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Mystic Merlin

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He should be benched, or maybe just cut. I don't remember a time in recent years that a guy was consistently the worst guy on the field. He's been terrible in every way.
He’s not gonna be cut. His sizable per game salaries are fully guaranteed because he’s playing under the fifth year option, and who is replacing him? It can actually be worse than what Wynn has showed, as there are basically no legitimate OL you can pick off the street, and none of them would offer the upside Wynn does. I also don’t see anyone taking him in a trade because of the contract.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cannon get more and more snaps over him.
 

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He’s not gonna be cut, his sizable per game salaries are fully guaranteed because he’s playing under the fifth year option.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cannon get more and more snaps over him.
Who cares what his salary is if he's providing 0 value? The cost is there whether he's on the team or not - so if he's not adding value, there's little difference.

This isn't to say he will be, but salary isn't a meaningful reason for him staying.
 

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Who cares what his salary is if he's providing 0 value? The cost is there whether he's on the team or not - so if he's not adding value, there's little difference.

This isn't to say he will be, but salary isn't a meaningful reason for him staying.
I disagree if we are talking about how teams operate. They’re gonna cut Wynn at no savings to sign a JAG? I don’t see it.
 

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I’ve never been so disappointed in a draft pick. I loved him in college including seeing him live, opening massive holes for Sony Michel (and Chubb) in the 2nd greatest game (modern edition) ever played. Thought he would be a good fit here. (Although I expected him at guard, I have to say)

I agree with Merlin. He has much more upside than a jag off the street and they won’tcut him if they can’t save.
 

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Lazar had a note about him today:

"The mental errors hurt, but Wynn's pass sets are all out of sorts on the right side. His post foot (inside foot) is not gaining any ground, causing him to step underneath himself and open up his hip, which is easily giving up his edge to the pass rusher. He's also crossing over at times. Although he's running out of excuses, Wynn is having a hard time transitioning to right tackle."

I’ve never been so disappointed in a draft pick. I loved him in college including seeing him live, opening massive holes for Sony Michel (and Chubb) in the 2nd greatest game (modern edition) ever played. Thought he would be a good fit here. (Although I expected him at guard, I have to say).
Agreed. Early on I was super impressed with Wynn's balance, footwork, and hand placement. Seemed like a real technician, despite his relative lack of length.
 
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The pre-snap penalties are unacceptable, obviously, but he wouldn't be the first tackle to prefer/play way better on one side of the line than the other. There's a decent shot he'd be playingf more effectively at LT, but the team doesn't want him there so...oh well. I'd say, "Tough break in a contract year," but STOP WITH THE EFFING FALSE STARTS.
 

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Pay attention to Wynn’s right foot…his kick-step in pass pro. He gains virtually no ground (IOW, he basically picks it up and puts it down where began), which puts him in “gate open” retreat mode on all steps thereafter. Esp vs Garrett. Still doesn’t look comfortable in PP at RT

View: https://twitter.com/chatham58/status/1581701237640024064


Doesn't seem like Wynn can handle RT.
 

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I still don't really understand why they swapped Brown and Wynn. Wynn was fine at LT, Brown was fine on the right. Now Brown's still fine on the left but Wynn is a mess.
 

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I still don't really understand why they swapped Brown and Wynn. Wynn was fine at LT, Brown was fine on the right. Now Brown's still fine on the left but Wynn is a mess.
You'd think NE is seeing the same issues on film that the twitterverse is. Why try to teach Wynn how to play RT for the first time in his career when this is virtually certain to be his last season in NE. I agree he was fine when healthy at LT last season. Seems like trying to fix something that wasn't broken has indeed broke it.
 

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I still don't really understand why they swapped Brown and Wynn. Wynn was fine at LT, Brown was fine on the right. Now Brown's still fine on the left but Wynn is a mess.
This. Sometimes one really has to wonder what they were thinking. I suppose an optimistic read would be that Wynn can figure this out in time for it to matter. The line as a whole has been good despite his problems.
 

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You'd think NE is seeing the same issues on film that the twitterverse is. Why try to teach Wynn how to play RT for the first time in his career when this is virtually certain to be his last season in NE. I agree he was fine when healthy at LT last season. Seems like trying to fix something that wasn't broken has indeed broke it.
I mean, they see it and they stick with it. Who knows what kind of conversations they've had as a coaching group or with the players, in house. There could be any number of reasons why they're staying with this setup. I doubt any of it is due to incompetence on the Patriots' part or that they don't see what we are seeing.
 

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Maybe the line would be better if Wynn and Brown flipped, but I just love Brown at LT, and it's the more important position.
 

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Maybe the line would be better if Wynn and Brown flipped, but I just love Brown at LT, and it's the more important position.
I think the importance difference is overblown. When you're playing the Browns, the most important position is whichever one is assigned to block Myles Garrett on that particular play. Defenses are smart enough to line up their guys against the weak link. Half the really good pass rushers rush against RTs nowadays.
 

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Jack Conklin is a free agent to be. Perhaps if the Browns continue to fall out of contention there's a trade to be made.
 

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I think the importance difference is overblown. When you're playing the Browns, the most important position is whichever one is assigned to block Myles Garrett on that particular play. Defenses are smart enough to line up their guys against the weak link. Half the really good pass rushers rush against RTs nowadays.
That's a good point, but the difference is still meaningful even if overblown.
 

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I think the importance difference is overblown. When you're playing the Browns, the most important position is whichever one is assigned to block Myles Garrett on that particular play. Defenses are smart enough to line up their guys against the weak link. Half the really good pass rushers rush against RTs nowadays.
I agree it's a bit overblown but the difference comes from the left being the "blind" side rather than who's on the other side.

I think the more important distinction is can Wynn be effective at RT and would be the line as a whole be more effective swapping Brown and Wynn? I have my doubts on that but I think it's a possibility. I think we are likely to see more of Cannon before any swap though. Wynn already got benched for a chunk of the game Sunday, I'd expect he'll have a short leash going forward.
 

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Can't remember who, but maybe Perry said they moved Brown to LT to get more power on the run game from the LT spot?

Wynn had been garbage in pass blocking and decent as a run blocker--Cannon's a reasonable option to get more snaps, not sure if any street guys out there could be better at passblocking than Wynn and also be ok at run blocking.
 

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Can't remember who, but maybe Perry said they moved Brown to LT to get more power on the run game from the LT spot?

Wynn had been garbage in pass blocking and decent as a run blocker--Cannon's a reasonable option to get more snaps, not sure if any street guys out there could be better at passblocking than Wynn and also be ok at run blocking.
yeah, I think they wanted the Brown/Strange combo together. The strongest road grader they have with the more athletic guard, then the bigger guard on the right with the less powerful tackle.
 

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I agree it's a bit overblown but the difference comes from the left being the "blind" side rather than who's on the other side.
I think this is also overblown. More than half the snaps are from shotgun nowadays and the difference in visibility there is going to be minor on those plays.
 

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Visibility/side is also less important with a somewhat mobile guy than a statue like Bledsoe, Brady, or Marino
 

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Jack Conklin is a free agent to be. Perhaps if the Browns continue to fall out of contention there's a trade to be made.
The Pats are only about 2.5M under the cap, and the Pats would have to find space to absorb 5.2M (the prorated portion of Conklin’s 8M base salary) plus potentially 4M in playing time incentives. Unless they’re also trading Agholor - and a Browns team dumping key players isn’t gonna take Agholor back unless you staple a pick(s) to him - I don’t see it.

It’s pretty rare for teams to trade good OL mid-year, too, and are they really gonna do that with their mega-deal QB coming back later this year?
 

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yeah, I think they wanted the Brown/Strange combo together. The strongest road grader they have with the more athletic guard, then the bigger guard on the right with the less powerful tackle.
I wondered whether the move reinvigorated Brown somehow. There were questions about his effort/focus (seemingly perpetually) and Phil indicated even a benching, but he’s been fully engaged a couple weeks now and he’s pulverized people in running plays. I think he always wanted to be LT.

Running Wynn out feels like an OSHA violation.
 

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Onwenu and Wynn both questionable = not good

After all the chattering this week about Jones vs. Zappe, watch Mac start the game vs. the Bears and gets knocked out in 6 plays.