January 14 @ Nets

TripleOT

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Brad probably didn't want to bring AL back after he fossilized on the bench for over a hour.
 

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Well the last 6 minutes reminded me why I love the Boston Celtics. Still an 0-3 road trip at the end of the day though. Big test Wednesday.
 

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I'm going to the game Wednesday night. I expect playoff intensity and execution from the Celtics.
 

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So, I had to tape the game, because I wasn't going to be able to watch until late. When I finally was able to sit down, I saw the box score was 99-81, so I said screw it, and just tuned in live. That's when Jaylen dunked on the Nets roster. From there on, I saw a group of guys led by Brad Wanamaker, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, and Yabu fighting their asses off to try to make it a game, although I'm kind of curious why Al never came in and even more surprised that Brad didn't put Morris back in as they started making a run.

I'm glad I didn't have to watch a minute of Terry Rozier.

I'm going to ask my question that I've been asking since around Thanksgiving. Are we allowed to be concerned yet?
 

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So, I had to tape the game, because I wasn't going to be able to watch until late. When I finally was able to sit down, I saw the box score was 99-81, so I said screw it, and just tuned in live. That's when Jaylen dunked on the Nets roster. From there on, I saw a group of guys led by Brad Wanamaker, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, and Yabu fighting their asses off to try to make it a game, although I'm kind of curious why Al never came in and even more surprised that Brad didn't put Morris back in as they started making a run.

I'm glad I didn't have to watch a minute of Terry Rozier.

I'm going to ask my question that I've been asking since around Thanksgiving. Are we allowed to be concerned yet?
I was concerned in November.
 

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So, I had to tape the game, because I wasn't going to be able to watch until late. When I finally was able to sit down, I saw the box score was 99-81, so I said screw it, and just tuned in live. That's when Jaylen dunked on the Nets roster. From there on, I saw a group of guys led by Brad Wanamaker, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, and Yabu fighting their asses off to try to make it a game, although I'm kind of curious why Al never came in and even more surprised that Brad didn't put Morris back in as they started making a run.

I'm glad I didn't have to watch a minute of Terry Rozier.

I'm going to ask my question that I've been asking since around Thanksgiving. Are we allowed to be concerned yet?
I was glad that Brad stuck with the guys that brought them back in the game in this case. He's been criticized on this board a lot for always adhering to a set substitution pattern.

He went with the hot hands this time and mixed it up and while they came up short it was good to see Brad adapting the rotations a bit based on how things were going in the game.
 

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So, I had to tape the game, because I wasn't going to be able to watch until late. When I finally was able to sit down, I saw the box score was 99-81, so I said screw it, and just tuned in live. That's when Jaylen dunked on the Nets roster. From there on, I saw a group of guys led by Brad Wanamaker, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, and Yabu fighting their asses off to try to make it a game, although I'm kind of curious why Al never came in and even more surprised that Brad didn't put Morris back in as they started making a run.

I'm glad I didn't have to watch a minute of Terry Rozier.

I'm going to ask my question that I've been asking since around Thanksgiving. Are we allowed to be concerned yet?
You are allowed to be whatever you want to be. I am not bullish on this team's chances anymore. Whatever is happening, the whole is less than the sum of the team's parts.
 

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I was glad that Brad stuck with the guys that brought them back in the game in this case. He's been criticized on this board a lot for always adhering to a set substitution pattern.

He went with the hot hands this time and mixed it up and while they came up short it was good to see Brad adapting the rotations a bit based on how things were going in the game.
I agree, that's why I said I was "curious" and "surprised" he didn't bring Al and Morris back in. I probably should have phrased it as a question though, because I'm legitimately curious. Were they both playing poorly earlier too? Al just looked invisible in the box score, and Morris wasn't having a hot shooting night, but that doesn't usually stop Brad.

I'll say this, if two things don't happen immediately going forward, I'm going to lose some serious faith in Brad figuring this out. Jaylen needs a consistent 30 minutes a night right now, and Wanamaker needs to immediately steal all of Rozier's minutes (until they get healthy and you don't need Wanamaker to take any minutes and you don't need Rozier either).
 

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I'm just curious as to when the "oh they'll get it together by playoff time" crowd will throw in the towel.
 

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Haven’t watched the entire game but just looked at the box score...both Rozier and Hayward with terrible lines but both have played more minutes than Jaylen Brown. For those watching, can you me why?
both were terrible.

Hayward's development was forced this season, he's completely regressing. He's clearly slower then he was a month ago. They should have handled him with kid gloves and brought him along slowly.

Rozier is completely off the reservation and needs to be sent to the end of the bench, his agent can go F--- himself

I've been a huge Brad fan in the past, but frankly, he's done a terrible job this season.
 
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My buddy is saying Jaylen made some thinly-veiled comments in the locker room that alluded to the stuff that Kyrie said after last game. Anyone catch this?
 

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So given the fact that Hayward is clearly slower than he was a month ago, Rozier is off the reservation and Stevens has done a terrible job, now what?
 

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So given the fact that Hayward is clearly slower than he was a month ago, Rozier is off the reservation and Stevens has done a terrible job, now what?
Staple Rozier to the end of the bench. His minutes don't have to go to Wannamaker. Get Baynes back soon. Hayward may need a week off. Start dividing Al's minutes between the 4 and 5 which will stop them from getting killed on the boards like tonight.

Towel does not need to be thrown in. Huge talent on this team, plenty of time left for Brad to figure this out. But he'll need to make some hard decisions with rotations/minutes
 

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So given the fact that Hayward is clearly slower than he was a month ago, Rozier is off the reservation and Stevens has done a terrible job, now what?
Forgive me but its unclear what you are looking for here. I don't believe any posters here have any answers to the question you are asking.

Look, at this point, if you are following the Celtics in 2019, you have to accept that they are inconsistent and have underperformed expectations. There is no reason to expect it to change anytime soon. Either you can continue to watch and hope they figure it out or you can move on to another team or sport.

Calling out other posters because they didn't agree with you that they were in big trouble a month ago or at the start of the season (mea culpa here!) may feel good but I am not clear what it gets you. You were right. I know you are a big Celtics fan so I feel confident in saying you or others would prefer to be wrong in this instance.

I am with BMHH. They have time and the talent to sort this out. My confidence isn't high that they will but I will continue to watch them without resorting to the belief that all is lost.
 

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I know you are a big Celtics fan so I feel confident in saying you or others would prefer to be wrong in this instance..
Yes, I would very much preferred to have been wrong, about Hayward and about the team in general.

I'm not sure they have the "time and talent to sort this out" unless you are talking about the 2025 Celtics. I'd like to be wrong about that too.
 

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Yes, I would very much preferred to have been wrong, about Hayward and about the team in general.

I'm not sure they have the "time and talent to sort this out" unless you are talking about the 2025 Celtics. I'd like to be wrong about that too.
Ha. The Celtics will be in the Finals a few time between now and 2025. As bad as tonight was, Tatum continues to grow and Brown has shaken off his early-season confidence woes. Both those things are much, much more important than Terry Rozier's awful play. Gordon just needs to be brought along a little more carefully

Not sure you can gather anything from the 4th quarter, but it was the first time in a while Brad has gone with more than 1 bigger player, Yabu/Theis, on the floor at the same time. Brad just absolutely refuses to play 2 of TL, Al, Baynes, Theis, Yabu together. He is completely wedded to playing small ball ALL the time. Even though Horford had one of his best seasons ever last year playing the 4, along with Baynes at the 5.
 
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My eyes tell me they won't get close to the finals as presently constituted. Hope I'm wrong yet again. It's been 10 years since they won a title.
 

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And your point is? How about one title in the last 32 years with no title in sight going forward? Is this ownership group championship driven, as they profess to be?
Oh its a joke. I would argue that Wyc, Ainge and Stevens are committed to winning a championship again. Everything they have done has been geared towards being a top team. It hasn't worked but its not for lack of trying.
 

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My eyes tell me they won't get close to the finals as presently constituted. Hope I'm wrong yet again. It's been 10 years since they won a title.
As presently constituted, the team got to within one game of the Finals last year. What did your eyes tell you then?
 

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OK, that's fair, but does the 2019 version of Rozier look like a player who could get you close to a championship? That was then, this is now.

I guess my bias at this point is towards a major shakeup. I don't see the team as presently constituted (or close to it) as championship contenders. It's not a lack of talent, it's pieces that don't fit together. Call it a failed experiment.
 

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Forgive me but its unclear what you are looking for here. I don't believe any posters here have any answers to the question you are asking.

Look, at this point, if you are following the Celtics in 2019, you have to accept that they are inconsistent and have underperformed expectations. There is no reason to expect it to change anytime soon. Either you can continue to watch and hope they figure it out or you can move on to another team or sport.

Calling out other posters because they didn't agree with you that they were in big trouble a month ago or at the start of the season (mea culpa here!) may feel good but I am not clear what it gets you. You were right. I know you are a big Celtics fan so I feel confident in saying you or others would prefer to be wrong in this instance.

I am with BMHH. They have time and the talent to sort this out. My confidence isn't high that they will but I will continue to watch them without resorting to the belief that all is lost.
Why do you assume he's a Celtics fan? He only posts ultra negative opinions about them when they're at their lowest.
 

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LOL, yes, when they play badly I post negative opinions. When else would one post them?

I'm not getting any younger and I'm looking for at least one more championship before I die.