January 2025 Transfer Window: All Bark and No Bite?
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Fair enough, my impression was that they were betting on him becoming a first-team contributor for them, but I guess for $200k he's just Another Brick In The Wall to them, and a sale to Greece after a semi-successful second-division loan probably counts as a win. But he was 2021 League Best XI for Louisville City at age 17 and looked to be on a fast track to the Big 5 and USMNT status, and then went to La Real and basically disappeared for 18 months. He got spot minutes for Real B in 21-22, played zero minutes anywhere in 22-23, then went to Mirandes in August 2023, as if he'd been chewed up and spat out. That he played 3000 minutes in 23-24 for them and then got sold to PAOK is nice, but it doesn't feel like it's a credit to Real Sociedad's development system, it looks like he hit the eject button and ended up better for it. Am open to other interpretations though.
"Fast track to the Big 5 and USMNT" is the part of this that's doing a lot of work here for me. If that's who he was/is, then his development at Sociedad was maybe questionable. If he was just a USYNTer with tidy technical skills and a questionable physical profile on whom Sociedad took a flyer, then his outcome seems pretty reasonable to me and that's the direction I largely lean.
I dunno guys, was I just too high on JoGo after the dual-national panic around him, and how we had no fullback depth? Because having a second quality LB would've meant so much for us, maybe I saw technical skill in him that wasn't there. He's had senior caps (mostly cameos) for both USA and Mexico, so someone out there was really eager to land him.
I think this is spot on. For JoGo he gets to go to Europe and play against grown ass men while still developing (as opposed to England/MLS where their B teams/U-21s aren’t part of the pyramid). Real Sociedad take a flyer on a kid who might become an impact player. They have an incredible track record developing talent, but they are a fringe Champions League team every year. I posted it somewhere, but Real Sociedad are top 4 in the big 5 leagues in terms minutes given to players players they developed (I think the entire top 4 were La Liga clubs, and La Real, Athletic Club, Osasuna, and Barca were there). Their left backs now are just likely better. Aihen is the starter, an academy product. His backup is Javi Lopez, another academy product and a Spain U-21 international. There are a couple more youth international fullbacks on their B team. Going to a strong developmental club that promotes heavily from within, like many in Spain and Germany do, is a path I’d love to see more USYNTers take. It might not have worked for JoGo, but his story is far from finished too.
Entering this conversation with 0 knowledge about US soccer, especially on the collegiate level.
With that said, I would like to point out that in the 2021 - 2022 campaign, Real Sociedad's B team was playing in the Segunda Divisíon. All in all that is still one of the top 10 leagues in the world. It's hard to see how being a squad player at that level would hurt a teenagers progress.
With that said, I would like to point out that in the 2021 - 2022 campaign, Real Sociedad's B team was playing in the Segunda Divisíon. All in all that is still one of the top 10 leagues in the world. It's hard to see how being a squad player at that level would hurt a teenagers progress.
I don’t want to speak for @InstaFace but as USMNT fans, we get attached to our young prospects for any number of reasons. First, we don’t have an endless supply of young players that some of the world powers do. Most of our prospects go into European academies at a young age because they live in Europe or have access to a passport. There are three USYNT players at Barca B (two who came through La Masia, one through Cornella), at least one in La Fábrica etc. Otherwise they come through MLS academies first then to Europe when they’re more fully developed. Gomez took a different track, playing in USL (it’s a closed system here in the US, and USL is more of a second tier professional league) first which allowed him to play professionally then go into Sociedad’s B team. I think Josh Wynder and a few others took a similar path, but Gomez was the first so he stood out. It was a time of a lot of dual national battles with Mexico. There were several prominent players born in the US to Mexican parents to fight over, JoGo being one (Barca/Las Palmas player Julian Araujo and Sevilla killer Ricardo Pepi were two others at the time). At the time, I think that there was not just concern about the depth of the fullbacks for the USMNT, as Insta noted, but belief that the starting LB Antonee Robinson was very limited and the hope that JoGo would get up to Real Sociedad first tine and supplant Robinson. All of this combined made Gomez stand out in the eyes of USMNT fans, myself included.
Back to the matter at hand. Man U are looking to offload some players. Napoli want to splash some cash after selling Kvara.
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Adeyemi to Napoli is getting close. Seems like a good move for all parties.
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People having fun with the Antony to Betis move. He will be in Seville today.
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Como look to add a non-Spaniard, this time US eligible Damion Downs. Torino are also looking at him.
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People having fun with the Antony to Betis move. He will be in Seville today.
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Como look to add a non-Spaniard, this time US eligible Damion Downs. Torino are also looking at him.
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Luis Henrique to Zenit St. Petersburg. This is the biggest sale in Botofogo’s history.
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He’s taken a very circuitous route back to Europe. He moved from Fluminense to Real Betis in 2022 and was very impressive, but got caught up in the same match fixing scandal as Lucas Paqueta. He went back to Brazil, won the Copa Libertadores, and is now off to Zenit. He’s also gotten called up to the Selecao. I get the sense he’s avoiding Western Europe though as he left Spain before charges were brought against him.
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He’s taken a very circuitous route back to Europe. He moved from Fluminense to Real Betis in 2022 and was very impressive, but got caught up in the same match fixing scandal as Lucas Paqueta. He went back to Brazil, won the Copa Libertadores, and is now off to Zenit. He’s also gotten called up to the Selecao. I get the sense he’s avoiding Western Europe though as he left Spain before charges were brought against him.
This David Lynch homage for Antony’s announcement video is amazing. I hope the supporters start calling him Eraserhead.
https://x.com/realbetis/status/1883205737872019606?s=46
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The Betis social media team has been on fire the last couple of years (unfortunately more entertaining than watching the team lately, today’s game not withstanding), but this one takes the cake. I almost spit out my coffee at the end of it.
Betis fans are known for being a bit odd and creative. They’ll find plenty of ways to work in Lynch film references, whether Antony is great or terrible.
The Villarreal to Villa path is well travelled. First Emery, then Pau Torres, and now maybe Juan Foyth.
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Neymar back to Santos is a done deal.
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Mario Hermoso looks to be off to Leverkusen
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Mario Hermoso looks to be off to Leverkusen
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The finally trophy tally for European club football for Ney:
Barcelona (4 seasons)
La Liga (2): 2014–15, 2015–16
Copa del Rey (3): 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17
UEFA Champions League (1): 2014–15
Paris Saint-Germain (6 seasons)
Ligue 1 (5): 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20, 2021–22, 2022–23
Coupe de France (3): 2017–18, 2019–20, 2020–21
UEFA Champions League (0): runner-up 2019–20
TIL France also has a FA Cup/Carabao thingy going on with the Coupe de France and the Coupe de la Ligue (Ney won 2 of those: 2017–18, 2019–20). Worth noting that only the top 2 divisions in France are fully professional. Farmer's League indeed (I kid, I kid).
Very solid career and it's a bit harsh to say it was a letdown. But I'll always think about what if he stayed at Barca instead of PSG. If he had been there with Messi in the late teens, they probably could've done some special things. SNM (as I call it) was a crazy front line, and Messi's 50 yard diagonal dimes to Ney in the box are something I'll never forget. As much as I dislike the guy, he was absolutely one of the best and most electric players of his generation. He made a personal choice to leave and it's hard to fault him for that.
What say you re Neymar?
(A) met your expectations
(B) exceeded your expectations
(C) didn't meet your expectations
(D) You forgot to list his 6 Fall on d'Floors
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Probably met expectations or exceeded expectations from a club perspective. He was often labeled as the next best player in the world post-Messi and Ronaldo, but he never really achieved that, partly due to the longevity and consistency of the other two.
He was the Next Great Brazilian, and he was.
I think the "problem" with Neymar was that the hype was always bigger than him, maybe bigger than any player ever could be. From the time he blew up on the scene at Santos, he was supposed to be the next Messi/Ronaldo and he start getting press treatment like it. He also started to act like it a bit with the big entourage, the daily haircuts, his dad getting huge fees for facilitating transfers...it all created an image that Neymar could never live up, with generated the backlash. If he had Mo Salah's trajectory - from a small footballing nation, up through a 2nd tier European league, transfer a few more times before emerging as a great player - people would see Neymar completely differently. Except for the flopping, which became a kind of absurdist performance art.
He was the third best player in the world at his peak and most fans will never forgive him for it.
A, B, and C
I think in some ways he was a victim of the era. He was better for longer than Ronaldinho, which exceeded expectations for me. His trophies for Barca were along the lines of what I expected, and he was influential in that Champions League final against Juve as well as the comeback against PSG. He had moments of insane brilliance that I’ll never forget.
He played in an era with Messi and CR7. Most expected him to replace them as the best in the world. Part of that expectation was that those two would fade, but they didn’t. Usually the greats are in the conversation for the best in the world for a few seasons at their peak before fitness fades or lifestyle wears them down (Rooney, Ronaldinho etc). Messi and Cristiano just kept going though. He was among the first Brazilians to make the move to a huge club (Rivaldo to Depor, Ronaldinho to PSG- different owners, Ronaldo Fenómeno to PSV). Players weren’t thrown directly into the brightest lights that early in their careers. Also, players from Brazil were more or less unknown until they moved, cooked for a few years at a smaller club, then made a big jump. Now we all know these guys well beforehand.
He’s Brazils all time leading scorer but he didn’t win a World Cup. That matters to a lot of Brazilians.
Adnvanced statistics will likely never reward him because of how he impacted opponents mentally. The way extra eyes had to be on him, how a second (and a third, then a fourth) defender had to be aware of him with the ball, and how players backed off of him, afraid of being on the wrong end of a highlight video, allowing a pass or a shot that wouldn’t otherwise be there.
He might go down in history as in the top ten ever to lace them up, but never better than third playing at his time.
In one of those small moves that will always annoy me, Pau Prim is moving to Al Sadd.
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Prim is an 18 year old La Masia product. For a while he was considered one of the jewels of the academy, and he was doing well for Barca Athletic, but Marc Casado has emerged in Prim’s position (and Casado was considered the backup to Marc Bernal before he tore his ACL) so he likely wasn’t in the clubs longterm plans. I would have preferred him to stay in Spain though his family reportedly is cash strapped.
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Prim is an 18 year old La Masia product. For a while he was considered one of the jewels of the academy, and he was doing well for Barca Athletic, but Marc Casado has emerged in Prim’s position (and Casado was considered the backup to Marc Bernal before he tore his ACL) so he likely wasn’t in the clubs longterm plans. I would have preferred him to stay in Spain though his family reportedly is cash strapped.
Wait what? Neymar wasn't a flop or anything but he probably isn't one of the 100 best players to ever play, let alone top ten.
Also, Kaka went straight from Sao Paulo to AC Milan, the reigning European Champions, and immediately won Serie A Player of the Year in his debut campaign.
I was just laughing to myself because if Mo was Brazilian - if Salahino was a star for Liverpool but never Barca or Real, if he couldn’t drag Brazil to a World Cup victory - he’d be seen as a disappointment, too. The expectations placed on these young men are insane.
Which also helps us appreciate Messi all the more. He picked up Argentina’s heavy mantle, shouldered Maradona’s legacy, and built his own brilliant career.
Which also helps us appreciate Messi all the more. He picked up Argentina’s heavy mantle, shouldered Maradona’s legacy, and built his own brilliant career.
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Meanwhile CR7's trophy cabinet for Portugal would be bare but for Éder -- after Ronaldo went off injured 
Can't help but think Neymar was anything but a disappointment in terms of his lack of longevity, proneness to injury, and apparent lack of diligence in his recovery. He was unplayable on his day, but his peak was about half of what it should have been.
Can't help but think Neymar was anything but a disappointment in terms of his lack of longevity, proneness to injury, and apparent lack of diligence in his recovery. He was unplayable on his day, but his peak was about half of what it should have been.
Neymar will be long remembered for this, at least...
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I was going to qualify it with “teenager” but Neymar was 21 when he moved to Barca (and I think Kaka was 22 when he moved to Milan). Overall point was that few players make the jump from Brazil to huge European clubs.
Typo on the “10”. Meant to put discussion for top 30, but you would disagree with that anyways.
Yeah I think when you are talking all-time, it would be hard to rate Neymar all that high, his peak being the third best attacking player on his own team for a few years, and that peak not being all that long. I'd personally rate Luis Suarez above Neymar...and Luis Suarez isn't even the best Luis Suarez to ever play for Barcelona!
One of the beautiful parts of the game is that it's all in what we like to watch (and sometimes who we watch more of). For me, there is the elite class (Messi, Maradona, Pele) then a near-elite class of like 20 players (CR7, Fenomeno etc) that I put guys like Garnacho in because I never saw him play- started really watching in the late 80s/early 90s. Beyond that there are like 100 players in the next tier, including a lot of that Barcelona team (Suarez, Xavi, Iniesta, and Neymar), that were in Balon d'Or nominations but not at the level as the guys before them. Within those tiers, I could see arguments for anyone to be better, and I could see arguments for players to be moved up or down tiers. I'm a La Liga fan, and a Catalan at that, so I probably rate certain players more by familiarity or stylistic preference. I would understand someone saying Neymar isn't top 100 because he flops and the way he plays isn't how some prefer the game to be played. I see a player who did things that nobody else could do on a soccer field who was Brazil's all time leading scorer (Pele had more goals per game, but he's already rated well above Neymar). Personally, I never really rated guys like Lampard or Gerrard as highly, but that again is my preference. I also tend to rate players in later generations higher than those in earlier ones as I have seen how much better players are in general, both in talent and overall fitness, than 30 years ago.
In other words, you rate him lower for completely legitimate reasons, and I don't disagree. There is just too much nuance and ways to enjoy the game, and we just like different things. I just rate him higher for what I think are legitimate reasons.
If Neymar had leveled up his game as much as Messi did his, he would have won WC for Brazil.
But Brazil’s failuresduring Neymar’s career are hardly all Neymar’s fault. The lack of trophies isn’t on him.
if that makes sense.
on Brazils own terms
But Brazil’s failuresduring Neymar’s career are hardly all Neymar’s fault. The lack of trophies isn’t on him.
if that makes sense.
on Brazils own terms
Neymar wouldn't be in my Top 100 because his peak was relatively short, he wasn't really in the best in the world conversation at that peak, and the game has been played in a major, organized way, for well over 100 years. It's easy to only rate players that we've seen in person or live, or are intimately familiar with how the game was played in an era. But when we use the term ALL-TIME, it would be absurd to disqualify 80% of all players or so because they played in a different, perhaps less overall competitive era. That would be like dismissing Willie Mays or Bill Russell.
Using Bill Russell as an example. If he played in today's NBA, does he make a roster given the changes in rules, athleticism, and style of play? Was he so smart and talented that he would adjust his game? Or do we rate he compared to his peers (when I never saw him play)? How do we rank him compared to, say, Lebron? I don't know the answers and I doubt there are "right" ones, and how we answer impacts how we rank players on all time lists.
Diego Maradona had a short peak as well, but I assume everyone has him near the top of their best-ever lists.
Back to the thread topic (and this discussion is probably best moved somewhere else):
Barcelona sold another young player, Unai Hernandez, to Al Ittihad. See my statements about Pau Prim
Barca also moving Alex Valle to Como (another Spaniard for Cesc's project) on a loan with a buy option. I preferred Valle over Gerard Martin as a backup to Balde, but the club thought differently.
Pretty sure both players are from Badalona, just up the coast from Barcelona, one of those coastal beach towns you can reach easily by train.
I feel like this is a much busier January window than I expected (see the thread title). Now Mathys Tel is looking to get out of Bayern this month. Chelsea want him and they won’t be alone.
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I did not see this one coming. Ex Rev Tajon Buchanan to Villarreal on a loan with a buy option.
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This will be an interesting one to watch. He really hasn't played that much at Bayern, especially under Kompany. But he seems super highly rated across the football world.
Villarreal have been busy. They’re adding Rafa Marin on loan until the end of the season. Why Real Madrid didn’t do this will continue to blow my mind.
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I hope he goes to a place where he will play and re-establish his value a bit. Loads of talent, he really stood out in the French youth teams, which is no small feat.
This sounds like some pretty shady stuff by Al Nassr if the deal for Boniface was already agreed with both club and player, the medical done, and only some final paperwork to sign.
I feel like there must be stuff going on with Duran that isn't apparent to most of us. Ambitious clubs like Villa generally aren't excited to sell elite striking prospects and Duran himself seems pretty willing to cash in immediately, no matter the effect on his career. Everybody involved seems very very happy to sell high to Saudi Arabia.
I feel like there must be stuff going on with Duran that isn't apparent to most of us. Ambitious clubs like Villa generally aren't excited to sell elite striking prospects and Duran himself seems pretty willing to cash in immediately, no matter the effect on his career. Everybody involved seems very very happy to sell high to Saudi Arabia.
Duran grew up in a notoriously poor & dangerous neighborhood in Medellin. I don’t know this for a fact, but he may have jumped at Chicago’s offer before turning 18 because it was a good offer & a guaranteed a ticket out for him & his family. He probably could have waited for a bigger offer from Europe after a couple senior national team appearances, but he was motivated to make a move ASAP.
If his goal is to make the most money from his career, then he probably won’t ever do better than making the leap to KSA. Good for him. He’s gonna change the trajectory of generations of his family & maybe thousands of others with charitable works.
Duran was also super immature in Chicago, especially compared to Slonina & Guti. For all his talent, he was combustible, moody, and occasionally petulant. I’ve been watching for signs of improvement at Villa as he grows up and plays for a demanding manager. The on pitch behavior seemed better until the recent red card stomp. Maybe he’s still a headache off the pitch that Emery is tired of.
If his goal is to make the most money from his career, then he probably won’t ever do better than making the leap to KSA. Good for him. He’s gonna change the trajectory of generations of his family & maybe thousands of others with charitable works.
Duran was also super immature in Chicago, especially compared to Slonina & Guti. For all his talent, he was combustible, moody, and occasionally petulant. I’ve been watching for signs of improvement at Villa as he grows up and plays for a demanding manager. The on pitch behavior seemed better until the recent red card stomp. Maybe he’s still a headache off the pitch that Emery is tired of.
I don't blame him for taking the money, too much can happen to derail a career. I think its a bid odd that a hyper ambitious club like Villa are so eager to sell, especially since Watkins is 29. But they're playing a weird three card monte PSR game so maybe 60-70m is too much to turn down.
Villa paid £20m, so they’d be clearing £40-50m minus the sell on going back to Chicago. Not many chances to turn a profit like that.
TBH, on that red it seemed like he got very hard done by the ref / VAR, his other ankle was rolled on his prior step and it didn't seem like he had time to react and avoid Schar
It seemed borderline that he couldn't escape due to his prior reputation, unfortunately.
Arsenal's transfer policy this window is like the annoying guy in fantasy offering low ball trade offers just to rattle their rivals. First Cuhna, now Watkins. I approve
Ornstein says Duran to Al Nassr is on. Medical tomorrow, personal terms agreed, £64.5m fee.
No way Villa let Watkins & Duran walk in season. Am very curious if Villa can swing a deal for a Duran replacement before the window closes. Duran has played a little over 1000 minutes this season across competitions and tallied 12g. It’s a big hole to fill.
No way Villa let Watkins & Duran walk in season. Am very curious if Villa can swing a deal for a Duran replacement before the window closes. Duran has played a little over 1000 minutes this season across competitions and tallied 12g. It’s a big hole to fill.
In retrospect, it was over for Gomez as a high level prospect when some informed observers of the game were speculating about whether Real Sociedad might experiment with him as a DM.
Nobody toys with LB-to-DM conversions for players with elite athleticism.
Duran to Al Nassr is done, and there will likely be more dominoes to fall. Villa are now in the Tel sweepstakes. Something will possibly still happen with Boniface who now looks like he was a backup plan for Al Nassr if the Duran deal didn’t come together.
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Xavi Simons makes his loan deal to RB Leipzig permanent.
West Ham reportedly came back with an improved offer for Ricardo Pepi (around €32 million).
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Xavi Simons makes his loan deal to RB Leipzig permanent.
West Ham reportedly came back with an improved offer for Ricardo Pepi (around €32 million).
Morata is getting close to a move to Galatasaray as Santi Giménez is getting close to a move to AC Milan to replace him.
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Morata is another underrated striker by some in how he works hard for the team. He’s one of those players who makes others around him better. I think CP has benefitted from having Morata with him.
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Morata is another underrated striker by some in how he works hard for the team. He’s one of those players who makes others around him better. I think CP has benefitted from having Morata with him.
In a transfer that didn’t happen, Alex Baena turned down an offer from Saudi Arabia. He might be the top talent available in La Liga this summer (even if Nico Williams and Zubimendi are open to a transfer), so that’s good news for all interested clubs in Europe. It does seem like Saudi clubs are expected to splash some serious cash again during the summer transfer window.
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This player was not in the rumor mill whatsoever. Unheard of for Everton not to conduct its transfer business via endless trial balloons and leaks.
Orel Mangala and Armando Broja are both injured badly enough that Everton are talking to the loaner clubs re: terminating the loan. Mangala did his ACL vs Brighton and will not play again this season.
This player was not in the rumor mill whatsoever. Unheard of for Everton not to conduct its transfer business via endless trial balloons and leaks.
Orel Mangala and Armando Broja are both injured badly enough that Everton are talking to the loaner clubs re: terminating the loan. Mangala did his ACL vs Brighton and will not play again this season.