Jaguars fire Urban Meyer

[MuzzyField]

Correct. Page 375.

"Belichick was a quiet kingmaker in the NFL, a role he had earned and enjoyed. While Kraft at times treated Belichick like a management hurdle, other owners valued his word as gold. After Belichick suggested to Jacksonville Jaguars ownership that they should consider giving interim head coach Doug Marrone the full-time job in 2017, they hired him weeks later."

Thanks for the info. Also, Tom Coughlin was back at the Jaguars helm when this decision was made.

In other news here on the Frist Coast, Tom Pelissero was a guest on local Jax sports radio this afternoon to talk about his story. Jags fans certainly deserve a few more years of the Urban shit show and Shad Kahn is going to gift wrap it and shove it under their trees.

 

[Euclis20]

Agreed on Levy. In the current era Super Bowl losers have struggled mightily just to make it back to the playoffs. To get to the Super Bowl four straight years was amazing, no matter how the rest of the conference stacked up.

For comparison, there has been 26 super losing teams since the Bills last SB loss (not counting the Chiefs last year). Of that group, exactly half of the losers missed the playoffs the following year (and unless I missed someone, only the 2017/2018 Patriots made it back to the Super Bowl immediately after losing). What Levy did was an astonishing accomplishment.

 

[soxhop411]

Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan: Won't make hasty decision on Urban Meyer

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan said he will not make a hasty decision, nor will he be swayed by emotion, when it comes to coach Urban Meyer.

Khan obviously isn't happy with the Jaguars' 2-11 record in Meyer's first season, but he said Monday evening that he will do what he has done with every coach he has hired: Take a look at all the facts, speak with as many people as possible and then make a rational decision on what course of action, if any, he might take.

"I want to do the right thing for the team. I want to do the right thing for the city," Khan said. "That, to me, is way more important than just acting helter-skelter on emotion. I think we have a history of really looking at the facts and then really doing the right thing.

"Gus Bradley was here four years. Doug Marrone was here four years. It was wins and losses and this is a little bit different but, you know, I'm going to reflect on all of that and do what's the right thing for the team and the right thing for the city."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32863441/make-hasty-decision-urban-meyer
In what world is Shad Khan living in, where he thinks that firing Urban Meyer before the season is over a “hasty” decision? I mean is clear to everyone he is unifit and has almost lost the Locker room (if not lost it already)

also using this as why you won’t make a “hasty” decision is not making the point you think it is. As both coaches stayed as head coach longer than they should have given their W-L records

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"Gus Bradley was here four years. Doug Marrone was here four years. It was wins and losses and this is a little bit different but, you know, I'm going to reflect on all of that and do what's the right thing for the team and the right thing for the city."

 

[Van Everyman]

I dunno. I read that as Khan saying he’s not just going to make a knee jerk decision and will be diligent about the review process, which is fine. I mean, if he’s going to talk to people about Meyer, who exactly is going ti defend him at this point – his “loser” assistant coaches?

 

[cornwalls@6]

If he is fired, I wonder if a major college job is even a fall-back for him anymore. As was mentioned up-thread, the landscape of CFB has had a sea change in the last couple of years with NIL and the transfer portal. Players finally have the kind of empowerment that a martinet like him would probably struggle with. Combine that with the considerable(and completely deserved) hit his professional and personal reputation has taken this year, and his age and history of health issues, were I an AD at one of the true power programs, I’d be wary of making a big financial commitment to him. He’d probably get an offer to do TV, but if this turns out to be his last big job, what a rapid and dramatic fall from the heights.

 

[sodenj5]

It feels like Urban is playing a game of chicken with Khan. If Urban quits, he leaves like 50 million dollars on the table and leaves the NFL with his tail between his legs after one season. He’s willing to ride it out.

Khan doesn’t want to look bad, admit he was wrong, and pay 50 million to make Urban disappear. The longer he allows this to continue, the greater the likelihood is that they actually do ruin Trevor Lawrence.

They have to bite the bullet and get rid of Urban. Nothing matters beyond the development of Lawrence. Go back to the drawing board, hire another coach, (maybe Kellen Moore?) and build everything you do around 16.

 

[DJnVa]

Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan: Won't make hasty decision on Urban Meyer

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32863441/make-hasty-decision-urban-meyer
In what world is Shad Khan living in, where he thinks that firing Urban Meyer before the season is over a “hasty” decision? I mean is clear to everyone he is unifit and has almost lost the Locker room (if not lost it already)

also using this as why you won’t make a “hasty” decision is not making the point you think it is. As both coaches stayed as head coach longer than they should have given their W-L records

Hey Shad---it's not a hasty decision. You have all the evidence you need that this isn't working.

 

[Was (Not Wasdin)]

If Meyer gets fired at the end of the year, Kahn owes him something like $50 million. Say Meyer sits out a year and comes back in 2023 as the head coach of Georgia at $10 million per, after they fire Smart because they are tired of losing to Alabama. Would Kahn still owe him the remaining money, or would there be an offset for whatever he gets paid from Georgia?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

For comparison, there has been 26 super losing teams since the Bills last SB loss (not counting the Chiefs last year). Of that group, exactly half of the losers missed the playoffs the following year (and unless I missed someone, only the 2017/2018 Patriots made it back to the Super Bowl immediately after losing). What Levy did was an astonishing accomplishment.

Look at the start Kansas City had this year as well. The SB loser phenomenon the following year doesn’t take prisoners. The Chiefs have clearly righted the ship but those seas were stormy in October.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Hey Shad---it's not a hasty decision. You have all the evidence you need that this isn't working.

Best part is his "we have a history at looking at all of the facts and not making a hasty decision" horseshit. Hey pal, your historical decision-making sucks (at football anyway). You looked at all of the facts and hired this asshole. Maybe try something different.

 

[BaseballJones]

Look at the start Kansas City had this year as well. The SB loser phenomenon the following year doesn’t take prisoners. The Chiefs have clearly righted the ship but those seas were stormy in October.

FWIW, here's BB's record the year after losing a Super Bowl:

2007 season: Lost the SB.
2008 season: Brady gets hurt right out of the gate, misses entire season. Pats go 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB. Misses playoffs due to third tier tiebreaker.

2011 season: Lost the SB.
2012 season: Went 12-4 and advanced to the AFCCG. Key player Talib gets hurt and Ridley gets knocked unconscious.

2017 season: Lost the SB.
2018 season: Went 11-5, knocked off Mahomes and KC in the AFCCG, then beat the Rams in the Super Bowl.

So in these three instances, the Pats responded with no fewer than 11 wins the next year, twice went to the NFL's final four, once won the whole thing, and the only "bad" year of the group was when Brady missed the entire season and they still managed 11 wins.

Bill F-ing Belichick, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[bagwell1]

As a NE transplant to Jax that has had a front row seat for the entire Khan Debacle, I would say his arrogance and subsequent arrogance of the entire organization has truly been stunning considering the embarrassing record that has been achieved. I specifically used the word achieved because the record is impressive considering his purchase was right before the changes to the CBA that changed the rookie scale and allowed cap rollover. Huge benefits that were squandered along with unmatched draft position.

Even in his latest interview he says they have a history of "looking at the facts and then doing the really right thing". I mean, they don't just do the right thing....they do the "really right" thing under his watch. And, as usual, he has his PR puppet...err President Mark Lamping present to talk about how great Khan is. They used to do this annual "State of the Jags" press conference which was filled with such garbage it was amazing. Even had PowerPoint presentations! And the local Media would just swoon. I think the swooning years may be over.

The Urban Meyer situation will be fascinating since the owner and organization has been loathe to admit mistakes(aka brilliant decisions that just didn't work out )previously and even doubled down on them making the situations worse. But the Jags have usually been pretty much ignored nationally. Meyer is drawing quite a bit of attention so if Khan is feeling his own reputation is actually taking a hit, it could force his hand.

I had pretty much stopped bothering follow the Jags closely. However, UrbanGate has been too entertaining to ignore. Sadly, ego-wise, he should be the perfect Jag.

 

[DJnVa]

I'm neutral on the Jags as a franchise in general, but Lawrence seems like he could be a special talent. I'd like to see that.

I hope they make a move soon.

 

[BaseballJones]

Just to compare the Pats' post-SB-loss results to other teams during the BB era...

2000 - Giants lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2001
2001 - Rams lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2002
2002 - Raiders lose SB; go 4-12 and miss the playoffs in 2003
2003 - Panthers lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2004
2004 - Eagles lose SB; go 6-10 and miss the playoffs in 2005
2005 - Seahawks lose SB; go 9-7 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2006
2006 - Bears lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2007
2007 - Pats lose SB; go 11-5 and miss the playoffs in 2008
2008 - Cardinals lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2009
2009 - Colts lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFC divisional round in 2010
2010 - Steelers lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFC divisional round in 2011
2011 - Pats lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFCCG in 2012
2012 - 49ers lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFCCG in 2013
2013 - Broncos lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFC divisional round in 2014
2014 - Seahawks lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2015
2015 - Panthers lose SB; go 6-10 and miss the playoffs in 2016
2016 - Falcons lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2017
2017 - Pats lose SB; go 11-5 and win the Super Bowl in 2018
2018 - Rams lose SB; go 9-7 and miss the playoffs in 2019
2019 - 49ers lose SB; go 6-10 and miss the playoffs in 2020

So in these 20 years, Super Bowl losing teams:

- Miss the playoffs entirely the following season 10 times (50.0%) - The Pats only 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Make the playoffs and lose prior to getting to the conference championship the following year 7 times (35.0%)
- Make the playoffs and lose in the conference championship the following year 2 times (10.0%) - The Pats 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl the following year 1 time (5.0%) - The Pats 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Have a losing record the following year 8 times (40.0%) - The Pats 0 of 3 (0.0%)
- Have fewer than 10 wins the following year 10 times (50.0%) - The Pats 0 of 3 (0.0%)
- Have 11 or more wins the following year 6 times (30.0%) - The Pats 3 of 3 (100.0%)
- Have 12 or more wins the following year 4 times (20.0%) - The Pats 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Have an average record the following year of 8.5-7.5 (.529) - The Pats' average record 11.3-4.7 (.706)

The Patriots' post-SB-loss record is remarkable compared to the rest of the NFL.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Just to compare the Pats' post-SB-loss results to other teams during the BB era...

There's no doubt that Alabama has an advantage over most competitors but that has always been true for whoever is on top in college football at any given time.

C'mon guys ... we just had the Meyer mess broken out of another thread. If you want to discuss either of these topics, please start a new thread.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Just to compare the Pats' post-SB-loss results to other teams during the BB era...

2000 - Giants lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2001
2001 - Rams lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2002
2002 - Raiders lose SB; go 4-12 and miss the playoffs in 2003
2003 - Panthers lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2004
2004 - Eagles lose SB; go 6-10 and miss the playoffs in 2005
2005 - Seahawks lose SB; go 9-7 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2006
2006 - Bears lose SB; go 7-9 and miss the playoffs in 2007
2007 - Pats lose SB; go 11-5 and miss the playoffs in 2008
2008 - Cardinals lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2009
2009 - Colts lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFC divisional round in 2010
2010 - Steelers lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFC divisional round in 2011
2011 - Pats lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFCCG in 2012
2012 - 49ers lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFCCG in 2013
2013 - Broncos lose SB; go 12-4 and make the playoffs, losing in the AFC divisional round in 2014
2014 - Seahawks lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2015
2015 - Panthers lose SB; go 6-10 and miss the playoffs in 2016
2016 - Falcons lose SB; go 10-6 and make the playoffs, losing in the NFC divisional round in 2017
2017 - Pats lose SB; go 11-5 and win the Super Bowl in 2018
2018 - Rams lose SB; go 9-7 and miss the playoffs in 2019
2019 - 49ers lose SB; go 6-10 and miss the playoffs in 2020

So in these 20 years, Super Bowl losing teams:

- Miss the playoffs entirely the following season 10 times (50.0%) - The Pats only 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Make the playoffs and lose prior to getting to the conference championship the following year 7 times (35.0%)
- Make the playoffs and lose in the conference championship the following year 2 times (10.0%) - The Pats 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl the following year 1 time (5.0%) - The Pats 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Have a losing record the following year 8 times (40.0%) - The Pats 0 of 3 (0.0%)
- Have fewer than 10 wins the following year 10 times (50.0%) - The Pats 0 of 3 (0.0%)
- Have 11 or more wins the following year 6 times (30.0%) - The Pats 3 of 3 (100.0%)
- Have 12 or more wins the following year 4 times (20.0%) - The Pats 1 of 3 (33.3%)
- Have an average record the following year of 8.5-7.5 (.529) - The Pats' average record 11.3-4.7 (.706)

The Patriots' post-SB-loss record is remarkable compared to the rest of the NFL.

This is truly remarkabill.

So now that we’ve had two seasons to assess the “Who was responsible for our SB’s, Brady or Belichick?” question it appears the answer is a quite simple, “Both!”

In this day of debating who is the GOAT in their respective sport we not only have one but TWO pretty much unanimous ones, even from fans of other teams, who were working together for two decades. What a time to be a Patriots fan!

 

[BaseballJones]

C'mon guys ... we just had the Meyer mess broken out of another thread. If you want to discuss either of these topics, please start a new thread.

Sorry. To bring it back to Meyer...

He's no Bill Belichick.

 

[mauf]

Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan: Won't make hasty decision on Urban Meyer

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32863441/make-hasty-decision-urban-meyer
In what world is Shad Khan living in, where he thinks that firing Urban Meyer before the season is over a “hasty” decision? I mean is clear to everyone he is unifit and has almost lost the Locker room (if not lost it already)

also using this as why you won’t make a “hasty” decision is not making the point you think it is. As both coaches stayed as head coach longer than they should have given their W-L records

I read this news differently than most of you. When an owner declines to give his coach a vote of confidence this late in the season, the coach normally is gone at season’s end. Khan stuck with Gus Bradley at least a year too long, but I’m optimistic he’ll do the right thing this time.

The larger concern is Khan’s judgment. How did he fail to see that Tom Coughlin would be toxic? And after that, how did he so utterly fail to learn the lessons from his mistake that he hired Urban Meyer? I think Khan is savvy enough to know that Meyer must go; he just wants to let the situation percolate for a few weeks in case something happens that will save him 50 million bucks. Unfortunately, I don’t have any confidence that Khan’s next hire will be a good one.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Not sure why/what Saban did to deserve the shade. He has been incredibly innovative on defense whether it is how to defend RPOs or his innovations in secondary coverage schemes. Yes a lot of his success is due to recruiting and playing against less stacked rosters but he's been an innovator for decades now. Belichick talks to him about how to defend against concepts to this day and many of those concepts are coming from college. The NFL is the one that is slower to change and integrate new concepts. College is the innovation lab of football. Yeah the NFL is bigger, faster, and more complex than college but Saban doesn't deserve anyone questioning his coaching credentials. He's also great at game planning and taking away things offenses do well. He saw pretty quickly that he didn't have the right QB to make it work in the NFL and bailed. He knew he could have success on his own in college whereas in the NFL if you don't have the right QB it is really hard to win. He took a more self-determined path and crushed it. Also, @Brand Name can talk more about this but there are a lot of overlaps with the Bama defense and the Patriots. He didn't make it work in the NFL but he deserves the accolades he gets and he is an amazing coach. Plus, and this is the cherry on top, if Belichick thinks he's one of the greatest I'm going to go ahead and trust in his judgement.

I'll get off my pedestal about Saban (and I am a UGA and SMU fan so I didn't want to have to do that...) and discuss Meyer.

Lombardi has 4 principles of leadership:
1) Management of attention: do you have a plan?
2) Management of meaning: can you explain and communicate that plan?
3) Management of trust: do players trust you to be consistent? Do they trust you period?
4) Management of self: can you self-evaluate and be self-critical?

It's pretty easy seeing how Belichick embodies all 4 of those principles. But what about Meyer?

1) He had a plan in that he wanted an offense built around team speed. It wasn't a good plan and he went with guys like Travis ETN instead of a functional wide receiver but that's on him. I don't think it was a good plan or a well thought out plan but he had one... I think.
2) Well considering his WRs still can't figure out their assignments and he is throwing all of his assistant coaches under the bus I am going to say he failed to explain and communicate that plan.
3) Do I even have to explain why he's lost the trust of his locker room and players are calling him out for being unfair? I hope not.
4) Meyer has shown some ability to self-evaluate with his decision to step back from the game and with X's and O's but not when it comes to his handling of relationships. I don't think he has behaved in a competent way so far this season and hasn't learned from his mistakes in the NFL so far.

So I'd give him partial credit on 1 and 4 but a 0 for 2 and 3. Lombardi believes you need 3/4 to succeed and 2/4 to have at least short term success. Meyer is 1/4 or 2/4 depending on how generous you want to be to him and if you argued he had none of those traits I wouldn't fight you about it. He doesn't show the qualities you need to be a successful head coach in the NFL.

Last note but... what is hb?

 

[Don Buddin's GS]

The Ringer chronicles the ineptitude of Urban Meyer as an NFL head coach:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/15/22836922/urban-meyer-nfl-jaguars-failed-experiment

 

[soxhop411]

This type of stuff is going to continue to leak until the Jag's or NFL do something

Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups

Josh Lambo was off to a slow start. The Jaguars All-Pro missed a field-goal attempt in each of the first two preseason games.

But the fourth-most accurate place-kicker in NFL history wasn’t worried as he stretched with teammates at practice the week of the final exhibition game against the Cowboys in August.

Then Lambo was approached by head coach Urban Meyer, who doesn’t call Jaguars specialists by their names.

“It was ‘Kicker, Punter, Long snapper,’” Lambo said. “Or S--tbag, Dips--t or whatever the hell it was.”

The names didn’t bother Lambo, but what the former Florida Gators coach did next, Lambo said, were the actions of a mean-spirited bully.

“I’m in a lunge position. Left leg forward, right leg back,” Lambo said. “... Urban Meyer, while I’m in that stretch position, comes up to me and says, ‘Hey Dips--t, make your f--king kicks!’ And kicks me in the leg.”

“It certainly wasn’t as hard as he could’ve done it, but it certainly wasn’t a love tap,” Lambo said. “Truthfully, I’d register it as a five (out of 10). Which in the workplace, I don’t care if it’s football or not, the boss can’t strike an employee. And for a second, I couldn’t believe it actually happened. Pardon my vulgarity, I said, ‘Don’t you ever f--king kick me again!’ And his response was, ‘I’m the head ball coach, I’ll kick you whenever the f--k I want.’”

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/12/15/former-jaguars-kicker-josh-lambo-says-he-was-kicked-by-urban-meyer-during-pregame-warmups/


this is reminding me of the disaster that was the BV managed Sox team

 

[FredJones]

Maybe Shad is just waiting for Urban to do something to allow him to fire Urban for cause.

 

[MuzzyField]

Maybe Shad is just waiting for Urban to do something to allow him to fire Urban for cause.

I would think lying about the extent of his Ohio Dance Party is a good start on the road to cause, but I know it isn't.

He initially told Shad, his staff, and the rest of the organization the same BS he then shared with the media at his Monday press conference about nothing inappropriate happening and he just needed to react more quickly to the "situation" and leave and go home.

Before Urban was back in his office, the second "hand puppet" video dropped.

Thankfully, his easy to follow (for me it starts with his arrival at Florida) off the field shortcomings are counterbalanced by his superior coaching talent and winning percentage.

Oops, just not at the NFL level.

 

[DJnVa]

This type of stuff is going to continue to leak until the Jag's or NFL do something

Former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo says he was kicked by Urban Meyer during warmups





https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/12/15/former-jaguars-kicker-josh-lambo-says-he-was-kicked-by-urban-meyer-during-pregame-warmups/


this is reminding me of the disaster that was the BV managed Sox team

View: https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1471253116360310784

 

[nattysez]

The NFL created a rule this off-season that allows teams to interview assistants for head coaching jobs during the last 2 weeks of the season as long as they get permission from the assistant's current team and the current HC has been told he won't be retained. The Jags would be foolish not to flush Urban so that they can start interviewing ASAP.

 

[Marciano490]

The NFL created a rule this off-season that allows teams to interview assistants for head coaching jobs during the last 2 weeks of the season as long as they get permission from the assistant's current team and the current HC has been told he won't be retained. The Jags would be foolish not to flush Urban so that they can start interviewing ASAP.

They’re probably also between the Skylla of not wanting to pay and the Kharybdis of not wanting the reputational harm of being sued by a former coach when their organization already has a poor rep for bad management and high turnover.

 

[soxhop411]

View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1471353253539495938

now the interesting part begins. Who is going to take the job and does Urban Meyer go scorched earth like Gruden? IMO Urban has blown his chance to coach a football team again. Why would any owner (or college) trust this man to coach a team after the way he treated his players on a professional football team
Shad Khan out with a statement
View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1471355689788489732?s=20

 

[Ale Xander]

Better late than never.

Khan had no choice. Not anymore. Hope Trevor gets someone capable and not an a-hole.

 

[Marciano490]

They’re probably also between the Skylla of not wanting to pay and the Kharybdis of not wanting the reputational harm of being sued by a former coach when their organization already has a poor rep for bad management and high turnover.

Awesome timing you sagaciously oracular bastard.

 

[Brand Name]

From firsthand experience, Josh Lambo would say he got the boot.

Shame this happened before the Pats game. The next guy has to be interim, right? Seems like it will be a more heavy than usual coaching turnover season. Bevell remains awful as he was in Seattle and Detroit although he did this job last year after the Patricia sacking. My absolute guess is maybe they’d go Joe Cullen for now? They really lack people with HC experience at any level for the short game. A total of 5 NFL games between their staff.

 

[Ale Xander]

From firsthand experience, Josh Lambo would say he got the boot.

Shame this happened before the Pats game. The next guy has to be interim, right? Seems like it will be a more heavy than usual coaching turnover season. Bevell remains awful as he was in Seattle, so maybe they’d go Joe Cullen? They really lack people with HC experience at any level for the short game.

Pretty certain it'll be Strong for the remainder (he's AHC already and has HC experience, albeit unsuccessful, at a crazy for football P5 school) and then he's gone at the end of the season, too.

Unless he's gone now too, as a loyalist, or just resigns.

And it's Bevell

 

[E5 Yaz]

Lock the thread

p.s. I'm saying to do that because Meyer has been fired and a new thread has been started, rendering this thread no longer operative.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Bevell for interim:

View: https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1471355689788489732?s=21

 

[E5 Yaz]

Wow, Shad lowered the boom!

"...regaining our trust and respect was essential. Regrettably it did not happen."

Damn

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Teams can ask permission to talk to coaches after Week 16.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

That makes his tenure the 4th shortest in NFL history*. He ties Lou Holtz, who was let go after going 3-11 with the Jets:

https://www.nfl.com/photos/shortest-tenured-nfl-coaches-0ap1000000092526#3924a78b-b1e8-4541-bd00-4526adc45d7e

What a mess of a situation. Although some rumors had his job as safe for this year, Tom Pelissero's stunning report pretty much spelled the end for Meyer:

https://www.nfl.com/news/tension-boiling-over-between-coach-urban-meyer-jaguars-players-staff

Rodney Harrison also had his say just a few days ago:

View: https://youtu.be/KpWPPGn6Ejg


* BB still proudly holds the record at 1 glorious day.

 

[SMU_Sox]

I’m so relieved. I want to see Trevor Lawrence have a chance to succeed and getting rid of Meyer was a great first step. Now Khan has to put together a competent front office, HC, and coaching staff. His track record so far is pretty abysmal but maybe he learns from his collective past mistakes. I know Josh McDaniels and Louis Riddick sound good on paper for this team but would they want to work with Khan? And this might not be the most popular name out there but I think Doug Pederson is worth a look. He had success developing Wentz.

 

[Cellar-Door]

now the interesting part begins. Who is going to take the job and does Urban Meyer go scorched earth like Gruden? IMO Urban has blown his chance to coach a football team again. Why would any owner (or college) trust this man to coach a team after the way he treated his players on a professional football team

Treating your players like absolute shit isn't really seen as a negative in college, it's kinda what the whole system is built on.

 

[MuzzyField]

View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1471353253539495938

now the interesting part begins. Who is going to take the job and does Urban Meyer go scorched earth like Gruden? IMO Urban has blown his chance to coach a football team again. Why would any owner (or college) trust this man to coach a team after the way he treated his players on a professional football team
Shad Khan out with a statement
View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1471355689788489732?s=20

What earth is left for Urban to scorch that he hasn’t already set fire to himself?

 

[nattysez]

Seems like it will be a more heavy than usual coaching turnover season.

I disagree. What jobs do you see opening up other than Raiders, Jags and Bears? Maybe Seattle and Minny? I think it might be a quiet coaching carousel this year.

 

[Jimbodandy]

I’m so relieved. I want to see Trevor Lawrence have a chance to succeed and getting rid of Meyer was a great first step.

This. I still think that Lawrence can be a generational talent in the right situation. The skills are off the charts. No way that he climbs out of that cesspool with Meyer there though. This is good.

Khan has made a lot of crappy football decisions in the last few years. This was not one of them. The next person in the headset is a step up, and I hope that we get to enjoy some Lawrence over the next few years.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I’m so relieved. I want to see Trevor Lawrence have a chance to succeed and getting rid of Meyer was a great first step. Now Khan has to put together a competent front office, HC, and coaching staff. His track record so far is pretty abysmal but maybe he learns from his collective past mistakes. I know Josh McDaniels and Louis Riddick sound good on paper for this team but would they want to work with Khan? And this might not be the most popular name out there but I think Doug Pederson is worth a look. He had success developing Wentz.

Pederson is a good one, Byron Leftwich is another, though I think he ends up in CHI. Brian Daboll is another name to consider, Josh Allen's development has been impressive.

 

[findguapo]

Wow, Shad lowered the boom!

"...regaining our trust and respect was essential. Regrettably it did not happen."

Damn

Seems to me like he added some lawyer speak in there to justify a firing for cause - saying Meyer had to earn his trust back after doing something bad, but it didn't happen. Now he can go back to Meyer's bar pics and use that as causation for the firing.

 

[nattysez]

Pederson is a good one, Byron Leftwich is another.

My first choices would be Bienemy and Josh McD - guys who have shown they can develop QBs.

Baalke is a pretty meh GM, so I'd replace him while I'm at it.

View: https://twitter.com/BASportsGuy/status/1471356799403970560?t=S6aEkXM6fJLITH_xFHbk5w&s=19

Seems to me like he added some lawyer speak in there to justify a firing for cause - saying Meyer had to earn his trust back after doing something bad, but it didn't happen. Now he can go back to Meyer's bar pics and use that as causation for the firing.

100%. Urban's going to have to go to court to get his money.

 

[RG33]

So great to see Meyer exposed for the classless piece of shit, phony, arrogant prick that he has always been. I hope the Jags get to keep some of the money owed to him.

Like others, I would love to see Lawrence get a competent HC and see what the kid can do. I would hope it is not McDaniels though. . . .

 

[twoBshorty]

After reading that article about Meyer kicking Josh Lambo, I can only imagine the kind of verbal and physical abuse he must have subjected powerless Ohio State players to, or what other stories are going to come out in the next 72 hours. What a monstrous turd.

 

[Sille Skrub]

View: https://twitter.com/espnstatsinfo/status/1471362364385771520?s=21


A spectacular fall from grace. I didn’t realize he’s the first coach in 14 years not to complete his first season.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I didn’t realize he’s the first coach in 14 years not to complete his first season.

George Allen was fired two games into preseason

https://www.nfl.com/photos/shortest-tenured-nfl-coaches-0ap1000000092526#8f411eb6-f497-42c1-a2f9-dc54e6d6f8bc

 

[soxhop411]

I wonder if this is what caused Khan to fire him.

View: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1471359465597247491?s=20

There were Jags coaches talking about a mass exodus/walk out after the season. Several already secretly (and some not) already had other jobs lined up.

View: https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1471367918239850502?s=20

League source: 'Urban (Meyer) alienated all three levels of building: players, coaches, personnel. He told coaches every week he was going to fire their a--.' And now Meyer is fired instead.

Former Jaguars coach Urban Meyer told Jaguars coaching staff, per league source: 'I had a better coaching staff at Bowling Green. You guys are f---ng terrible.'

View: https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1471368142127616006?s=20

League source: 'Urban (Meyer) threatened to fire the coaching staff every week, created atmosphere of fear and distrust.'

View: https://twitter.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/1471368605895962624?s=21


who would have thought at the start of the season that the jaguars would be a more dysfunctional franchise than the Texans or the Jets?
Like this is insane and I assume more of these types of horror stories are coming over the next day

edit: how long until ESPN has a 30 for 30 on this disastrous hire in Jax?

 

[SMU_Sox]

I disagree. What jobs do you see opening up other than Raiders, Jags and Bears? Maybe Seattle and Minny? I think it might be a quiet coaching carousel this year.

Those 5 + Carolina with Matt Rhule, Houston, maybe Denver, and possibly NYG. Might be up to 8 spots open. If SF somehow fails to make the playoffs I’d add them to the list so 8-9 potential spots could open up. I couldn’t tell you off the top of my head what the average turnover rates are but you could see 1/4 of the spots turned over. Some of those would likely see a change in GMs/front-offices too.