Jets: Ride Saleh Ride

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Their over under is enticing on its face, though they really lack talent.
I think Saleh will be as good as Flores has been in Miami. He will take a team with nothing and turn it into something.

Of course, that could be the bet talking. But I like him. Coaching matters. Gase was the ultimate clown show.
 

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I'm going to let you in on a little fact. I have never made an over/under bet for a team in the NFL. But this year, I have laid a very, very large stack on the Jets over. I love Saleh and I think he can bring a winning culture to this team of formerly disreputable morons. Gase is really the devil. Getting rid of him is going to bring massive changes.

So I believe. I am a Jet fan.
This is beautiful man
 

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I think Saleh will be as good as Flores has been in Miami. He will take a team with nothing and turn it into something.

Of course, that could be the bet talking. But I like him. Coaching matters. Gase was the ultimate clown show.
Where do you think the Jets finish in the division?
 

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O talent is ok depending on how the QB plays. Defense except for Dline is tough to get a handle on. CB is the main weakness.
saleh is gonna pressure the QB and turn your crap CBs into average ones with it.

I watched him make akello Witherspoon and Emanuel Mosley look like NFL corners. You’re gonna love the guy. On defense.

we’ll see on O.
 

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This was prior to Zach, c’mon man.
Never said it wasn't. My observation was that the level of scrutiny of QB performances early in training camp is silly. This writer trying to stir things up, Manish Mehta-style, by reporting those "results" from the first or second day of camp was being ridiculous. I don't blame Jets fans for being defensive, but take a breath.
 

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I was under the impression Lawson was a good to very good but not great player.

Now that he is out for the year he is being treated like an elite player lost.

Is his loss now really big enough to derail a season, or is it just an excuse for the J-E-T-S to tote out when it happens anyway?
The Jets handed him a 3 year deal worth $45 mil, $30 mil guaranteed, to pry him from Cincinnati in the offseason. To put it in perspective, the Pats gave Judon a 4 year deal worth $54.5 mil, with $32 mil guaranteed. However one may feel about Lawson as a player, clearly the Jets valued him quite highly and had some big plans for him, and all accounts say he looked great in camp (fwiw). So this has to be a pretty rough development from their perspective, to say the least.
 

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The Jets are losing pass rushers left and right. First they lost Carl Lawson, their big-ticket free agent signing in March, for the season to a torn Achilles’. Then this past week they lost veteran Vinny Curry for the season because of complications from a rare blood disorder. The Jets are scouring the other 31 teams for help on the edge, with John Franklin-Myers (five sacks in two seasons) and Bryce Huff (two sacks in one season) penciled in as starters
From today's Boston Globe.

Excuse? Reality? I'm not sure. What I do know is that the degree of difficulty just got a little lower against the 16Ws.
 

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Why didn’t Wilson get any snaps this week? I mean I get preserving your starters and all but he is a rookie, I would think he could use all
the snaps he can get.
 

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Why didn’t Wilson get any snaps this week? I mean I get preserving your starters and all but he is a rookie, I would think he could use all
the snaps he can get.

I don’t know if it was plan since starting LT and LG were not playing or if he was a late scratch because of field conditions after weird storm.
 

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Why didn’t Wilson get any snaps this week? I mean I get preserving your starters and all but he is a rookie, I would think he could use all
the snaps he can get.
@luckiestman probably has it right but there handling of snaps for Wilson has been a bit weird during the preseason. They have treated him like a vet who doesn't need the reps, not a rookie who should be getting all the game speed reps they possibly can.

With that said, from the "highlights" I have seen I think he looks the best of the 5 round 1 QBs.
 

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@luckiestman probably has it right but there handling of snaps for Wilson has been a bit weird during the preseason. They have treated him like a vet who doesn't need the reps, not a rookie who should be getting all the game speed reps they possibly can.

With that said, from the "highlights" I have seen I think he looks the best of the 5 round 1 QBs.
I have no way to really judge how to view preseason compared to all these joint practices they are doing. The qb has been a lot better than I expected but these games don’t count. He is calmer in the pocket than Sam was by a lot. I watched Darnold the other night because I want to see him succeed and it’s the same guy..some good things but some questionable mechanics still. It is not helping him that the Panthers oline could not block.
 

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He should be getting every snap possible, who gives a shit if it shortchanges the guys behind him a few series? There is no question he will start because there’s no viable competition and they’ve bet the next 3-4 years on this guy, so act accordingly.
 

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He should be getting every snap possible, who gives a shit if it shortchanges the guys behind him a few series? There is no question he will start because there’s no viable competition and they’ve bet the next 3-4 years on this guy, so act accordingly.
Seems like a strong take. I don’t care either way. Hurt my enjoyment of the last game not seeing him but I didn’t have to worry about him getting hurt in a meaningless game.
 

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Seems like a strong take. I don’t care either way. Hurt my enjoyment of the last game not seeing him but I didn’t have to worry about him getting hurt in a meaningless game.
To clarify, I’m not advocating him playing behind JAG OL fodder in the fourth quarter or else, but in the era of tightly controlled practice schedules (two a days plus are dead) I think it’s wild that he is sitting a preseason game altogether. He isn’t, to our knowledge, hurt, and he isn’t a late career John Elway you need to manage to keep him upright by December. Guy needs reps.
 

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Seems like a strong take. I don’t care either way. Hurt my enjoyment of the last game not seeing him but I didn’t have to worry about him getting hurt in a meaningless game.
I mean ok but football players have to play football and getting game reps even in the preseason is important. Especially at QB…

I would like to ask you about the Jets offense. What can you tell us about the WR battle? What about the line and the running backs? Your team has 3 people who were binkies of mine: Carter, Mims, and Elijah Moore. How do they look? I think the injuries and personnel on defense is wanting so I’m more interested in how the offense is shaping up. That offense could be loaded if picks pan out.
 

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To clarify, I’m not advocating him playing behind JAG OL fodder in the fourth quarter or else, but in the era of tightly controlled practice schedules (two a days plus are dead) I think it’s wild that he is sitting a preseason game altogether. He isn’t, to our knowledge, hurt, and he isn’t a late career John Elway you need to manage to keep him upright by December. Guy needs reps.
I mentioned it earlier but it’s not 100%, they were having trouble with the field right before the game and I think that is why they scratched Wilson:

https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/08/jets-zach-wilson-wont-compete-in-friday-nights-preseason-game-against-eagles.html

“As the Jets warmed up before the start of Friday night’s final preseason game against the Eagles, Wilson was not in uniform. Following heavy rainfall, the game’s start time was pushed back to 8 p.m. The wet field conditions most likely contributed to the deciding factor on what kept Wilson out.”
 

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I mean ok but football players have to play football and getting game reps even in the preseason is important. Especially at QB…

I would like to ask you about the Jets offense. What can you tell us about the WR battle? What about the line and the running backs? Your team has 3 people who were binkies of mine: Carter, Mims, and Elijah Moore. How do they look? I think the injuries and personnel on defense is wanting so I’m more interested in how the offense is shaping up. That offense could be loaded if picks pan out.
The hype on Moore is outlandish but he hasn’t played in the games. If he lives up to his hype the WR unit will be very good as Davis and Crowder are good and Cole/Mims/Berrios or one of the other guys is good depth. Probably our deepest unit even if we lack a truly elite guy (which the hype on Moore out of camp is that he could be elite).

Carter is a whatever so far in the games. Going to need to see him in real games. I think Ty Johnson is going to start

Mims is having some trouble. He had food poisoning, lost 15 pounds but did have a great play in the second preseason game.

As for the oline. They’ve had to play Feeney at LG because the rookie AVT had a strained Pec also Becton just got a concussion. Both are expected to play week 1. Feeney is awful. RT is a battle between Moses and Fant which I expect Moses to win. If they can field

Becton/AVT/McGovern/Van Roten/Moses it will be the best line theyve had since Brick and Mangold retired. Which isnt saying much because they have sucked. I am optimistic about the line. I expect them to be one of the more run heavy offenses in the league to try to make the game easy for the QB.
 

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The Jets are expected to win around six games or so. Wilson is going to be the starter, so he's going to be getting plenty of reps during the season as he develops. I think the challenge is going to be to manage his reps, development and risk so they don't break their shiny new toy. Under those circumstances, using the preseason to get things as solid around him as they can before they throw him in the fire makes sense to me.
 

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Thank you @luckiestman for the information. I’m curious why Moore hasn’t been in games and if that means he won’t start. The left side of the line should be really good. Running it behind AVT and MB could pay dividends…
 

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Thank you @luckiestman for the information. I’m curious why Moore hasn’t been in games and if that means he won’t start. The left side of the line should be really good. Running it behind AVT and MB could pay dividends…
He will start if healthy or at least play a lot. He had minor injury
 

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I like what the Jets are doing except for one thing: we have 7 corners on the roster, they have a combined 9 NFL starts. It’s a little troubling.
 

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Very impressed by Wilson. Now my fear switches from not if Zach is good to how are the Jets going to ruin him.

Saleh also seems good. I don’t think I have seen second half adjustments that mattered since Mangini was here.
 

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That line is gonna get him killed. The question is will he still be standing when Becton returns
Becton was nothing to write home about yesterday, he was awful in pass protection and the Jets didn't run to his side (which I didn't understand). Somehow moving Fant to LT and letting Moses play RT worked better than when Becton was in the game. I thought Moses should have been playing over Fant at RT anyway. Still a work in progress.

edit: just to be clear, I agree with your main point, just think right now that the interior line is a bigger problem than the Tackles.
 
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Becton was nothing to write home about yesterday, he was awful in pass protection and the Jets didn't run to his side (which I didn't understand). Somehow moving Fant to LT and letting Moses play RT worked better than when Becton was in the game. I thought Moses should have been playing over Fant at RT anyway. Still a work in progress.

edit: just to be clear, I agree with your main point, just think right now that the interior line is a bigger problem than the Tackles.
agreed it was the worst type of pressure for a QB, interior pocket pressure. Almost nothing Wilson could do on a lot of plays.
 

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Becton was nothing to write home about yesterday, he was awful in pass protection and the Jets didn't run to his side (which I didn't understand). Somehow moving Fant to LT and letting Moses play RT worked better than when Becton was in the game. I thought Moses should have been playing over Fant at RT anyway. Still a work in progress.

edit: just to be clear, I agree with your main point, just think right now that the interior line is a bigger problem than the Tackles.
Agreed 100%. Yet another season where the line is a major problem. Douglas doesn’t like to spend money on the free agent market for linemen but I think this offseason he’s gonna have to. It’s imperative that Wilson is protected