Jaylen Brown 2024-25, Year 9: What they gonna say now?!

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Seeing the Jays grow up as Celtics, on a contender from the jump, and leading this storied franchise to a title has been most satisfying as a fan. The league has had so many examples of superstars coming up together and not co-existing successfully. They were forged as teenagers in big game after big game, when most high draft picks get to play at least a few seasons of losing ball as they pad their stats and find their way in the league. They did everything the right way, and got their first title

Now, they enter their prime, brimming with justifiable confidence, jacked to the max, with an amazing supporting cast, a great young coach, and the best front office in the league. There are a lot of individual stars in the league, but it’s the Jays’ league now.
 

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Seeing the Jays grow up as Celtics, on a contender from the jump, and leading this storied franchise to a title has been most satisfying as a fan. The league has had so many examples of superstars coming up together and not co-existing successfully. They were forged as teenagers in big game after big game, when most high draft picks get to play at least a few seasons of losing ball as they pad their stats and find their way in the league. They did everything the right way, and got their first title

Now, they enter their prime, brimming with justifiable confidence, jacked to the max, with an amazing supporting cast, a great young coach, and the best front office in the league. There are a lot of individual stars in the league, but it’s the Jays’ league now.
Danny Ainge deserves a statue for his work from 2004. Built 2 absolute juggernauts. Obviously, he didn’t put the finishing touches on this one but he found the cornerstones and hired the coach who would ultimately become the final architect.
 

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Although I think Tatum, narrowly, deserved Finals MVP, having Jaylen win ECF and Finals MVPs is such an optimal result for the Celts. It burnishes Jaylen's reputation and cements his status as an inner circle NBA elite and gives Tatum something to strive for. This season is going to be so fun.
 

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I'm 100% certain that Jaylen could put up 10+ TDs as a WR/TE in the NFL with an offseason and camp to prepare for a season. Dude is silly jacked and lean.

And he's still pissed off, which is good for us and bad for opponents. If we win this year, Wyc should give Grant Hill and Steve Kerr rings.
 

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I'm 100% certain that Jaylen could put up 10+ TDs as a WR/TE in the NFL with an offseason and camp to prepare for a season. Dude is silly jacked and lean.

And he's still pissed off, which is good for us and bad for opponents. If we win this year, Wyc should give Grant Hill and Steve Kerr rings.
Seems like a good time to re-post the race between JB and AJ Bouye, who apparently has run the 40 in as low as 4.45.

View: https://youtu.be/ywgR6eQmS-o?si=vZKuDXG7eC486nSv
 

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Seems like a good time to re-post the race between JB and AJ Bouye, who apparently has run the 40 in as low as 4.45.

View: https://youtu.be/ywgR6eQmS-o?si=vZKuDXG7eC486nSv
His size and speed in transition are up there with the best in the league. He was 2nd last year in ppg in transition (only behind Giannis), 4th in 2023 (only behind Giannis, Lebron and SGA). I love that even though there are 4 other starters comfortable with creating their own offense (and the team in generally was relatively slow, 23rd in pace), it seemed all year like everyone made a conscious effort to get Jaylen the ball whenever there was a transition opportunity.
 

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Am I crazy to be concerned about the health of Jaylen's feet and ankles wearing his own shoes? Those BBB shoes gave Lonzo problems with his ankles.
 

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That thumbnail makes it look like it was just Jaylen's disembodied head appearing on Hot Ones.
 

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That thumbnail makes it look like it was just Jaylen's disembodied head appearing on Hot Ones.
That looks like how they would have made someone appear as a "disembodied head" on Space Ghost, without bothering with a green screen or anything...
 

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The number of people that can't differentiate the fake and nonsensical philosophical musings of Kyrie vs Jaylen is disturbing. I will admit that I could just be a sucker, but Jaylen Brown sounds so much more real than Kyrie ever has.
I hope he finds something really great to work on in his post basketball career.
 

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This is actually a really cool way to look at it and I kind of love it.
100%. That Jaylen sees playing on-ball defense as not just a form of non-verbal communication but with regularities as in music is just so brilliant. Like, in football, we talk about reading defenses, but that sorta evokes reading a fixed text. Jaylen is talking about a kind of conversation reflective of the dynamic of on-ball D. And, damn if it doesn’t work; obviously others do similar, but this is a great articulation, and I bet others can apply it to their game as well.

Probably not a coincidence that Jaylen wore dark glasses with side-obstructions to the interview; obscuring the eyes for a high intensity communication event. Which is underscored by how he inadvertently revealed that he was approaching the thing as a competitor, as Evans ably noted. In classic Hot Wings fashion, this is a must watch to see what Jaylen reveals that he might not otherwise without this weird unassuming guy taking him outside his comfort zone—it’s a special glimpse.
 

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The number of people that can't differentiate the fake and nonsensical philosophical musings of Kyrie vs Jaylen is disturbing. I will admit that I could just be a sucker, but Jaylen Brown sounds so much more real than Kyrie ever has.
I hope he finds something really great to work on in his post basketball career.
Politics. Jaylen Brown, 53rd POTUS.

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Just a note that Frank Isola was counting down the ESPN top100 on NBA Radio and when he got to Jaylen at #14 Scal said “oh that’s too low” and something along the lines of “have they seen him this year?”
 

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14 seems about right? That would be 2nd team All-NBA after the inevitable injuries and rest happen to other guys, and the other names ahead of him are really freaking good.

If you have a top-5 (imo top-3) player, top-15 player, two or three top-40 guys, and a deep bench.....don't you get exactly what the Celtics have now, in terms of wins/point differential? Particularly in the modern NBA, where the rules and strategy reward well-rounded teams so much.
 

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14 seems about right? That would be 2nd team All-NBA after the inevitable injuries and rest happen to other guys, and the other names ahead of him are really freaking good.

If you have a top-5 (imo top-3) player, top-15 player, two or three top-40 guys, and a deep bench.....don't you get exactly what the Celtics have now, in terms of wins/point differential? Particularly in the modern NBA, where the rules and strategy reward well-rounded teams so much.
I think he’s anywhere from 12-15. 14 is definitely fair
 

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Oh, 14 seemed fair to me as well. And Scal’s reaction surprised me. But Brown does look strong and on a mission so far.
 

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The NBA is so deep. 14 is no insult. I hope it’s too low. If it’s too low we will dominate again.
 

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He'd be higher than 14 if you really facotred in durability, consistency and mental toughness. Which people should, but ya know...
 

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He'd be higher than 14 if you really facotred in durability, consistency and mental toughness. Which people should, but ya know...
I'm not so sure. 14 is a pretty nice jump for a guy who was mostly in the 20-25 range a year ago. As noted above, being ranked 14 means if you stay healthy you're a near lock for all-NBA (assuming at least a couple of the guys in front of you will get hurt). Ideally he'd end up like Jimmy Butler, an all-star level regular season performer who raises his game to top 10 heights in the playoffs...and it's worth noting that for much of his prime, Butler has been in that 11-15 range (after his finals run last year, ESPN had Jimmy 12th).
 

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I'm not so sure. 14 is a pretty nice jump for a guy who was mostly in the 20-25 range a year ago. As noted above, being ranked 14 means if you stay healthy you're a near lock for all-NBA (assuming at least a couple of the guys in front of you will get hurt). Ideally he'd end up like Jimmy Butler, an all-star level regular season performer who raises his game to top 10 heights in the playoffs...and it's worth noting that for much of his prime, Butler has been in that 11-15 range (after his finals run last year, ESPN had Jimmy 12th).
Yes, and Jaylen also isn't that far removed from completely shitting the bed when Tatum got hurt in 2023. He massively and deservedly upped his rep in the 2024 run, but he's still not That Guy imo.

He may get closer to it this year though! The man's improvement curve has not been normal.
 

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Remember when Danny said, "Why trade JB for Jimmy Butler when JB might become Jimmy Butler?"? Well, JB's become Jimmy Butler - and may be surpassing him. What an outcome!
 

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Going back to this thread is always fun reading. I will not call out specific posters (as I feel it's unfair and could come across as dunking, which is not my intent, as I respect the b-ball knowledge of all of the posters quoted below):

https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/jaylen-brown-underrated.17489/

Agreed. Brown has more upside to be sure, but I think his median outcome is that he'll never be as good as Crowder.
All I'm saying is I'm not writing him in as the second best or best player on the next Celtics championship team, which is the direction the conversation seemed to be going
To be fair, a lot of the discussion was around probabilities and projections. It speaks more to Jaylen Brown that he has outperformed even the most optimistic projections in the thread above.
 

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Going back to this thread is always fun reading. I will not call out specific posters (as I feel it's unfair and could come across as dunking, which is not my intent, as I respect the b-ball knowledge of all of the posters quoted below):

https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/jaylen-brown-underrated.17489/





To be fair, a lot of the discussion was around probabilities and projections. It speaks more to Jaylen Brown that he has outperformed even the most optimistic projections in the thread above.
The first quote is a classic example of not knowing the difference between an analytics assessment and a scouting/growth one. As several noted in the thread, the theory on Jaylen was always elite physical skills developing - and they have. The small performance sample---weak college year and so-so numbers in some of the shooting and steals and passing stats--explain the analytic projection, and it wasn't unreasonable. But you don't win in the NBA by betting on median outcomes for your top guys, you win by either tremendous luck (lottery or FA) or by nailing the right-tail projection---which is what happened to Jaylen. I think there's a case you DO win in the middle of the roster by focusing on median outcomes not outliers, as an aside, but that's a different discussion. It's just really hard to get a couple of top 15ish guys and you have to take some risk to get there. Jae Crowder had a 0.1% chance of ever being that guy---the right choice is to prefer someone who had the upside.

Same poster was hugely critical of the Tatum pick, because statistically it is true there's a big drop in expected value between 1st pick and 3rd. But as was noted by several at the time---the scouting assessment is the key one and again, Celtics got that right.

One can write that off as variance within the statistical range - I simply think that's not true. Basketball guys getting basketball assessments right remains critical, and analytics help make that true but continue to be unable to replace the scouting skills. This is not at all to reject value of analytics -it is only to note that it's not an absolute truth, either.
 

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Going back to this thread is always fun reading. I will not call out specific posters (as I feel it's unfair and could come across as dunking, which is not my intent, as I respect the b-ball knowledge of all of the posters quoted below):

https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/jaylen-brown-underrated.17489/

To be fair, a lot of the discussion was around probabilities and projections. It speaks more to Jaylen Brown that he has outperformed even the most optimistic projections in the thread above.
There were even some asshats who proposed trading him! Glad they aren’t around here no more. ;)
 

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There were even some asshats who proposed trading him! Glad they aren’t around here no more. ;)
Ha, I was on board with trading him as recently as last fall.

And not because I didn't think he was good! He just seemed destined to be the best guy in Detroit or Houston or Portland once he signed that guaranteed 5th year with a lower trade kicker, while the Celtics could go more complementary around Tatum.
 

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Going back to this thread is always fun reading. I will not call out specific posters (as I feel it's unfair and could come across as dunking, which is not my intent, as I respect the b-ball knowledge of all of the posters quoted below):

https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/jaylen-brown-underrated.17489/





To be fair, a lot of the discussion was around probabilities and projections. It speaks more to Jaylen Brown that he has outperformed even the most optimistic projections in the thread above.
I was hugely critical of Jaylen as recently as the first 20 games of last season. I was wrong, and thrilled to be.

I used to scoff at the idea that Tatum wasn’t the #1 guy on the team. I still believe he is, but I do think we’re entered a world where Jaylen taking a leap into the conversation and maybe even having the superior season or two isn’t a 0% chance. Hard to imagine without more playmaking from JB. I think what I’m really saying is that the range of outcomes has overlapped, and that’s remarkable.
 

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I was hugely critical of Jaylen as recently as the first 20 games of last season. I was wrong, and thrilled to be.

I used to scoff at the idea that Tatum wasn’t the #1 guy on the team. I still believe he is, but I do think we’re entered a world where Jaylen taking a leap into the conversation and maybe even having the superior season or two isn’t a 0% chance. Hard to imagine without more playmaking from JB. I think what I’m really saying is that the range of outcomes has overlapped, and that’s remarkable.
I’d be pretty surprised lol, but I do think that Jaylen leads them in shots per game this season. Tatum seems to really be leaning into the playmaker role, and Jaylen seems super aggressive. Think the ppg split will be like 27.6 Tatum, 26 for Jaylen, just because 3 point volume and the FT line.

I’m very curious about how much JB shoots threes this season.
 

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I’d be pretty surprised lol, but I do think that Jaylen leads them in shots per game this season. Tatum seems to really be leaning into the playmaker role, and Jaylen seems super aggressive. Think the ppg split will be like 27.6 Tatum, 26 for Jaylen, just because 3 point volume and the FT line.

I’m very curious about how much JB shoots threes this season.
Yeah, I don't think people here or nationally really grok how far ahead Tatum is as a playmaking engine.

That said, I was re-watching the Finals recently, and Jaylen had some truly massive stretches where he drove the offense with Tatum out. Game 3 late 3rd quarter, in particular, stands out. It wasn't "Jaylen but really DWhite" either; it was Jaylen leading an offense on the biggest stage.

Shocking progress in the year following the Miami series.
 

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Yeah, I don't think people here or nationally really grok how far ahead Tatum is as a playmaking engine.

That said, I was re-watching the Finals recently, and Jaylen had some truly massive stretches where he drove the offense with Tatum out. Game 3 late 3rd quarter, in particular, stands out. It wasn't "Jaylen but really DWhite" either; it was Jaylen leading an offense on the biggest stage.

Shocking progress in the year following the Miami series.
People talk about his left hand or his dribbling, as far as his biggest leap last season. His biggest improvement (by far) was just making the right play/read. The game slowed down just enough for him to be able to toe the line of controlled ultra aggression, which I had all but given up on ever happening tbh lol.

If you make the right play with this roster, they will help you be a floor raiser. And that’s what changed with Jaylen last season, he became a good floor raiser.