Jarren Duran: Today We Like Him

Tim Salmon

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That's a career-defining moment. I don't know if he'll ever shake that here. He'll have to go somewhere like Miami, where they just don't give a crap.
 

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Jesus, people. He lost it, and by the time he figured out where it was, Dugie was obviously closer to the ball than him. I'm not even a fan of the kid, but context matters.
 

Tim Salmon

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Jesus, people. He lost it, and by the time he figured out where it was, Dugie was obviously closer to the ball than him. I'm not even a fan of the kid, but context matters.
The ball hit the ground around 10 seconds, and you can see that Duran located it around 11 seconds, because he turned around and started walking slowly toward it. The only defensible response at that point is to sprint toward it like a madman, even if he's almost certain to get there after Verdugo.
 

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Jesus, people. He lost it, and by the time he figured out where it was, Dugie was obviously closer to the ball than him. I'm not even a fan of the kid, but context matters.
Am I crazy to for being confident Duran would have beat him to the ball once he saw it? Also where is the instinct to clean up your own mess? Embarrassing.
 

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Better be a hell of a players only after the game tonight. Xander needs to (figuratively) slap some people around.
 

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The ball hit the ground around 10 seconds, and you can see that Duran located it around 11 seconds, because he turned around and started walking slowly toward it. The only defensible response at that point is to sprint toward it like a madman, even if he's almost certain to get there after Verdugo.
Exactly. He gave up on the play and did nothing. He didn’t even try to go get it. He’s the CFer, he is ostensibly in charge out there and he’s got to go after it.

Losing the ball isn’t the issue. Not moving at all afterwards is. SIX SECONDS before Verdugo touched the ball.
 

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We know he's a shitty outfielder. I have to assume they know it. We really need two outfielders and a first baseman if they hope to grab a low playoff position. And if Nate is not 100% I'm not sure that's enough.
 

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Exactly. He gave up on the play and did nothing. He didn’t even try to go get it. He’s the CFer, he is ostensibly in charge out there and he’s got to go after it.

Losing the ball isn’t the issue. Not moving at all afterwards is. SIX SECONDS before Verdugo touched the ball.
I’m not willing to let go of losing it to be honest. Not sure I’ve seen a ball misjudged that badly in a night game. Makes you wonder if he was daydreaming off the crack of the bat.
 

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I’m not willing to let go of losing it to be honest. Not sure I’ve seen a ball misjudged that badly in a night game. Makes you wonder if he was daydreaming off the crack of the bat.
In a night of knee-jerk hate-posting, this one takes the cake
 

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I’m not willing to let go of losing it to be honest. Not sure I’ve seen a ball misjudged that badly in a night game. Makes you wonder if he was daydreaming off the crack of the bat.
I mean, shit happens. It’s bad, and shows he’s not a good fielder, but it happened and not due to lack of effort.

It’s what happened afterwards that’s the problem.
 

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Better be a hell of a players only after the game tonight. Xander needs to (figuratively) slap some people around.
Xander knows this GM isn’t committed to building a winning team in 2022. He’s also not willing to negotiate in good faith with the team leaders that are up for contracts, so why would he slap anyone around? He’s going to play out the string, opt out, and go somewhere where management actually cares about winning next year.
 

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Just gonna say this - it's ridiculous that the Sox have a $200 or $220 payroll or whateverthefuck it is and their outfield, starter and bench included, is the worst since at least 1992, but arguably in franchise history. -0.3 war between the 3 starters is the worst since 1936.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/pos.shtml

Duran, if he were ever going to be an actual major league player, would have found his niche this year. He's simply not a major league player.
 

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That’s a really tough moment to come back from. You have to show effort even in failure. That shouldn’t be something you learn in CF for the Red Sox.
 

simplicio

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Maybe he was just trying to be helpful and position himself around where he'd need a cutoff man if he'd fielded it.
 

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Maybe he was just trying to honor the 18th anniversary of Manny's cut-off a day late.

View: https://twitter.com/bostonsportsinf/status/1549934611785990144?t=8OBYZ1dtGTeChP9MD14o_w&s=19


I'll be curious to hear his explanation. Hopefully he used the rest of the game to come up with a convincing story about thinking the ball was a homer the fans had dropped.

Edit - simplicio beat me to it by seconds...

Edit #2 - His excuse was...counterfactual.

View: https://twitter.com/byJulianMack/status/1550687453434052610?t=Ey7rn0-H4gh7O5A39-_d8Q&s=19
 
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gattman

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Here’s the thing— he definitely lost the ball and maybe he didn’t know where it landed. But he likely saw it hit the warning track. And he certainly saw Dugie moving towards it. At that point, you hustle your ass off towards it. It’s just what you do.

You don’t control your circumstances but you control how you react. This will sit with Duran for some time. No matter what he says.
 

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Here’s the thing— he definitely lost the ball and maybe he didn’t know where it landed. But he likely saw it hit the warning track. And he certainly saw Dugie moving towards it. At that point, you hustle your ass off towards it. It’s just what you do.

You don’t control your circumstances but you control how you react. This will sit with Duran for some time. No matter what he says.
I agree with this… lose it I the sun, lose it on the dirt, but you control your response to it. This is what you expect out of a summer intern over their head, let alone someone competing for 1/9 on the Boston Red Sox.
 

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That’s an unreal excuse. He wasn’t in the same zip code as Verdugo. Duran ran in from CF to go to where he thought the ball was. Dugo was on the warning track. Outrageous.
Bottom line it’s an inexcusable lack of understanding awareness and effort play by a veteran. It’s mindblowing for a new player in the very fringe of MLB to show such a dramatic misunderstanding of what is required at a basic level. Even if you know you are not getting there, fake hustle. Make it look like you care.
 

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Just gonna say this - it's ridiculous that the Sox have a $200 or $220 payroll or whateverthefuck it is and their outfield, starter and bench included, is the worst since at least 1992, but arguably in franchise history. -0.3 war between the 3 starters is the worst since 1936.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/pos.shtml

Duran, if he were ever going to be an actual major league player, would have found his niche this year. He's simply not a major league player.
This. In September he turns 26. He’s no longer a prospect. He’s got a career .638 OPS. He’s a subpar fielder. And apparently he’s not all that interested in chasing down balls he’s f’d up.

This isn’t a Bloom failure. He inherited him. And he had a bunch of helium from 2019 to 2021. But at this point it’s time to acknowledge that he’s not part of the solution now or later. Unfortunately it’s likely too late to move him for much of value
 

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I've always been fascinated by how many mind-readers we have on this site.

For the record, here's what Duran said about the play
“It’s the most helpless feeling you could ever feel,” Duran said, as seen on NESN postgame coverage. “Until you guys catch a fly ball in twilight, let me know.”
Things compounded for Duran as after the ball landed, he didn’t race back for it and instead watched Alex Verdugo hustle over from left field to grab the ball. Duran told reporters he didn’t try to attempt to go back to field the ball because he didn’t want to get in Verdugo’s way.
https://nesn.com/2022/07/red-soxs-alex-cora-defends-jarren-duran-after-outfield-miscue/
 

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I could care less what he was thinking. I just know his reaction to the mistake was not to hustle. That’s enough for me.
That's fine, and I agree. Others though posted as though they knew what was going on in his head at the time
 

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Jesus, people. He lost it, and by the time he figured out where it was, Dugie was obviously closer to the ball than him. I'm not even a fan of the kid, but context matters.
I agree. The camera angle makes it look worse because you can't see Verdugo already sprinting. Duran was standing still when he locates the ball. No way he beats Dugie to it. It was a really bad play all around but I'm not sure he quit. It looked that way on TV though.
 

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If he didn’t want to get in Verdugo’s way, why is he walking a straight line to the ball when the throw is likely coming home. Not getting in Verdugo’s way would’ve meant jogging out of his throwing lane. Guess quitting mid round is a family thing.
 

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After all we know about this player it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. I was at the game and the crowd was rooting for him to end the game on a K because of that incredible nonchalance and to his credit, he came through powerfully there.

It's hard to say after watching tonight that JBJ wouldn't have had that as a can of corn if he got to play center, everything he did looked so effortless except barely missing on the throw home. Impossible to overstate how much that play, especially Duran's pathetic attitude showed that the game was immediately over. I'm sad to come home and see some boilerplate quotes by the manager and by Duran as if this was just an unfortunate bounce.
 

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An on-field error followed by an off-field error. Being snarky with Boston media rarely works out well for players.
Yup. As egregious as the play was, the lack of accountability afterwards really sealed the deal for me. Get him the hell off the team yesterday.
 

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We’re talking about a kid who is 26 and who is 3 for his last 30. Sub .700 OPS for the season. Doesn’t play great defense. Has already hurt this team with his selfishness on vaccination. He just hasn’t risen to the opportunity he was given this year and I don’t see much reason to bother with him beyond this year. Last night’s play was just the cherry on the sundae.

The lack of hustle was noticed by basically everyone. Just an inexcusable effort from a kid was already trending in the wrong direction. Chaim needs to send him to Oakland or something.