JBJ activated, Holt to the DL with vertigo

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Vertigo is awful. I was diagnosed with it years ago though it's been a long time since I've had a bout of it. He must have it really bad or a really severe episode to be disabled.
 

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DIdn't that mess up Todd Benzinger, like for good?
 

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Yes, exactly. Thanks for the correction.
 

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Vertigo is awful. I was diagnosed with it years ago though it's been a long time since I've had a bout of it. He must have it really bad or a really severe episode to be disabled.
Must be awful to have it chronically- I only had one episode but words can't describe how bad it sucked- I projectile vomited onto my wife I got so dizzy so quickly.

You can't walk let alone play ball during an episode. I wonder, though, if he has episodes so often that he's incapacitated, or if it's just the fear of unstoppable episodes that keeps him sidelined (if an episode came on while batting it would be very very dangerous).
 

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I was at the game last night and Holt took BP and seemed totally fine. I think this is maybe a bit of roster manipulation more than anything too serious.
 

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The problem with vertigo is that you are 100% fine... until the moment you suddenly aren't. I had no warnings any time I had a spell. Sometimes it would hit when I was just sitting there and other times when I turned my head just so. There's no way to know when it's coming.
 

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I was at the game last night and Holt took BP and seemed totally fine. I think this is maybe a bit of roster manipulation more than anything too serious.
This doesn't make any sense to me. The Sox are loaded with infield relief? More likely, this explains why he has played so little lately. I'm happy he was able to contribute to one of the wins in Toronto.
 

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I was at the game last night and Holt took BP and seemed totally fine. I think this is maybe a bit of roster manipulation more than anything too serious.
The announcers said it "came and went", but maybe they want to see more of Selsky?

Didn't Brock have some concussion issues? Maybe it has something to do with that
Definitely possible.
 

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I've had vertigo, nothings ever made me more miserable. I can deal with pain, in high levels, for days on end. But Vertigo I had so bad I could barely walk or drive. It made my blood pressure spike. It was scary s---

I wonder what was the cause for Holt? There is always usually something underlying that causes it.
 

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Vertigo and "dizziness" are frequently confused. Most true vertigo is either brain or inner ear related and usually lasts for awhile. The causes of transitory dizziness are numerous and often benign. Until a medical diagnosis is more specific, I would tend to go with roster manipulation unless he had some recent head trauma we don't know about.
 

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For the posters here who have suffered from it, can you trace back a factor, like a concussion, or the like, to your cause, or is it just one of those unexplained things....
 
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For the posters here who have suffered from it, can you trace back a factor, like a concussion, or the like, to your cause, or is it just one of those unexplained things....
I had it in connection with a pulmonary embolism.
 

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I can't see how we can't take this on its face...that he's actually dealing with vertigo or vertigo like symptoms. This is odd "roster manipulation" if that's what it is and Holt is otherwise healthy. I'm not sure what possibly is gained by bumping Holt to the DL with a fake injury rather than just optioning Selsky to make room for JBJ.

The only thing of value that Selsky brings to the table which Holt can't match is that he's a RHH who can play 1B. And even with that, he's played a grand total of 7.2 innings defensively so far, none of which has been at first base (one start in CF and 2/3 on an inning at 3B on Friday). It certainly doesn't appear that they have any interest in platooning Moreland any more considering he's the only player on the roster who has started every single game.

Tie that in with Holt's concussion history, and I see no reason to doubt he's dealing with something right now.
 

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For the posters here who have suffered from it, can you trace back a factor, like a concussion, or the like, to your cause, or is it just one of those unexplained things....
Just came out of nowhere. Mine is minor though. I only get dizzy if I get out bed quickly. The quick head turning and change of elevation of the head does it I guess. It is whoa, grab for a wall or a chair or I'm going down when it happens, but it never occurs for any other movement or activity. So, I sit up in bed slowly, wait a few seconds, and then get on my feet. Brock or anybody else could live with what I have, but he must have something worse.
 

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For the posters here who have suffered from it, can you trace back a factor, like a concussion, or the like, to your cause, or is it just one of those unexplained things....
I had lyme disease that relapsed. It was a side effect of it getting bad again I was told. It was more than dizziness. You can function with dizziness. Vertigo literally I could not not function, drive, anything. It was totally different.
 

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I guess what I'm saying is that he clearly could have played the other night had he been needed. That leads me to believe they made the move to the DL because JBJ was coming back, not because he needed to be disabled.

However, I do believe he's had some episodes and they likely thought it was better to keep a fully healthy Selsky rather than risk being caught out short with Brock, especially given that DL is only 10 days.

So, it's not that they're lying, it's just that they're optimizing their roster. I think Holt is not DL'd if JBJ needed a few more days.
 

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If you are going to throw out a fake reason it would be a strain. Vertigo is some serious shit. Here is to hoping he beats this.
 

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I spend way too much time differentiating between dizziness and true vertigo in my practice. I would seriously doubt that any concussive phenomenon is in play here in the absence of any new traumatic event. Without the benefit of an exam or history or images, undoubtedly all of which he has already had, and with the obligatory grain of diagnostic salt that comes with it, I would venture to guess it is a viral syndrome.
 

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Did you read the thread? I watched him rip batting practice for a full cycle. He was having fun, smiling, hitting balls to all fields. Looked completely fine.
I did. Are you familiar with vertigo and how quickly it can onset? If you've read the thread you've noticed many people commenting on how you are fine at one moment with no warning signs and then the next you're basically incapacitated. So, while he may have been looking fine and dandy burning BP, he could have easily had issues mere moments later. Hence, I don't see what you're basing your conclusion on, other than not understanding the malady.
 

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For the posters here who have suffered from it, can you trace back a factor, like a concussion, or the like, to your cause, or is it just one of those unexplained things....
No clue. If I had to guess, it was from when I slipped and smashed my head on my driveway one winter night when I was younger. I was probably concussed but didn't know the signs and symptoms and just got up and went inside. But it's possible I did some damage. I've had two seizures in the last 5ish years, so it could be related. But, no, I never noticed anything until the first time it hit.
 

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I did. Are you familiar with vertigo and how quickly it can onset? If you've read the thread you've noticed many people commenting on how you are fine at one moment with no warning signs and then the next you're basically incapacitated. So, while he may have been looking fine and dandy burning BP, he could have easily had issues mere moments later. Hence, I don't see what you're basing your conclusion on, other than not understanding the malady.
Actually, my wife is an audiologist and has a balance center in her practice. You asked me what I was basing it on, in a passive-aggressive baiting way I guess, if this is seriously your argument, and I told you.

What did you think I was basing it on? The examination of him I performed as his personal doctor?

They had already put him on the DL when I saw him, which is exactly what I explained in the post you quoted. He looked fine, and probably could have played, but given he likely had had recent episodes, they took the opportunity of JBJ coming off the DL to put Holt on it.

Do you think there's, like, a vertigo test where they can tell if he's "cured"? Or, if he has a bout of vertigo, you think he should be DL'd forever because who knows when it comes back? That's not how it works.

For some people, it comes in a wave and never returns. For others, it turns out to be a chronic condition like Meniere's Disease and they manage it with diet, etc. Many older people literally have to have the crystals in their ears manipulated to make it go away. It has many causes, not all of them well understood.

But, when I saw him with my own eyes on the field, after he'd been DL'd, he looked completely fine, and while's it's totally possible that he could have had an episode later, the fact is that if you're seriously concerned about a person's vertigo you don't send them out there to rip shots all over the ballpark.
 

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For the posters here who have suffered from it, can you trace back a factor, like a concussion, or the like, to your cause, or is it just one of those unexplained things....
Adding to the chorus here: the cause of my vertigo spells was diagnosed as being inflammation of the inner ear. Doc said the inflammation was caused by allergies, which was super reassuring since that implied it would be a recurring issue. And that it has, though fortunately the subsequent occurrences have been far more mild than the first. I was given heavy duty prescription allergy medications and the worst of it cleared up in a couple days, which at least allowed me to go back to work.

Unfortunately, the symptoms stayed with me for another 3-4 weeks. I was able to function normally but even swimming proved difficult because the flip turns would throw off my equilibrium and I would feel like I was zig-zagging through the water when I pushed off the wall. I couldn't imagine the courage it would take to attempt to stand in against a Major League pitcher with the knowledge that the slightest head movement would result in that loss of equilibrium. To say nothing of playing in the field.
 

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I spend way too much time differentiating between dizziness and true vertigo in my practice. I would seriously doubt that any concussive phenomenon is in play here in the absence of any new traumatic event. Without the benefit of an exam or history or images, undoubtedly all of which he has already had, and with the obligatory grain of diagnostic salt that comes with it, I would venture to guess it is a viral syndrome.
Or BPPV. If the field starts spinning every time you look up to catch a fly ball....
 

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My wife has an episode once or twice a year. It's basically a 2 day ordeal, meds + bed. It's not horrible anymore, because she knows exactly what to do. But that it the routine, she feels it and she knows what the next 48 hours is going to be. Haven't pinned down much about why or when, I think it comes on when atmospheric conditions are a bit humid and cold (odd combo), but she disagrees. It basically kicks her ass.