o-line has been, him getting a throw off at all is a miracle on a lot of plays.

The key will be him not getting conditioned to those types of throws.
 

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I love the Romo comparison by the way. Similar build (both 6'2, 225-230). Seemingly similar mobility. Possibly similarly susceptible to injury.
 

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I love the Romo comparison by the way. Similar build (both 6'2, 225-230). Seemingly similar mobility. Possibly similarly susceptible to injury.
Same school and handsomeness too! And both guys got their shot at age 26 after sitting behind a Patriots great...
 

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Very good summary.
I think the confusion is that I posted I don't see him as special (and used the names you referenced).
There was a post calling JG special and projecting as much better than Romo.
The post saying he wasn't special said a best case scenario was like Romo not much better than Romo.
I could be wrong in my summary though.
TheoShmeo seems to think he'll be better than Romo but not special. I don't think there's a lot of space between 'Romo' and 'special,' though I get what he's trying to say (ie "I'm really bullish but projecting HOF level play is out there for anyone"). I was kinda responding to the whole subconversation, not just the quoted bit. Do most people have 'Romo' as a middling outcome? It's kind of hard to come up with middling and non-injury downside projections in the NFL, just because guys that are even below average aren't often starters for more than a couple of years. I'd take him over Bortles for next season, for instance. People like Flacco, Eli, Dalton are often cited as 'lol they suck' QBs but they'd all be outcomes you'd accept for a high second rounder quite easily (though the contract situation complicates things - Dalton has been an obvious positive for Cinci over his career, but I think most of the surplus value came during his rookie deal. If I had the choice of the fifth pick in the second round, or Dalton from the point he signed his extension on, I'd probably do it if I don't have a starting-caliber QB, but I'd at least have to think about it).
 

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TheoShmeo seems to think he'll be better than Romo but not special. I don't think there's a lot of space between 'Romo' and 'special,' though I get what he's trying to say (ie "I'm really bullish but projecting HOF level play is out there for anyone"). I was kinda responding to the whole subconversation, not just the quoted bit. Do most people have 'Romo' as a middling outcome? It's kind of hard to come up with middling and non-injury downside projections in the NFL, just because guys that are even below average aren't often starters for more than a couple of years. I'd take him over Bortles for next season, for instance. People like Flacco, Eli, Dalton are often cited as 'lol they suck' QBs but they'd all be outcomes you'd accept for a high second rounder quite easily (though the contract situation complicates things - Dalton has been an obvious positive for Cinci over his career, but I think most of the surplus value came during his rookie deal. If I had the choice of the fifth pick in the second round, or Dalton from the point he signed his extension on, I'd probably do it if I don't have a starting-caliber QB, but I'd at least have to think about it).
I think at worst for next year Jimmy is a top 15 QB in the league. That means he is better than a majority of other starting QBs.
I really can't be any more specific than that as the 49ers need a lot of help on offense.
 

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I think at worst for next year Jimmy is a top 15 QB in the league. That means he is better than a majority of other starting QBs.
I really can't be any more specific than that as the 49ers need a lot of help on offense.
Yeah, I think it's quite possible he's merely 15-20, won't lose you games but won't win them either. SF doesn't have a ton of talent but does have cap space and a high first rounder, so that might make him look better. I do think there's a decent chance his best is merely Flacco or Eli level, which probably isn't enough to make SF a contender while he's there when you consider he'll be on a Free Agent level contract or tag for most of it, unless the Front Office hits it out the park with all their other moves.
 

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Even jokes aside, isn't it in the interests of both the 49ers and the Patriots, now that they know he's capable of starting for them and winning games, to shut him down with the Hellenic flu?
You'd lose the other players I would think. Having a good QB helps everyone. They're playing for their jobs.
 

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Yeah, I think it's quite possible he's merely 15-20, won't lose you games but won't win them either. SF doesn't have a ton of talent but does have cap space and a high first rounder, so that might make him look better. I do think there's a decent chance his best is merely Flacco or Eli level, which probably isn't enough to make SF a contender while he's there when you consider he'll be on a Free Agent level contract or tag for most of it, unless the Front Office hits it out the park with all their other moves.
This is the sad part. They had a very young talented team and a great coach (tantrums aside, Harbaugh led the team to 3 straight NFC Champinoships, one Super Bowl, and they were one play away from winning the SB). I do not trust this FO at all. They destroyed the team when they finally took over after all the contriversy surrounding DeBartolo. Then Jed York takes over and hires Harbaugh, things look good, stadium gets built, they destry the team again.

How many free agents will be willing to go to SF?
 

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You'd lose the other players I would think. Having a good QB helps everyone. They're playing for their jobs.
Fair point.

I also love the Romo comparisons. Romo was fantastic at pinpoint midrange passing and not making dangerous, ill-advised throws, while also having more mobility than Brady or Peyton (and the corresponding injury risk).

The concerns about his deep throws seem overblown. Check out the Dolphins highlights from last year (1:07, 1:23, 1:38 particularly, 2:34 for a back-foot throw, and 2:49 for a throwaway that went 30 yards downfield). Against the Cardinals, there's that great highlight at 0:11, and check out 0:56, as well as 1:07 for the deep throw that basically won us the game.

Even against the Texans, there are plays where he hucks it. Maybe not Flacco / Rodgers balls, but he's made a few 25-30 yarders.
 

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This is the sad part. They had a very young talented team and a great coach (tantrums aside, Harbaugh led the team to 3 straight NFC Champinoships, one Super Bowl, and they were one play away from winning the SB). I do not trust this FO at all. They destroyed the team when they finally took over after all the contriversy surrounding DeBartolo. Then Jed York takes over and hires Harbaugh, things look good, stadium gets built, they destry the team again.

How many free agents will be willing to go to SF?
Free agents sign with bad franchises all the time, unless they're the kind of ageing veteran who has as much money as he needs and wants a ring. There just isn't that much money to go around. Jacksonville has consistently attracted relatively big-name free agents.
 

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This is the sad part. They had a very young talented team and a great coach (tantrums aside, Harbaugh led the team to 3 straight NFC Champinoships, one Super Bowl, and they were one play away from winning the SB). I do not trust this FO at all. They destroyed the team when they finally took over after all the contriversy surrounding DeBartolo. Then Jed York takes over and hires Harbaugh, things look good, stadium gets built, they destry the team again.

How many free agents will be willing to go to SF?
York gets no love for good reason from niners fans, but there’s an argument to be made he just made bad decisions with his gm (baalke). The gm and harbaugh hates each other and York made the wrong choice. He’s now completely cleared the decks and given Shanahan and lynch, who came in as a pair, 6-year contracts. The attitude around the team and front office seems vastly different than in years past.
 

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Obviously the edits here are meant to tell the story of how great Jimmy G is, his maturity, reads etc... but, uh, yeah, he comes off really well here. Preparing himself with his coach in anticipation of situations, coaching up his guys on what to look for before the drive, good reads and clock management ... total package.

 

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Those sideline pep talks... you could cover your eyes, listen to him, and think you were hearing Tom Brady.
I’ve noticed that too. Obviously a lot of the Master has rubbed off on him. Also, in press conferences you hear him deflect credit to a lot of other guys, talk about the importance of practice, and if you listen to his PC, there are other things he says that just sound like the New England way.

 

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As a Giants fan who loves Beckham's talent but gets pissed off with his other stuff, wonder what SF would give us in a trade for him, to pair him up with Garoppolo - they have the fifth pick overall as of now...is Beckham worth more than just a high 1st? A 1st and 3rd?

Just throwing it out there but I'm sure SF would love a stud WR to go with their new toy QB.

I'd love for a GM who can draft well to get two picks in the top 5 of this draft...
 

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I have watched all his games living out here in the Bay Area. He is a really good young QB, but he isn't and won't ever be Brady.
It also isn't doing any good for the Bay Area media to keep bringing up Montana.
Jimmy is going to be a good one and will probably have them in the playoffs in a few seasons, but all this all-time talk and winning the lottery talk should probably slow down.
I am eager to see how he plays against Jacksonville.
 

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How many free agents will be willing to go to SF?
Answer: quite a few. There's a new GM and coach running the show, and now a stud QB in town. Most free agents don't really care about what happened 4 or 5 years ago. Instead, they want to get paid on what is likely to be their one chance to score a big payday with guaranteed dinero. That's a huge factor in a league where one's career can unpredictably end on a single hit.
 

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As a Giants fan who loves Beckham's talent but gets pissed off with his other stuff, wonder what SF would give us in a trade for him, to pair him up with Garoppolo - they have the fifth pick overall as of now...is Beckham worth more than just a high 1st? A 1st and 3rd?

Just throwing it out there but I'm sure SF would love a stud WR to go with their new toy QB.

I'd love for a GM who can draft well to get two picks in the top 5 of this draft...
I think trading a top 5 pick for OBJ would be a mistake. The 49ers have many areas of need and JG is going to demand a lot of money next year. Balancing their roster with high talent players on rookie contracts is their best bet for a sustained rebuild.
 
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I still can't believe BB only got a 2nd rounder for him. You'd think he'd try - and one assumes he did - to get, say, a conditional pick to go along with it. If Jimmy signs w 49ers and they win 8 or more in 2018, N.E. gets an additional 2nd rounder or something in that world. I know, BB is some master negotiator or whatever, but the trade was made in ten minutes and SF seemed surprised and thrilled with the deal. Annoying.
 

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I have watched all his games living out here in the Bay Area. He is a really good young QB, but he isn't and won't ever be Brady.
It also isn't doing any good for the Bay Area media to keep bringing up Montana.
Jimmy is going to be a good one and will probably have them in the playoffs in a few seasons, but all this all-time talk and winning the lottery talk should probably slow down.
I am eager to see how he plays against Jacksonville.
He doesn't have to be Brady for SF to have won the lottery with Jimmy G. I mean if the standard is, "He isn't the best QB of all time," that's a pretty high bar, no?

SF went from Hoyer to Jimmy G, a guy who has been great thus far. It's fair to say SF has a lot of reasons to be happy.
 

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He doesn't have to be Brady for SF to have won the lottery with Jimmy G. I mean if the standard is, "He isn't the best QB of all time," that's a pretty high bar, no?

SF went from Hoyer to Jimmy G, a guy who has been great thus far. It's fair to say SF has a lot of reasons to be happy.
I agree with you 100%, but listening to the local media here in the Bay Area, one could be lead to believe that Jimmy will be a top 5 QB ever.
I am glad they (49ers fans) are excited and have ever reason to be, I am just saying it would be nice if the superlatives were just slightly tempered until he has played a little more.
 

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I have watched all his games living out here in the Bay Area. He is a really good young QB, but he isn't and won't ever be Brady.
It also isn't doing any good for the Bay Area media to keep bringing up Montana.
Jimmy is going to be a good one and will probably have them in the playoffs in a few seasons, but all this all-time talk and winning the lottery talk should probably slow down.
I am eager to see how he plays against Jacksonville.
Brady didn't really come into his prime as a passer until his 4th year as a starter and 5th year in the league. He was good before then, and has always been good with taking care of the ball and not making rash decisions, but there was a lot of developing he had to do.

Local sports media will say whatever serves them best at any given moment. Hoping they won't over-hype something is kinda hoping in vain.
 

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Brady didn't really come into his prime as a passer until his 4th year as a starter and 5th year in the league. He was good before then, and has always been good with taking care of the ball and not making rash decisions, but there was a lot of developing he had to do.

Local sports media will say whatever serves them best at any given moment. Hoping they won't over-hype something is kinda hoping in vain.
I disagree, in 2002 (year 3) he was a different QB than in 2001. They asked him to throw it over 600 times that year, including like 20 in a row in the season opener against the Steelers. Then he was pretty much the same QB to me from 2002-2006 until the Moss/Welker acquisitions, and everything changed after that.

Edit: that's not to say he wasn't improving every year from 2002 to 2006, he clearly was. But the huge jump for Brady I think occurred between years 2 and 3.
 

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The reason I think Jimmy is going to be fantastic is that Cleveland saying "what if we'd just offered more" for the next decade feels likely.
 

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I still can't believe BB only got a 2nd rounder for him. You'd think he'd try - and one assumes he did - to get, say, a conditional pick to go along with it. If Jimmy signs w 49ers and they win 8 or more in 2018, N.E. gets an additional 2nd rounder or something in that world. I know, BB is some master negotiator or whatever, but the trade was made in ten minutes and SF seemed surprised and thrilled with the deal. Annoying.
Everyone had the Patriots over a barrel. Jimmy G, because he sensibly and understandably was not going to hit the delay button on his career. All potential suitors because they correctly figured out that the Pats were not going to tie up cap money in a franchise move. The timing was not great in terms of who is coming out in this draft and who may be available as FAs. Finally, a factor underestimated all along — BB wanted no part of JG signing on with a well run AFC team.

It’s a perfect storm, and Lynch was smart enough to recognize the opportunity.

If TB were not TB — if he were merely Joe Montana — the Pats would have cut the cord with him at the end of this season and moved forward with Jimmy G.
 

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Conspiracy theory: BB shipped him out so he can start and play for an offensive coach he respects. He gets paid. Brady lasts as long as JG’s contract lasts with SF. JG returns to the Patriots.
What’s in it for the 49ers?