Jaylen Brown 2024-25, Year 9: What they gonna say now?!

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I think the team we’ve seen the last 4 games is probably a 50-55 win team, but that has nothing to do with anything negative about Jaylen. In the playoffs when being able to create your own shot is more important, that’s where Jaylen is badly needed.
 

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I think most fans assume this is still a really good team without KP and Jaylen which I disagree with. They were 13.5 point favorites last night which to me was absurd. We have also benefitted from playing one of the easiest schedules in the league this far that doesn’t ramp up until after the new year. Our greatest challenges this year are complacency and health.
This.

@InstaFace posted what a lot of people agree with. I don’t agree at all but it’s something that a lot of this board thinks. I’m surprised that people are acting like that’s completely out of left field or that they’ve never seen it.

Not to mention there are posters who are posting just random shit that was never said? I said that a portion of posters think that Tatum plus Holiday and White is an elite team. I don’t agree
Nothing to do with Browns hierarchy on the team. Although saying he might be the 3rd best player on the team accidentally proves what I was saying
 

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This.

@InstaFace posted what a lot of people agree with. I don’t agree at all but it’s something that a lot of this board thinks. I’m surprised that people are acting like that’s completely out of left field or that they’ve never seen it.

Not to mention there are posters who are posting just random shit that was never said? I said that a portion of posters think that Tatum plus Holiday and White is an elite team. I don’t agree
Nothing to do with Browns hierarchy on the team. Although saying he might be the 3rd best player on the team accidentally proves what I was saying
One thing I will add that also plays a factor is that the Al Horford of the past couple years is not the same player who we would need to step up every night when guys are out. He has taken a massive step back defensively and has been a part of the problem on that end of the floor (by problem I mean we are no longer an elite defensive team when key guys are out and much of this is to do with Horford slowing down).

So really we would be down Porzingis, Jaylen AND the Horford that we were accustomed to having step up.
 

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Not to mention there are posters who are posting just random shit that was never said? I said that a portion of posters think that Tatum plus Holiday and White is an elite team. I don’t agree
Nothing to do with Browns hierarchy on the team. Although saying he might be the 3rd best player on the team accidentally proves what I was saying
Basically everyone who says the bolded has been careful to say "good, but only in the regular season."

They obviously need Brown in the playoffs or to hit those 60+ win heights in the regular season, and I haven't seen anyone saying otherwise.
 

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One thing I will add that also plays a factor is that the Al Horford of the past couple years is not the same player who we would need to step up every night when guys are out. He has taken a massive step back defensively and has been a part of the problem on that end of the floor (by problem I mean we are no longer an elite defensive team when key guys are out and much of this is to do with Horford slowing down).

So really we would be down Porzingis, Jaylen AND the Horford that we were accustomed to having step up.
The Al we saw in the playoffs last year had taken a massive step back defensively? How do you mean? It seemed to me he was incredibly spry and impactful on the defensive end and they (somewhat shockingly) didn’t seem to miss a beat with Kristaps out. But perhaps I was missing something.
 

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The Al we saw in the playoffs last year had taken a massive step back defensively? How do you mean? It seemed to me he was incredibly spry and impactful on the defensive end and they (somewhat shockingly) didn’t seem to miss a beat with Kristaps out. But perhaps I was missing something.
maybe it’s just cuz they’ve gone even harder into the switch everything scheme but it seems like he gets blown by a bit more than he used to.
 

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Basically everyone who says the bolded has been careful to say "good, but only in the regular season."

They obviously need Brown in the playoffs or to hit those 60+ win heights in the regular season, and I haven't seen anyone saying otherwise.
You may be right. IMO, this board overreacts to the media underrating Tatum and goes the other way….even though everyone on this board agrees that Tatum is great. I would imagine that I am thought of as a Tatum “hater”yet even I acknowledge that. I’ve literally never said otherwise, and I have never seen anyone on this board say anything different but we still have several long posts asking if, or outright saying, that this board underrates Tatum. The same board that UNIVERSALLY says he’s a top 4 player

IMO, and I’m not sure anyone can convince me otherwise especially when most of the people that disagree are condescending about it, THIS BOARD (not TNT, not some idiot media members top 100) continues to underrate Jaylen. Been that way his entire career. The fact that someone can try and ostensibly stick up for Jaylen and then say he might be the 3rd best player on the team is wild
 
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The Al we saw in the playoffs last year had taken a massive step back defensively? How do you mean? It seemed to me he was incredibly spry and impactful on the defensive end and they (somewhat shockingly) didn’t seem to miss a beat with Kristaps out. But perhaps I was missing something.
I’m referring to this season.
 

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You may be right. IMO, this board overreacts to the media underrating Tatum and goes the other way….even though everyone on this board agrees that Tatum is great. I would imagine that I am thought of as a Tatum “hater”yet even I acknowledge that. I’ve literally never said otherwise, and I have never seen anyone on this board say anything different but we still have several long ass posts asking if, or outright saying, that this board underrates Tatum. The same board that UNIVERSALLY says he’s a top 4 player

IMO, and I’m not sure anyone can convince me otherwise especially when most of the people that disagree are condescending about it, THIS BOARD (not TNT, not some idiot media members top 100) continues to underrate Jaylen. Been that way his entire career. The fact that someone can try and ostensibly stick up for Jaylen and then say he might be the 3rd best player on the team is wild
Lot of stuff complected together here!

If we untangle it a bit, I'd say:
- Tatum gets you a lot of regular season wins, even if the cast around isn't Fully Healthy Celtics
- Jaylen is the 2nd best player on the team, and is knocking on the top 10. He can be the best guy on the team at times
- you need Jaylen to win more than low 50s games or go far in the playoffs

It was important to see Jaylen initiating late against Milwaukee. They really missed that in the prior games. You feel the difference between him and DWhite in those moments.
 

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Lot of stuff complected together here!

If we untangle it a bit, I'd say:
- Tatum gets you a lot of regular season wins, even if the cast around isn't Fully Healthy Celtics
- Jaylen is the 2nd best player on the team, and is knocking on the top 10. He can be the best guy on the team at times
- you need Jaylen to win more than low 50s games or go far in the playoffs

It was important to see Jaylen initiating late against Milwaukee. They really missed that in the prior games. You feel the difference between him and DWhite in those moments.
Well said. Derrick is the guy who plays off guys like Jaylen…..not be a guy like Jaylen.
 

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Felt like the Celtics were very consciously experimenting with Jaylen as initiator last night and it mostly went pretty well.
 

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Lot of stuff complected together here!

If we untangle it a bit, I'd say:
- Tatum gets you a lot of regular season wins, even if the cast around isn't Fully Healthy Celtics
- Jaylen is the 2nd best player on the team, and is knocking on the top 10. He can be the best guy on the team at times
- you need Jaylen to win more than low 50s games or go far in the playoffs

It was important to see Jaylen initiating late against Milwaukee. They really missed that in the prior games. You feel the difference between him and DWhite in those moments.
Ok, we 100% agree on all of this then. Lol, back to your regularly scheduled programming
 

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You knew he’d play against the Bucks because he can’t stand Giannis, but I hope he takes the next few games off. Still didn’t look nearly right physically, and his usage was 19%, which was 12% below his number coming into the game, and it was 15% in the second half, his touches were way down, etc. Actually I just looked because I was curious, it was his third lowest usage game of the last four seasons lol.

So it feels like the team didn’t want him pushing it. I love that he wanted to play, but the next couple of games are bum teams.
 

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You knew he’d play against the Bucks because he can’t stand Giannis, but I hope he takes the next few games off. Still didn’t look nearly right physically, and his usage was 19%, which was 12% below his number coming into the game, and it was 15% in the second half, his touches were way down, etc. Actually I just looked because I was curious, it was his third lowest usage game of the last four seasons lol.

So it feels like the team didn’t want him pushing it. I love that he wanted to play, but the next couple of games are bum teams.
JB played some great defense, especially on Lillard. I’d rather have a bit less explosive JB on the offensive end, assuming he is not jeopardizing his health by playing.

It must suck for these superstar offensive players like Luka and Dame to be confronted by JB when bringing the ball up, and if they manage to shake him with a pick, the new defender is Jrue Holiday.
 

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JB played some great defense, especially on Lillard. I’d rather have a bit less explosive JB on the offensive end, assuming he is not jeopardizing his health by playing.

It must suck for these superstar offensive players like Luka and Dame to be confronted by JB when bringing the ball up, and if they manage to shake him with a pick, the new defender is Jrue Holiday.
In addition to the physical toll, it's a mindfuck every possession. Check out when Dame gets the ball here:

View: https://twitter.com/_JasonLT/status/1856020716832817289


There's no one open, he's guarded by Al Horford, and there are 6 seconds on the shot clock. How does he not go go work here and create his own shot against the opposing center?
 

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There's no one open, he's guarded by Al Horford, and there are 6 seconds on the shot clock. How does he not go go work here and create his own shot against the opposing center?
Dame lost possession of the ball and was flat footed with Horford in great position and terrible spacing without Lopez taking his man out of the help zone. There really wasn’t anything for Lillard to do there.
 

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Yeah it's quite a sequence...

1) Giannis acts childish
2) Jaylen says he's childish
3) A corporate sponsor of Giannis takes this personally, and starts sniping about it over social media like they're his mom or something

Like, who is the unprofessional one here? It's just so bizarre.
 

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Good for Jaylen. Whether he knew that criticizing Giannis was going to trigger Nike or not, I'm glad that he did it. When a company with >100B market cap is reacting publicly to your comments, you have their attention.
 

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I'd love to know how far up the chain tweets go for approval. A lot of brands give their social teams pretty wide latitude nowadays on the assumption that all virality is good virality. It's probably a 25-year-old kid who spends 23 hours a day online.
 

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I'd love to know how far up the chain tweets go for approval. A lot of brands give their social teams pretty wide latitude nowadays on the assumption that all virality is good virality. It's probably a 25-year-old kid who spends 23 hours a day online.
I think you're 100% correct. It's probably someone very low on the corporate chain who is VERY online that tweeted that.

Regardless, it's kind of wild that a HUGE corporation like Nike operates that way and that they would be so petty.

Pretty hilarious honestly
 

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Still waiting for JB's jump shot to return to what it was last year (his 3P shot is 59 % points lower than last year, deep 2s are 90 % points lower than last year, mid-range shots are 58 % points lower than last year), but it's heartening to see his FTAs up to 8 per game where he's shooting a not terrible .764. If he had played enough to qualify, that would be 4th best, remarkable for a guy who really never got to the line all that much in the past considering his skillset(career high was 5.1/game in 2023, 39th best).
 

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Kids used to love his show, but ever since Deflategate, he's been "Bill Nye the Science Fraud" to me.
 

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Yeah, Nye is a dope. It's fine that Brown wants to meet him, and it's cool that Nye thinks it's great. But Nye is a dope.
 

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The Wiz put Nye on the Jumbotron and I booed him because of Deflategate. I looked to my right and my wife was booing him because she hates celebrity scientists that speak authoritatively about science outside of their expertise.

Sadly, we were drowned out by the cheers of celebrity worshippers.

I like JB and I'll take him posing with Nye over JT idolizing a rapist.
 

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Other than outside shooting, it has been a great start to the year for JB. Career highs in rebounds, assists, free throw attempts and FT%, but FG% and 3P% are the lowest of his career. 7-10 from 3 today will help:

View: https://twitter.com/taylorcsnow/status/1860851709737685199
It’s funny, to the naked eye Jaylen hasn’t seemed quite as locked in or consistent as last year. Perhaps the hip flexor and the missed games have something to do with it. Or maybe he’s missing Kristaps. But in addition to the shooting, Jaylen doesn’t seem to be finishing with the same constancy (and force) at the rim. And yet, he’s right there numbers-wise and is seemingly able to turn it on at will as demonstrated by the last few games.
 

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It’s funny, to the naked eye Jaylen hasn’t seemed quite as locked in or consistent as last year. Perhaps the hip flexor and the missed games have something to do with it. Or maybe he’s missing Kristaps. But in addition to the shooting, Jaylen doesn’t seem to be finishing with the same constancy (and force) at the rim. And yet, he’s right there numbers-wise and is seemingly able to turn it on at will as demonstrated by the last few games.
My impression is that, apart from the mostly subpar 3-point shooting, Jaylen has been an absolute beast this season.
 

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My impression is that, apart from the mostly subpar 3-point shooting, Jaylen has been an absolute beast this season.
Yep. He's attacking the rim with more ferocity, not less, evidenced by a massive uptick in FTA. His assists and rebounds are up materially on last year, but his turnovers are flat in more minutes. Shooting percentage from 2pt and 3pt is the only thing down really.
 

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Yep. He's attacking the rim with more ferocity, not less, evidenced by a massive uptick in FTA. His assists and rebounds are up materially on last year, but his turnovers are flat in more minutes. Shooting percentage from 2pt and 3pt is the only thing down really.
Brown's approach (FTs) is 100X more important than shooting % after 13 games.

The JAYs both get an A to open the season, there is no resting on Championship laurels here.
 

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Brown's approach (FTs) is 100X more important than shooting % after 13 games.

The JAYs both get an A to open the season, there is no resting on Championship laurels here.
I agree. And once we have enough data I think that it will show that he is much more engaged on defense too, frequently seeking out opponents' best wings (and sometimes PGs) and putting big effort into making them work. Definitely no laurel resting for either guy right now. If anything, they seem to be enjoying defending the crown on a daily basis, without KP too.