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The bidding war is on for MIKE MCCARTHY!
Tom Brady had some really glowing things to say about McCarthy on one of Tom’s broadcast games. Maybe Tom’s mom told him if you can’t say anything nice about somebody, don’t say anything at all. I don’t know. Anyway, had me shaking my head, but, in Tom I trust. Just no McCarthy to the Patriots, please.
 

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Holding 0 playoff wins against a coach after 3 seasons, 2 of which he didn’t have his starting QB for significant games and the other in which he got dusted by the eventual SB champs feels like definition of small sample size noise to me. They had a legit shot to win the Buffalo game before the defense blew it - I can’t fault him for his handling of Thompson.

They continue to trend downward in 2025, sure, think about heating up the seat, but thus far what he’s done to build an offense around a good but not exceptional QB is a far bigger feather in his cap than two playoff losses is a negative imo.
I think the bigger issue for McDaniel is his record against good teams and his record on the road.

As of a few weeks ago, he was 3-13 against teams with a .500 or better record when they played them and 23-9 against teams below .500. By my count, he is 10-18 on the road the last 3 years.

Neither of those things scream “good coach” to me considering the talent level on those rosters. I hope Miami keeps him for a decade.
 

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Tom Brady had some really glowing things to say about McCarthy on one of Tom’s broadcast games. Maybe Tom’s mom told him if you can’t say anything nice about somebody, don’t say anything at all. I don’t know. Anyway, had me shaking my head, but, in Tom I trust. Just no McCarthy to the Patriots, please.
The Mike McCarthy stuff is dumb, he's a good NFL coach, his resume is good. People spent years blaming him for the failures of that GB team which was..... mostly not fair? He's one of the 20 best coaches in the league and he's succeeded in multiple places which not a lot of guys can say.
 

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The Mike McCarthy stuff is dumb, he's a good NFL coach, his resume is good. People spent years blaming him for the failures of that GB team which was..... mostly not fair? He's one of the 20 best coaches in the league and he's succeeded in multiple places which not a lot of guys can say.
Agree. Guy is a total pro. Many teams would be lucky to have him. People don't think a team like Atlanta would be better off with him over Morris? Tampa over Bowles? Indy? Cincy? He's a guy who should do well anywhere, even a place like the NYJ, although he seems like a nice guy and I wouldn't wish that upon him. Brady should bring him to LV.
 

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Here's a fever-dream scenario: McCarthy leaves Dallas, Jerry makes BB an offer he can't refuse, BB exercises his opt-out and Steve becomes the UNC HC.
 

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Here's a fever-dream scenario: McCarthy leaves Dallas, Jerry makes BB an offer he can't refuse, BB exercises his opt-out and Steve becomes the UNC HC.
Can BB opt out already? What are the terms? I don't think that will happen but there are certainly jobs this cycle that he should/could get if he was on the market.
 

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Here's a fever-dream scenario: McCarthy leaves Dallas, Jerry makes BB an offer he can't refuse, BB exercises his opt-out and Steve becomes the UNC HC.
First, I believe there is a $10mm buyout if BB leaves before June 1, 2025 ($1mm afterwards). Second, Bill is guaranteed $30mm if he stays, plus money for his coaching staff. Third, if Bill leaves under the scenario you laid out, why would UNC reward Steve Belichick with the job, interim or not?
 
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I think the bigger issue for McDaniel is his record against good teams and his record on the road.

As of a few weeks ago, he was 3-13 against teams with a .500 or better record when they played them and 23-9 against teams below .500. By my count, he is 10-18 on the road the last 3 years.

Neither of those things scream “good coach” to me considering the talent level on those rosters. I hope Miami keeps him for a decade.
yeah I don’t think there’s any evidence McDaniel is a good coach as much as he is another in the long line of smart offensive minds who can thrive when he has lots of great pieces with which to work

I think he’d be unemployed by now if he didn’t have a good (sometimes very good) QB and an awesome pair of WR. Put him with the Pats, Cleveland or Carolina and he’s probably just another failed offensive coach.
 

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First, I believe there is a $10mm buyout if BB leaves before June 1, 2025 ($1mm afterwards). Second, Bill is guaranteed $30mm if he stays, plus money for his coaching staff. Third, if Bill leaves under the scenario you laid out, why would UNC reward Steve Belichick with the job, interim or not?
Applying logic to something described as a fever dream is mostly a fool's errand, but I'll bite:

(1) Which JJ will gladly pay in my scenario.
(2) Which JJ will gladly pay in my scenario.
(3) Too late to find someone else if JJ and BB take their time.
 

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DaMarcus Covington is interviewing for the Bengals DC job just announced on 98.5. Seems like a major downgrade from what the Bengals just fired.
 

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DaMarcus Covington is interviewing for the Bengals DC job just announced on 98.5. Seems like a major downgrade from what the Bengals just fired.
No way you can look at his body of work this year and think he's your guy. He's a good up and coming coach, but also likely got promoted too early. (But maybe I'm wrong...)
 

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No way you can look at his body of work this year and think he's your guy. He's a good up and coming coach, but also likely got promoted too early. (But maybe I'm wrong...)
mentioned it in the Bengals thread but.... that job SUUUUCKS, the talent is bad, and the investment is likely to be nearly nothing, and it sounds like they plan to re-sign Higgins, so zero money left to re-buid on D.
 
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No way you can look at his body of work this year and think he's your guy. He's a good up and coming coach, but also likely got promoted too early. (But maybe I'm wrong...)
why is it assumed he’s a “good up and coming coach”? Because he was given a DC job by his buddy Mayo?
 

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Seriously. Zero evidence other than BB hired him once upon a time. Which doesn’t mean much, if anything.
He had a good rep for his work with the Patriots, people around the league think he's an up and come, got the Senior Bowl invite, and some DC interviews (notably Cardinals who likely really wanted to offer him something like LB coach) he definitely has a good rep in the league. But I doubt anyone planned to make him a DC for real.

Will say, this (like the Arizona interview) is likely more about Rooney rule compliance and feeling him out about a sub-DC position coach spot, than a real DC opportunity.
 

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He had a good rep for his work with the Patriots, people around the league think he's an up and come, got the Senior Bowl invite, and some DC interviews (notably Cardinals who likely really wanted to offer him something like LB coach) he definitely has a good rep in the league. But I doubt anyone planned to make him a DC for real.

Will say, this (like the Arizona interview) is likely more about Rooney rule compliance and feeling him out about a sub-DC position coach spot, than a real DC opportunity.
As you said before, the Bengals situation is a mess. After clearing out staff, any coach interviewing has to wonder whether Taylor is in a one-year window ... which could mean they'd be looking for jobs again next offseason
 

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He had a good rep for his work with the Patriots, people around the league think he's an up and come, got the Senior Bowl invite, and some DC interviews (notably Cardinals who likely really wanted to offer him something like LB coach) he definitely has a good rep in the league. But I doubt anyone planned to make him a DC for real.

Will say, this (like the Arizona interview) is likely more about Rooney rule compliance and feeling him out about a sub-DC position coach spot, than a real DC opportunity.
Unfortunately I think that is it. Also just reviewed some of the weirdness of the rule and how it extends to QB coach. I get it, but damn does the NFL like to make things complicated:

https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/inclusion/the-rooney-rule/
 

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Yahoo Sports does a wrap-up of which teams are interviewing (or planning to) which candidates so far

JETS
  • Aaron Glenn, Detroit Lions defensive coordinator
  • Matt Nagy, Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator and former Bears head coach
  • Brian Flores, Vikings defensive coordinator and former Miami Dolphins head coach
  • Josh McCown, Vikings QB coach
  • Arthur Smith, Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator and former Atlanta Falcons head coach
  • Mike Vrabel, former Tennessee Titans head coach
  • Ron Rivera, former Carolina Panthers and Washington Commanders head coach
  • Rex Ryan, former Jets and Buffalo Bills head coach
  • Brian Griese, San Francisco 49ers QB coach
  • Vance Joseph, Denver Broncos defensive coordinator
  • Bobby Slowik, Houston Texans offensive coordinator
  • Joe Brady, Bills offensive coordinator
  • Jeff Ulbrich, Jets interim head coach

BEARS
  • Aaron Glenn
  • Mike Vrabel
  • Brian Flores
  • Arthur Smith
  • Ben Johnson, Lions offensive coordinator
  • Mike McCarthy, current Dallas Cowboys head coach
  • Thomas Brown, Bears interim head coach
  • Anthony Weaver, Dolphins defensive coordinator
  • Mike Kafka, New York Giants offensive coordinator
  • Drew Petzing, Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator
  • Todd Monken, Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator
  • David Shaw, Broncos senior personnel executive and former Stanford head coach

JAGUARS
  • Aaron Glenn
  • Ben Johnson
  • Joe Brady
  • Todd Monken
  • Robert Saleh, former Jets head coach and current Green Bay Packers offensive consultant
  • Kellen Moore, Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator
  • Liam Cohen, Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator
  • Patrick Graham, Las Vegas Raiders defensive coordinator

SAINTS
  • Aaron Glenn
  • Mike Vrabel
  • Joe Brady
  • Mike Kafka
  • Anthony Weaver
  • Kellen Moore
  • David Shaw

PATRIOTS
  • Mike Vrabel
  • Ben Johnson
  • Pep Hamilton
  • Byron Leftwich
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-coaching-requests-hires-full-list-of-teams-and-names-being-pursued-173222847.html
 

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Lol, I know it's early but everyone else is interviewing 8-10 guys, Patriots.... Vrabel, 2 Rooney rule candidates they could get in with 12 hours notice, and then Ben Johnson.
Maybe Johnson is a real consideration, but sure seems like they aren't running a full search. (Most notable reason I think that, why pull in Pep instead of interviewing guys like Glenn who are real HC candidates league-wide?)
 

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Lol, I know it's early but everyone else is interviewing 8-10 guys, Patriots.... Vrabel, 2 Rooney rule candidates they could get in with 12 hours notice, and then Ben Johnson.
Maybe Johnson is a real consideration, but sure seems like they aren't running a full search. (Most notable reason I think that, why pull in Pep instead of interviewing guys like Glenn who are real HC candidates league-wide?)
They have their pick of Vrabel or Johnson. Like who cares if they fumble around with 6 other candidates.
 

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They have their pick of Vrabel or Johnson. Like who cares if they fumble around with 6 other candidates.
Because process matters,. Also, my instinct is they'll never even make it to an in-person Johnson interview, Kraft appears to be at the stage many ripped Bill (rightly) for.... he's not interested in working with anybody but his friends.
 

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They have their pick of Vrabel or Johnson. Like who cares if they fumble around with 6 other candidates.
They can make offers to one or the other. Doesn't mean they'll be accepted. If both those guys were to choose other jobs, they'd have to start from scratch
 

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Because process matters,. Also, my instinct is they'll never even make it to an in-person Johnson interview, Kraft appears to be at the stage many ripped Bill (rightly) for.... he's not interested in working with anybody but his friends.
Exactly. Kraft went with his gut last time. If they just go and hire Vrabel, it shows they didn't learn much. Plus there is value in interviewing legitimate candidates even if they do not eventually hire them.

Second while they may have an idea if they are Vrabel's favorite, I highly doubt Johnson is a given. And who knows if another team might ultimately entice Vrabel.
 

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Exactly. Kraft went with his gut last time. If they just go and hire Vrabel, it shows they didn't learn much. Plus there is value in interviewing legitimate candidates even if they do not eventually hire them.

Second while they may have an idea if they are Vrabel's favorite, I highly doubt Johnson is a given. And who knows if another team might ultimately entice Vrabel.
I think Vrabel will wait. I think like last year, he has a lot fewer real landing spots than people think. I think he's the Jets 1st choice, and that's maybe it. Other teams will talk with him, but if it's true he wants to report directly to the owner, have final roster say, and dictate that Cowden or similar be hired as GM..... that probably knocks him down the ladder for a lot of teams.

To me Vrabel is the likely favorite in NYJ and NEP and MAYBE the Saints. But the Saints is a terrible job, and NYJ is rough. He'll wait on Kraft if Kraft wants to run a real search.
 

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They can make offers to one or the other. Doesn't mean they'll be accepted. If both those guys were to choose other jobs, they'd have to start from scratch
I don't think they'd get turned down if they offered the job to either. The Pats vacancy may very well be the most desired at the moment. Young, franchise QB, most cap space in the league, high draft pick, potentially some flexibility in bringing someone in for the player personnel department. It's probably the Pats and Bears as the top openings, depends on what the candidates think of Maye vs. Williams. Chicago also has Ryan Poles who for whatever reason still has a job which may put them slightly behind the Pats.
 

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I don't think they'd get turned down if they offered the job to either. The Pats vacancy may very well be the most desired at the moment. Young, franchise QB, most cap space in the league, high draft pick, potentially some flexibility in bringing someone in for the player personnel department. It's probably the Pats and Bears as the top openings, depends on what the candidates think of Maye vs. Williams. Chicago also has Ryan Poles who for whatever reason still has a job which may put them slightly behind the Pats.
Chicago is also in a much tougher division too.
 

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I don't think they'd get turned down if they offered the job to either. The Pats vacancy may very well be the most desired at the moment. Young, franchise QB, most cap space in the league, high draft pick, potentially some flexibility in bringing someone in for the player personnel department. It's probably the Pats and Bears as the top openings, depends on what the candidates think of Maye vs. Williams. Chicago also has Ryan Poles who for whatever reason still has a job which may put them slightly behind the Pats.
Yeah I think Nationally from what I've seen most people have 3 good openings (NE, JAX, CHI) and rate NE as the best. CHI has the division, but also the worst owner concerns McCaskey is ONE HUNDRED AND TWO years old... when she dies he ownership will be split something like 15 ways with nobody owning more than 10%
 

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Yeah I think Nationally from what I've seen most people have 3 good openings (NE, JAX, CHI) and rate NE as the best. CHI has the division, but also the worst owner concerns McCaskey is ONE HUNDRED AND TWO years old... when she dies he ownership will be split something like 15 ways with nobody owning more than 10%
And whatever is going on with GM Ryan Poles and - as of the past month or two - the seemingly empowered CEO/President Kevin Warren.
 

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The Mike McCarthy stuff is dumb, he's a good NFL coach, his resume is good. People spent years blaming him for the failures of that GB team which was..... mostly not fair? He's one of the 20 best coaches in the league and he's succeeded in multiple places which not a lot of guys can say.
agreed on everything you said but you didnt mention his play-off record.....tomlin i think is a hell of a coach until the play-offs start too
 

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They can make offers to one or the other. Doesn't mean they'll be accepted. If both those guys were to choose other jobs, they'd have to start from scratch
I'm sure the Pats are starting from scratch and haven't spent the last few weeks putting backchannel feelers out to Vrabel and Johnson to have an idea of their level of interest!
 

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Re: McDaniel - I don't think he is a bad coach necessarily, but it seems like a number of media types (esp the TV guys) fawn over him in a way I don't get. Like, he is overrated but not because he is bad; more like he is mediocre to fine but some media guys pump him up like he's the next McVay.
Re: Pierce - I thought he was already gone too. Will be interesting what the Krafts do if Vrabel leverages the threat of going to LV against the Pats and how much they are willing to sweeten the pot.

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True but it could be a good place for cousins to land for instance
Cousins looks cooked, then what do you do in 2/3 years anyway? I get the connection with Brady and all but I don't see the appeal the Raiders would have to Vrabel beyond that. Not to mention the division looks to be a difficult one to win in for the coming years. Reid/Mahomes, Herbert/Harbaugh, Payton/Nix.

For Vrabel specifically this is his 2nd crack at HC. Guys don't normally get a 3rd crack at a HC gig. If I was in his shoes I think I'd want a little more to work with. The Patriots (or Bears or Jaguars) have the most important position figured out.
 

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Probably Drew Allar if the rumor is true he changed his mind and is declaring.
If so let's hope both him and Milroe pop at the combine and this turns into a 4 QB draft.

If Brady is actively involved, I think LV gets interesting. He won't want to just sit around and watch the team struggle.
 

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If so let's hope both him and Milroe pop at the combine and this turns into a 4 QB draft.

If Brady is actively involved, I think LV gets interesting. He won't want to just sit around and watch the team struggle.
They also have a generational pass catcher in Bowers, and a top 5 defensive player in Crosby.