Jets: Ride Saleh Ride

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The best way I can put it is: I don’t mind that they signed Flacco; I do mind that they were in a position to have to sign Flacco if this is what they were going to do if Zach got hurt. it’s a bit incoherent. I wonder if this comes from ownership.
 

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Jets' Joe Flacco: Six TDs in four starts overall
by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire


Flacco finishes the 2020 season with 864 yards, six touchdowns and three interceptions.

Flacco compiled those numbers over five appearances (four starts) while going winless for a Jets team that finished 2-14. He'll likely land a role as a veteran backup somewhere next season on a contract similar to the one-year pact he signed with New York in 2020.
 

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The best way I can put it is: I don’t mind that they signed Flacco; I do mind that they were in a position to have to sign Flacco if this is what they were going to do if Zach got hurt. it’s a bit incoherent. I wonder if this comes from ownership.
Yeah, seems like they went with the approach of making it clear to Wilson it was his team, so there could be no veteran presence at the position, but never considered the possibility the backup would actually need to, you know, play.
 

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It's particularly weird because Mike White wasn't really that bad last week. I get that Belichick would have torn him up with some film on the guy and probably backed off a bit with pressure once the Pats had a bigger lead, but that's true of anyone.

I actually do kind of feel bad for Saleh here.
 

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Yeah, seems like they went with the approach of making it clear to Wilson it was his team, so there could be no veteran presence at the position, but never considered the possibility the backup would actually need to, you know, play.
I don't necessarily think they never considered it. It's possible that they intended to make it clear to Wilson that the job was his and also recognize that, should he get hurt and have to miss multiple games, the cost to acquire a veteran placeholder QB wouldn't be prohibitive at all.
 

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Yeah, seems like they went with the approach of making it clear to Wilson it was his team, so there could be no veteran presence at the position, but never considered the possibility the backup would actually need to, you know, play.
Interestingly you could make this criticism of the Pats too, since I don’t think Hoyer at this point is any better than Mike White.
 

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I don't necessarily think they never considered it. It's possible that they intended to make it clear to Wilson that the job was his and also recognize that, should he get hurt and have to miss multiple games, the cost to acquire a veteran placeholder QB wouldn't be prohibitive at all.
But wouldn’t you at least want this guy practicing with you all spring / summer / fall?
 

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Interestingly you could make this criticism of the Pats too, since I don’t think Hoyer at this point is any better than Mike White.
I think Hoyer even at this point is better than Mike White, but even if he weren't, he's still a veteran presence that can be helpful to Mac in a number of ways. I don't get how you go into a season with a rookie QB and no experience in your QB room.
 

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But wouldn’t you at least want this guy practicing with you all spring / summer / fall?
Me? Yes!

Them? Who knows? Maybe they really wanted Wilson to get all the reps in camp and thought an established veteran wouldn't agree to that set-up?
Maybe they thought a veteran presence would hurt his confidence
Maybe they REALLY didn't like the FA options at the time and decided to handle it on the FA / trade market if they need arose.

My point was that they could have planned to handle this situation this way as opposed to being surprised, etc. Certainly doesn't make it the correct decision, though!
 

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Me? Yes!

Them? Who knows? Maybe they really wanted Wilson to get all the reps in camp and thought an established veteran wouldn't agree to that set-up?
Maybe they thought a veteran presence would hurt his confidence
Maybe they REALLY didn't like the FA options at the time and decided to handle it on the FA / trade market if they need arose.

My point was that they could have planned to handle this situation this way as opposed to being surprised, etc. Certainly doesn't make it the correct decision, though!
And to the bolded, what makes it even more interesting is that they barely played Wilson in the preseason. I bet Mac took like 3x the amount of snaps during the preseason games.

It's all really odd how they have handled the situation. Almost Jets-esque. Oh wait.
 

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And to the bolded, what makes it even more interesting is that they barely played Wilson in the preseason. I bet Mac took like 3x the amount of snaps during the preseason games.

It's all really odd how they have handled the situation. Almost Jets-esque. Oh wait.
Jets had a lot of joint practices with other teams (Packers, Eagles), I would need more data on this “didn’t play a lot in the preseason” he took all the reps in camp and the joint practices. Preseason games are kind of a joke. He looked dominant because no one was trying to confuse him and most teams were playing backups against him even to start the game. The joint practices were more of a legit competition than the preseason games.
 

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Jets had a lot of joint practices with other teams (Packers, Eagles), I would need more data on this “didn’t play a lot in the preseason” he took all the reps in camp and the joint practices. Preseason games are kind of a joke. He looked dominant because no one was trying to confuse him and most teams were playing backups against him even to start the game. The joint practices were more of a legit competition than the preseason games.
Yeah I mean that is all fair, and it's only one data point. I still would have tried to get my guy more live action even if the joint practices are good competition. Mac played plenty in the joint practices too.
 

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At what point does he think they started running up the score? The Pats were running almost exclusively in the 4th Q, and they only scored 23 points in the 2nd half.
I think running up the score is BS and sour graps, but FWIW, the Pats threw 8 passes in the 4th quarter and only 7 rushing attempts (excluding the 3 end-of-game kneel downs).
 

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I think running up the score is BS and sour graps,
This is correct. They are professionals. Saleh had a great line about this on Kay’s show. Something like we are professionals this isn’t Alabama and William and Mary. Someone told him Bama ran it up on William and Mary and… wait for it….Saleh said:….. Same tree. That’s funny by coach.
 

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I really like Saleh. I have no idea how good of a head coach he is, but I hope the organization has some patience with him as they work through trying to improve the talent level of that team. That may take a while.
 

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I think running up the score is BS and sour graps, but FWIW, the Pats threw 8 passes in the 4th quarter and only 7 rushing attempts (excluding the 3 end-of-game kneel downs).
I think BB’s response to that would be he wanted Hoyer and crew to get live reps running plays that might matter if Mac ever got hurt, rather than handing off every play. Regardless professional athletes should never whine about someone else running up the score.
 

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He had the noodle-armed career backup QB throwing low percentage balls to the bottom of our disgusting WR depth chart. It's not like he had Mac doing a 2-minute offense.
 

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Whining about running up the score in the NFL is ridiculous, but I don't think Bill plays that game that same way against a non-Jets team. He was absolutely trying to put points on the board on the 4th, he just wasn't risking the health of important players to do so.
 

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I admittedly didn’t listen to much of the game today (I listen thru Sirius because the games aren’t on tv in Boston) but the box score looked pretty good on offense. Is this cause for optimism or was Cincy’s game plan just that bad?
 

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I admittedly didn’t listen to much of the game today (I listen thru Sirius because the games aren’t on tv in Boston) but the box score looked pretty good on offense. Is this cause for optimism or was Cincy’s game plan just that bad?

Mike White picked apart their zone and let his skill position players shine. It was a legitimately fun game. I will watch again later or tomorrow. NFLN might rebroadcast later in week.
 

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Congrats @luckiestman. That was a terrific performance by the team. Playing Mike White over Wilson the rest of the season isn't a good idea but it is.
Thanks. He was better than I thought on first watch (I rewatched most of his drives last night). Cincy zone was like a joke to him. I think Indy plays zone too so we will see how he does against them. The team looked so happy, I think he hit 10 receivers, total team effort. They could have easily lost that game but it was a professional performance from start to finish which we haven’t seen a lot of over the last 10 years.
 

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Thanks. He was better than I thought on first watch (I rewatched most of his drives last night). Cincy zone was like a joke to him. I think Indy plays zone too so we will see how he does against them. The team looked so happy, I think he hit 10 receivers, total team effort. They could have easily lost that game but it was a professional performance from start to finish which we haven’t seen a lot of over the last 10 years.
I think it really has to do with Saleh. Even after the beating last week, the Jets HC was accountable, professional, yet stern during the press conferences. The effort yesterday was not shocking just on that alone.
 

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The Jets beat reporters are truly worthless. I have thought this for a long time. Ever since I have started watching all the pressers, I see they are just stenographers who poorly editorialize. The latest example, John Beck(personal qb coach) was spotted by a fan on the sidelines, a day later the beat guys report it was him and that he is with the team for the year but they don't say they got on to the story from a twitter fan (only Costello gets my respect).

View: https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1455513272287965189?s=20
 

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It would be a lethal combination of hilarious and concerning if White lit up the scoreboard and either beat the Bills or made it a close game.
 

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It would be a lethal combination of hilarious and concerning if White lit up the scoreboard and either beat the Bills or made it a close game.
With the amount of picks the Jets have going forward even if Mike White turns out to be the guy vs Zach Wilson I’m of the opinion it doesn’t matter. If you find your guy it to me it makes no difference if you struck gold with a lottery ticket vs 1,2. The optics suck but winning cures everything. Also, don’t get me wrong - I don’t think Mike White is the guy. You could probably trade Wilson for more than Darnold too. Even failed high profile QBs have value. Think the Panthers are regretting that trade now?
 

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So does anyone think Mike White is actually any good? (genuine question(

I get the jokes and hype but did the Jets actually find something, or has he played like 7 quarters and this is just a fun distraction?
 

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Who knows, but I’m getting major “Linsanity” vibes. It is odd (as a Pats fan) to kind of be rooting for him. I guess my favorite scenario he wins the job, kicks ass for the rest of the year vs. the East, and that somehow also causes team drama / media turmoil.
 

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So does anyone think Mike White is actually any good? (genuine question(

I get the jokes and hype but did the Jets actually find something, or has he played like 7 quarters and this is just a fun distraction?
He’s good at running the offense. He doesn’t have accuracy deep or at least we haven’t seen it.
 

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Who knows, but I’m getting major “Linsanity” vibes. It is odd (as a Pats fan) to kind of be rooting for him. I guess my favorite scenario he wins the job, kicks ass for the rest of the year vs. the East, and that somehow also causes team drama / media turmoil.

He will be RFA I think so not that much drama. The press will go crazy but if not over this they will find something else.
 

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It is odd (as a Pats fan) to kind of be rooting for him. I guess my favorite scenario he wins the job, kicks ass for the rest of the year vs. the East, and that somehow also causes team drama / media turmoil.
You answered your own question. The reason to root for him is to throw even a minor monkey-wrench into Wilson's progress. Luckiestman is right that, at best, it's likely to be a short-lived speed bump ... but we can take what we can get
 

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Who knows, but I’m getting major “Linsanity” vibes. It is odd (as a Pats fan) to kind of be rooting for him. I guess my favorite scenario he wins the job, kicks ass for the rest of the year vs. the East, and that somehow also causes team drama / media turmoil.
Certainly played well today…
 

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So Coach is on Kay’s show. Towards the end Kay says “I’m sure you didn’t see it but today on ESPN Rex Ryan went after you pretty hard” Kay reads the quote and asks Saleh if he has a response. Saleh says, very icily, I don’t know Rex, I have never met Rex, this sounds awfully personal to him and if it is, he knows where to find me”