Jimmy G to 49ers for 2nd round pick

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I fully acknowledge that this did not play out 100% how they had hoped. But by the time this week rolled around, I think they were resigned to having to trade him. Given that, I highly doubt they just talked to one team and took the first offer. I mean, that's just not how they do business.
Isn't the quote that they made the deal in 10 minutes w/ SF?

I don't see how the trade impacts a judgement about whether Schefter's report was accurate. He was talking about their posture toward a trade during the spring. They traded him during the fall. The two could easily both be true.

There has not been a single report since last February along the lines of "This team entered into serious negotiations with the Patriots on Garoppolo but they just couldn't get a deal over the line." What we have are media insiders like Schefter saying the Patriots were not interested in trading JG for virtually any price, the 49ers publicly saying they made an approach in the spring but were "rebuffed," etc.

Again, its possible that they did have serious discussions in the spring and they've just never come to light. But the preponderance of the evidence points to them essentially shutting down trade discussion - either by telling teams JG wasn't available or by making an initial ask so high that nothing got going - in the offseason, then changing course later.
I'm unclear why so many are disputing MMS's take. Clearly there's a "we don't know what we don't know" element, that is always strong with the Pats. That said, based on what we know and can reasonably infer, sure seems MMS's are Occam's Razor-ish, giving all due space to nothing being certain.
 

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Also, if Jimmy's not going to stay in Cleveland, where does he go next? To another AFC (East) contender? Deal him somewhere in the NFC where he wants to stay, and remove a potential improvement to a conference/division rival.
 

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Intimating that they did Brady's agent a solid.
He's JG's agent, too. There's probably a lot of ways a player/agent can be non-cooperative when making a deal. Not that they can deep-six it, but I'm sure there's a way for that agent to get a message to the Browns essentially saying that JG wouldn't re-sign if they trade for him (actually, they can probably just SAY this outright, there's no tampering on the agent side, right?)
 

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He's JG's agent, too. There's probably a lot of ways a player/agent can be non-cooperative when making a deal. Not that they can deep-six it, but I'm sure there's a way for that agent to get a message to the Browns essentially saying that JG wouldn't re-sign if they trade for him (actually, they can probably just SAY this outright, there's no tampering on the agent side, right?)
I think that was the point.
 

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I guess the 49ers don't care so much about the #2 pick, if Jimmy turns out to be pretty good. NYG have figured out the tanking thing by benching Eli and playing Geno.

I wonder how much a good or bad performance will affect his price tag in Free Agency?
 

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I guess the 49ers don't care so much about the #2 pick, if Jimmy turns out to be pretty good. NYG have figured out the tanking thing by benching Eli and playing Geno.
I don't think tanking works in football anyway. You've got too many players for one guy to make that much of a difference, unless it's an elite quarterback, and even he's going to need help.

They’re going to franchise him anyway, so not at all.
Garoppolo's not getting to free agency, but I imagine SF will want to work out something longer-term.
 

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Seems to me 49ers are playing this smart. They gave him a few weeks to get acclimated. They are starting him on the road in a winnable game against a team with a good defense but nothing on the other side of the ball.
 

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I guess the 49ers don't care so much about the #2 pick, if Jimmy turns out to be pretty good. NYG have figured out the tanking thing by benching Eli and playing Geno.

I wonder how much a good or bad performance will affect his price tag in Free Agency?
They've got Jax, LA Rams, Titans left outside of the Bears and Texans, so they're not likely to win more than 3 of those games, likely they win only 2 of them.

4-12 may be bad enough to get them the #3 pick. Not a bad trade off to get to see 5 games of the guy you're giving $25 million to next year.
 

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A little late for this, which I did see Sunday night: guys on one of the local Bay Area sports recap shows were lamenting that there were some cheers when Beathard went down, and, of course, more cheers when Jimmy came in. Mark Ibanez, forever local 49er TV guy and Bubba Paris reporting, saying you cheer when the hurt guy gets up and leaves the field and for Jimmy’s TD pass, but not when the guy you’re not crazy about gets hurt. They are right, of course, but people here were getting tired of waiting for Jimmy.
 

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In some kind of intrinsic sense or are you saying it's not that hard to get to the Super Bowl?
No. Not at all. That came out wrong.
It was more about the QB play has been relatively poor the last several years (not counting the year that Kap and Smith led them to the SB).
Still even those years, the defense was the main strength of those teams.
I meant that Jimmy G should be better than Hoyer, Gabbert, Beathard, Kap (post SB), and most of Smith's tenure with the 49ers.
And my post was more what the fans seem to hope.
I go to the games as a Pats fan with my wife (a 49ers fan).
 

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No. Not at all. That came out wrong.
It was more about the QB play has been relatively poor the last several years (not counting the year that Kap and Smith led them to the SB).
Still even those years, the defense was the main strength of those teams.
I meant that Jimmy G should be better than Hoyer, Gabbert, Beathard, Kap (post SB), and most of Smith's tenure with the 49ers.
And my post was more what the fans seem to hope.
I go to the games as a Pats fan with my wife (a 49ers fan).
To add here, Kap was a momentary blip for Niners fans. It's also been J.T. O'Sullivan, Troy Smith, Ken Dorsey, Tim Rattay, Shaun Hill, Trent Dilfer, ect. And Alex Smith was only competent under Norv Turner and Harbaugh for a year. Otherwise, he would also fall into this category.
 

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I watched the 49er game with an eye on the Pats game thread. About Jimmy, he looked pretty damn good. First, he’s pretty quick back there. No Russell Wilson yet, but he gets out of trouble pretty easily. I know he got hurt last year against Miami. Passing, he’s very accurate, under pressure too. He had an INT but it was a completion on which his receiver had the ball ripped out by a stronger defender. He was pretty much putting the ball in receivers’ hands, and his receivers are all JAGs, or replacement level or worse. Also, the plays being sent in were often run, run, pass, run, run, pass. Thanks a lot. Or, maybe it was a matter of the reduced playbook they’re still using with him. Not sure he had many long throws, so no conclusion on arm strength.

He’s the kind of guy you’d like to have when Tom gets to 45 and retires. Oh well. Couldn’t do it.

Edit, maybe something rubbed off from Tom: I don’t think he’ll ever be as fiery as Tom, but he looked like a budding leader and field general. Again, not another Tom, but who is? SSS of course, of course.
 
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Thanks Al. Also had this review from the game thread:

He looked really good. They couldn't finish drives which led to all the FGs. His interception was just amazing defense. He actually completed a pass for a first down, but the defender ripped it out of the receivers hands (the opposite of Gronk's catch today).
Overall, he looked like he did against the Cardinals last year. I didn't see the same skill as the first half of the Dolphins' game last year, but that is most likely the result the talent disparity between the Pats and 49ers.
Sounds like plenty of reason for optimism in the bay area.

I do wonder a bit how likely the SF front office is to surround him with offensive weapons going forward. A musing for the offseason, I suppose.
 

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They have about $115M in cap space for next year, with rollover. I’m not sure exactly who’s out there, but I’m pretty sure Lynch can make or break his career as a GM by what he does this offseason.
 

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I watched the 49er game with an eye on the Pats game thread. About Jimmy, he looked pretty damn good. First, he’s pretty quick back there. No Russell Wilson yet, but he gets out of trouble pretty easily. I know he got hurt last year against Miami. Passing, he’s very accurate, under pressure too. He had an INT but it was a completion on which his receiver had the ball ripped out by a stronger defender. He was pretty much putting the ball in receivers’ hands, and his receivers are all JAGs, or replacement level or worse. Also, the plays being sent in were often run, run, pass, run, run, pass. Thanks a lot. Or, maybe it was a matter of the reduced playbook they’re still using with him. Not sure he had many long throws, so no conclusion on arm strength.

He’s the kind of guy you’d like to have when Tom gets to 45 and retires. Oh well. Couldn’t do it.

Edit, maybe something rubbed off from Tom: I don’t think he’ll ever be as fiery as Tom, but he looked like a budding leader and field general. Again, not another Tom, but who is? SSS of course, of course.
And just to add one last piece...he did lead the game winning drive, a 14 play 86 yard drive.
He was 5/6 on the drive for 56 yards and completed 3 third downs.
 

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Sounds like plenty of reason for optimism in the bay area.
Reason for optimism, yes. But the level of exuberance in the press out here over a no-TDs QB performance against the pretty meh Chicago Bears is remarkable. Based on the media response to the game last night, you'd think Jimmy G was a combination of Joe Montana and Tom Brady.

Next week's game v. the Texans is pretty big. After next week, the Niners should lose the rest of their games fairly easily (TEN, JAC, LAR). If they lose out and stay at 2 wins, the Niners will be drafting solidly in the top 3, and possibly higher if the Giants manage to win one. If they jump to 3 wins, they're then in a mix with the Broncos, Colts and Bucs and could draft as low as sixth, which would hurt the value of the Pats' second-rounder.
 

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I'm usually not a proponent of spending big draft resources on the RB position, but I'd love to see what Saquon Barkley and JG could do together in the Shanahan offense. Barkley has LaDainian Tomlinson-level upside as an all around RB that can do something amazing anytime he gets into space. He is completely electric.
 

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Booo!!!! Jimmy you are supposed to play well but lose the games. Killing our draft pick!!!!! That Bill was going to trade away anyways, but still. Come on Man!
 

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Booo!!!! Jimmy you are supposed to play well but lose the games. Killing our draft pick!!!!! That Bill was going to trade away anyways, but still. Come on Man!
My dream scenario is SF finishing behind the Jets (highly likely), who use their 1st on a non-QB after missing out on the top guys going to the likes of Cleveland and NYG. Pats then steal a QB at the top of round 2, he becomes a stud Brady replacement, and whoever the Jets get falls on his face.

Edit: Caveat that I know nothing about any draft prospects, QB or otherwise.
 

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The San Jose mercury news is the shittiest news organization I’ve ever known. Journalistic integrity of a goddamn door nail.

That said, I hope jimmy g is great in SF.
 

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Jimmy's really ruining the value of the compensation we got for him, isn't he
Jimmy is playing better than any other QB they had this year (not a high bar), but I would guess the 49ers still get a top 5 pick.
They are bad. They only beat the Texans because Savage got hurt and still had some timely turnovers to aid in the win.
 

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Jimmy's really ruining the value of the compensation we got for him, isn't he
SF's 3 remaining games are against teams that are likely making the playoffs though. Gonna be tough for them to keep winning.
 

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SF's 3 remaining games are against teams that are likely making the playoffs though. Gonna be tough for them to keep winning.
I remember them saying something similar about a young Tom Brady...
 

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Seeing Jimmy thrive is a real mixed bag for me. I think he has the potential to be s special QB, liked the idea of Bill playing out his option as long as possible and wish Jimmy was still on the Pats, even while I well understand the arguments in favor of a trade.

One thing seems clear to me: Jimmy will be a great NFL QB well after Tom is gone. That doesn’t mean that the Pats should have kept him. Not at all. But that, and that I just enjoy watching him play, will continue to make his success a bittersweet experience for me.
 

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One thing seems clear to me: Jimmy will be a great NFL QB well after Tom is gone. That doesn’t mean that the Pats should have kept him. Not at all. But that, and that I just enjoy watching him play, will continue to make his success a bittersweet experience for me.
2 games. He’s played 2 games. Let’s pump the brakes a bit no?
 

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I dont know how successful JG will be going forward. But I am confident of this: the Brady-led Patriots could win 5 more superbowls, and, if some JG-led team wins in 2027, after Brady's retired, the hot-take machine will call Belichick "arrogant" for trading JG back in '17.
 

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2 games. He’s played 2 games. Let’s pump the brakes a bit no?
You can.

I think he’s going to be a special QB. I base that on what I saw against Arizona and Miami, Belichick’s comments about him, how he’s performed in his first two starts in SF and my general sense of him.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’ve been watching the NFL since the early 70s and there have been very few QBs I’ve felt this way about so early in his career. That doesn’t make me right and I get that the evidence so far is relatively thin. But I’m not trying to prove anything here. I was just sharing how I feel about him. I’m guessing that others feel similarly and others, like you, are taking a more hard boiled approach.
 

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I especially like the fact that he was ultimately traded for a second rounder - and the guy at the Browns who stockpiled picks but didn't trade any for a competent QB is now unemployed.

Jimmy G may only have two Ws this year, but that's two more than Cleveland has.