Jeter: The Final Weekend

Winger 03 · Aug 25, 2014

I find it strange that there is even a question of him attending the games. Is there a precedent of him not even showing up to sit on the bench for days where he is not playing?

While I kind of understand wanting to end in YS, I still think, given the opponent, that he will play in all of the Fenway games. This is not at all like Mariano in Houston. Mariano had no history at all in Houston, and no one that I heard of thought ill of him for sitting out those games.

Pennant race or not, I think he plays in all of them.

someoneanywhere · Aug 25, 2014

I agree that it would be a very un-Jeterian thing to not play,

They should ask the MFY's for the Sheppard audio and have that introduce him for the final at-bat.

The Last DiMaggio · Aug 25, 2014

Isn't that what Ted Williams did in 1960 -- finished at Fenway and either didn't make the trip to Yankee Stadium or didn't play during the final weekend? I think Jeter will choose to play.

terrynever · Aug 25, 2014

The Last DiMaggio said:
Isn't that what Ted Williams did in 1960 -- finished at Fenway and either didn't make the trip to Yankee Stadium or didn't play during the final weekend? I think Jeter will choose to play.

Correct. Ted had his reasons. Jeter will definitely come to Boston, for his teammates and for Boston. Most of what Lose says in his post seems plausible except for attending just one of the games.

I've changed my mind on this subject. At first I thought he would do what Ted did. But I didn't take into account what Fenway means to Jeter. Or the fact that athletes want to play out the schedule. It's the end of his playing career and he will be a pretty sad man when the season ends, assuming the Yankees don't make the playoffs.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 25, 2014

My father and I were talking about this very thing this weekend. We don't think he'd play if the Yankees were out of it.

mr_smith02 · Aug 25, 2014

Jeter strikes me as the kind of player who'd definitely want to play in the last three games of his long career.

I think it would be cool to have the Fenway fans do the roll call chant of "Derek Jeter" when he comes out to play.

Clears Cleaver · Aug 25, 2014

I'd like for Pedro to come and buzz him up and in

Average Reds · Aug 25, 2014

mr_smith02 said:
Jeter strikes me as the kind of player who'd definitely want to play in the last three games of his long career.

I think it would be cool to have the Fenway fans do the roll call chant of "Derek Jeter" when he comes out to play.

Look, I'm all for recognizing Jeter in the final trip, so give him a standing O when he takes his first (and his final) at bat.

But doing the roll call chant would repulse me for reasons I can't even articulate right now.

cheekydave · Aug 25, 2014

Given the Junkees are OUT of playoff contention by then, IMO he will play. Boston has SO MANY Junkee fans at BU and environs, that the park would have a LOT of NY fans. Also regardless I believe the fans in NY will be shocked by the ovations that Jeter will get from the Fenway fans.

For a very good hitter with little power, and a very steady fielder with little to no range, he had a superb career being an important part of a mostly sucessful Yankee team over 20 years, and while never the best player on even his own team., leave alone the league in any given year, he outlasted them all, and none of his private peccadillos ever hit the press, and that whether by accident or design in and of itself is Hall Of Fame Worthy.

canderson · Aug 25, 2014

cheekydave said:
Given the Junkees are OUT of playoff contention by then, IMO he will play. Boston has SO MANY Junkee fans at BU and environs, that the park would have a LOT of NY fans. Also regardless I believe the fans in NY will be shocked by the ovations that Jeter will get from the Fenway fans.

For a very good hitter with little power, and a very steady fielder with little to no range, he had a superb career being an important part of a mostly sucessful Yankee team over 20 years, and while never the best player on even his own team., leave alone the league in any given year, he outlasted them all, and none of his private peccadillos ever hit the press, and that whether by accident or design in and of itself is Hall Of Fame Worthy.

Junkees? Seriously?

Jeter's often talked about how much he loves playing at Fenway, I'd be shocked if he wasn't playing the last series unless his leg was snapped in half again. Maybe part of the presentation can be seeing who can dive into the stands down the third base line the most graceful.

The rolling chant, the PA announcer (they did that at the ALG, I thought it was a little contrived there but see it fitting better at a real game at Fenway), some donation to his foundation of choice and having Pedro, Nomar, etc. there to present a picture/plaque something. Maybe take part of the wall he signed and give it to him or something. I think he's highly overrated today but he has been a great player and great for the rivalry.

jon abbey · Aug 25, 2014

If NY is out of contention by then (likely) and Jeter plays (I'd be surprised if he didn't), it would be awesome if Boston experimented with extreme shifts, like 2 outfielders and a 5th infielder positioned between the pitcher and the 3B, where the majority of Jeter's 45 foot dribblers seem to go these days. They would never do this as it would be seen as disrespectful, but I think it would be hilarious as well as quite possibly effective.

EvilEmpire · Aug 25, 2014

He should sit if they are in contention on that last weekend.

mr_smith02 · Aug 25, 2014

Lose Remerswaal said:
I like that idea. I was gonna do a "Nomar's Better" chant, but I could be convinced to do this instead

A combination of both could be funny too. "Derek Jeter, Derek Jeter...Nomar's better!"

glennhoffmania · Aug 25, 2014

EvilEmpire said:
He should sit if they are in contention on that last weekend.

I was going to say this but I didn't want to get yelled at.

glennhoffmania · Aug 25, 2014

Papelbon's Poutine said:
I've been saying to friends that I hope Farrell has BROCKHOLT!!! play all 9 positions that day, culminating with him pitching the 9th and getting Jeter on a soft dribbler to the left side. Obviously, I also do not expect it to be done for the same reasons as you.

This is way, way off. You must have meant the right side.

mauidano · Aug 25, 2014

Derek Jeter is a true baseball guy. The Boston fans are so respectful of baseball, tradition and understand what he means to the game. Jeter understands that too. He'll be there. He wouldn't miss it.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Aug 25, 2014

mauidano said:
Derek Jeter is a true baseball guy. The Boston fans are so respectful of baseball, tradition and understand what he means to the game. Jeter understands that too. He'll be there. He wouldn't miss it.

Wasn't that the same for Rivera? His last game was at home, but he did travel with the team on the last road trip of the season after that, although he didn't pitch.

21st Century Sox · Aug 25, 2014

Listening to WFAN a couple weeks back....Supposedly a Yankee insider told the host that Jeter would play only if the games meant something. If Yanks eliminated from postseason prior, he would end his career in Yankee Stadium, a la Rivera.

It struck me odd that Jeter would even offer an opinion at this point in the season.

terrynever · Aug 25, 2014

Love that term "Yankee Insider." Since radio talk show hosts rarely attend big league games in their home city, "insider" could cover just about anybody who sees the home town team play.

TheYaz67 · Aug 25, 2014

glennhoffmania said:
This is way, way off. You must have meant the right side.

Hey, he's trying to give Jetes some credit inferring that he could get around on a BROCKHOLT! fastball, but given how exceptionally BROCKHOLT! does all things baseball, I am now reconsidering and agree that a standard weak grounder to the right side would still be the expected outcome....

jon abbey · Aug 25, 2014

As I said above, the weak grounders are going more to the left side this year. Once he stopped being able to hit FBs above 92 MPH or so, he's stopped trying to work counts and started swinging sooner, resulting in a lot of left side dribblers. Spray chart here:

http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=826&position=SS&type=battedball

glennhoffmania · Aug 25, 2014

I don't understand this idea that he wouldn't play. The possibility of him not even showing up is absurd. If my career was about to end I'd want to play every last inning regardless of the location. I think he'll play no matter what.

bankshot1 · Aug 25, 2014

I think we can understand that if the Yankees are out of the race, that he might prefer to end his career in Yankee Stadium. But I can also understand, as we've been informed for years, that he would play the game, the "right way", until the season's final out. And I'm only being slightly facetious.

terrynever · Aug 25, 2014

If the Yankees are still in contention, they might try sitting Jeter down that final weekend. He's running on fumes right now with five weeks to go.

jon abbey · Aug 25, 2014

Yep, if he genuinely wanted to help the team as much as possible, he'd quit playing and be a bench coach for the rest of the year.

terrynever · Aug 25, 2014

jon abbey said:
Yep, if he genuinely wanted to help the team as much as possible, he'd quit playing and be a bench coach for the rest of the year.

This is the worst-case scenario. By playing, he hurts his team's chances of making the playoffs. They actually have a chance for the second wild card thanks to Detroit's pitching problems. Although Seattle's current hit streak might be a killer.

mt8thsw9th · Aug 25, 2014

Why are Yankee fans so convinced that the 3.5 out Yankees have no chance? Stop acting like Red Sox fans. It's kind of obnoxious.

That said, it would be kind of awesome to see Jeter get eliminated from the playoffs on the last game of the season by a shitty Red Sox team, but that's neither here nor there.

jon abbey · Aug 25, 2014

mt8thsw9th said:
Why are Yankee fans so convinced that the 3.5 out Yankees have no chance? Stop acting like Red Sox fans. It's kind of obnoxious.

They don't have "no chance", but they have to go something like 24-10 or 23-11 from here to have a good shot, and they've shown no signs all year of being capable of that.

BP has their playoff odds currently at 7.8%, 4.4% to win the division (still 8 games left head to head with BAL) and 3.3% for the wild card (they would have to catch both the second place team in the Central and the third place team in the West).

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/

terrynever · Aug 25, 2014

jon abbey said:
They don't have "no chance", but they have to go something like 24-10 or 23-11 from here to have a good shot, and they've shown no signs all year of being capable of that.

BP has their playoff odds currently at 7.8%, 4.4% to win the division (still 8 games left head to head with BAL) and 3.3% for the wild card (they would have to catch both the second place team in the Central and the third place team in the West).

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/

Seattle is at 73.8 percent for the second WC.

jon abbey · Aug 25, 2014

Not sure what you're looking at there, but don't forget there is a chance that SEA passes one or both of OAK or LAA too.

terrynever · Aug 25, 2014

jon abbey said:
Not sure what you're looking at there, but don't forget there is a chance that SEA passes one or both of OAK or LAA too.

Just saying that three teams in the West are well ahead in the race for playoff berths. Seattle is 3.5 up on NY and smoking hot, hitting and pitching.

snowmanny · Aug 25, 2014

21st Century Sox said:
Listening to WFAN a couple weeks back....Supposedly a Yankee insider told the host that Jeter would play only if the games meant something. If Yanks eliminated from postseason prior, he would end his career in Yankee Stadium, a la Rivera.

It struck me odd that Jeter would even offer an opinion at this point in the season.

What kind of Captain even considers the possibility that they will have been eliminated?

That being said, I honestly do not think I can even bear to go to the final game and watch the Fenway fans all caught up in the over the top crap. If he plays he deserves a single standing ovation in his last at-bat.

Harry Hooper · Aug 25, 2014

Clears Cleaver said:
I'd like for Pedro to come and buzz him up and in

Ahem, you mean throw a strike over the inside corner of the plate.

mt8thsw9th · Aug 25, 2014

I wouldn't be shocked if there were some Sox fans that would like to see Pedro delay his HOF induction by 5 years just to see that.

jon abbey · Aug 26, 2014

If Pedro comes back, NY is bringing back Matsui.

AbbyNoho · Aug 26, 2014

It takes a special kind of arrogance to declare the timeframe in which you'll allow your greatest enemy to have a ceremony honoring you in their own home. Fuck Jeter. I hope he gets booed and buzzed by Pedro.

Maybe I'm just mad about the 'role call' suggestion. That may be the most sickening thing I've seen on this site, including the time i accidentally clicked on the NSFL thread in P&G.

EvilEmpire · Aug 26, 2014

It takes a special kind of arrogance to declare the timeframe in which you'll allow your greatest enemy to have a ceremony honoring you in their own home.

This is silly. There isn't anything unreasonable about wanting any ceremony-type distractions ending 15 minutes before the start of the game. Players on both teams are getting ready to play and likely have routines they follow, etc.

TheoShmeo · Aug 26, 2014

jon abbey said:
If Pedro comes back, NY is bringing back Matsui.

Not Zimmer?

canderson · Aug 26, 2014

One thing I'm feeling confident about is he'll play because NY will be dead centered in the playoff hunt by the last series.

jon abbey · Aug 26, 2014

TheoShmeo said:
Not Zimmer?

Matsui is the one who famously ended Pedro's career in game 6 of the 2009 WS.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200911040.shtml

TheYaz67 · Aug 26, 2014

TheoShmeo said:
Not Zimmer?

Here, you go get him....

AbbyNoho · Aug 26, 2014

EvilEmpire said:
This is silly. There isn't anything unreasonable about wanting any ceremony-type distractions ending 15 minutes before the start of the game. Players on both teams are getting ready to play and likely have routines they follow, etc.

If it is so obvious then why does this have to be announced? Why is Jeter a person that even has announcements like that? It doesn't matter if your demands are reasonable, simply having a list of demands upon visiting someone's home is douchey. It's like he has to have restrictions just so show he's important enough to be worth restrictions, it doesn't even matter what they are.

And so fucking what if he gets his gift 10 minutes before gametime instead of 15 minutes? Deal with it. They're giving you something you, narcissistic asswipe.

jon abbey said:
Matsui is the one who famously ended Pedro's career in game 6 of the 2009 WS.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200911040.shtml

Speaking of douchey, what an interesting way of describing what was going to be Pedro's last game regardless of what Matsui did. "Famously ended Pedro's career." ha.

JohntheBaptist · Aug 26, 2014

He was trying to think of his fellow players and the actual game when doing it. "This is nice, but I don't want to be throwing a wrench in everyone's routine. I'm glad to do it, but only if it's wrapped up 15 minutes before gametime." That's the definition of a minor request. Positively Jeterian even. Plus these ceremonies are as much about ticket promos for the teams as they are about Jeter receiving an honor, so there's that. And if you read the OP he hasn't "announced" anything.

You're reaching.

edit--I keep reading your post and am hoping for your own sake it's an attempt at satire.

JohntheBaptist · Aug 26, 2014

"Hey Derek! Wanted to have you over for dinner, celebrate your recent retirement--say at 8? Figured I'd invite some friends, they'd love to meet you, too. It'll be fun!"
"Wow, that's generous, I appreciate it. Just one request? Could we make it 7?"

...

...

...

"You selfish fucking asshole. You suck at defense and should have moved over for A-Rod."

JohntheBaptist · Aug 26, 2014

I still can't get over Rivera requesting a meeting with officials and employees as part of his retirement tour. Hey, jerkoff--it doesn't matter if your demands are reasonable, it makes you a douche to request anything at all, no matter what it is.

And so fucking what if Larry Lucchino shows up to your requested "meetings." Yeah, he's an asshole and you now have to have lunch with him and pose for photos. DEAL WITH IT. They're giving you something, asswipe.

jon abbey · Aug 26, 2014

Andrew said:
Speaking of douchey, what an interesting way of describing what was going to be Pedro's last game regardless of what Matsui did. "Famously ended Pedro's career." ha.

Pedro wanted to come back after the 2009 WS, no one wanted him, at least not at the salary he was asking for. He didn't officially retire for another two years.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?c_id=mlb&content_id=26087740&vkey=news_mlb&ymd=20111203

bankshot1 · Aug 26, 2014

Pedro was mostly cooked after 2005, and not to diminish Matsui's 2009 WS performance or MLB career, but if he was really famous for anything it may have been when he famously introduced a cartoon character as his betrothed.

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