Is it too soon to discuss Ed-Ro?
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As of today, his FIP and xFIP are both over a half run below the AL average. His HR/9 innings is better than the AL average (1.02 vs 1.17). His BB% of 10.6% is a little high vs the AL average 8.8%, but his k% of 29.6% blows away the league average of 21.5%, so I'll take that combo. He is also dead on the average number of innings per start in the AL, 5 2/3. If you have a problem with him, you have a problem with someone who is performing like a significantly above average pitcher in this era.
None of that means he's not pitching well if they're still better than average, which they are. It means he's pitching well AND he's a bit lucky.
His change up and slider usage are really fun to watch. At one point today he back door'd a slider for strike 1. Dotted a fastball inside for strike 2. Then threw a change up down and away for strike 3.
It was a poor man's Chris Sale performance, and I think that's exactly who is modeling after. Working fast, mixing in all three pitches on any count. It's really encouraging to watch.
It was a poor man's Chris Sale performance, and I think that's exactly who is modeling after. Working fast, mixing in all three pitches on any count. It's really encouraging to watch.
Wouldn't it fair to say that the BB% is more a SSS thing? 9 out of 15 of those BB's have been localized to two starts. The control has been pretty decent in his other starts and historically he hasn't been a guy with crazy high walk-rates.
Yes, its a SSS, and none of it suggests he isn't going to pitch better and/or continue to produce like he did today. The ERA and strikeouts would indicate ace-like performance, however he's been pretty middle of the road overall. I think we need another month or so before we talk about jinxes.
A word about pitch count with EdRo. His career high was back in 2015 at 114, last year he had one game in September at 110, and this season, it's been 108, and he's thrown around that number regularly. This season, he's getting there by the end of the 6th so far. It'd be great for him and the bullpen if his efficiency morphs into 105-115 pitches getting him through 7+ with similar results. Of course, then he'd be Chris Sale, which would bode well for our season's chances.
Another middle of the road start by EdRo last night. While it could have easily gone much worse than it did, there were a few good defensive plays that helped him survive (Xander's catch in the 3rd, Mookie's throw in the 5th inning), he did seem to be able to bounce back in the 4th and 5th, and to overcome 2 out hit in the 6th to finish his outing properly.
Looks like this year he is getting a lot more strikeouts (10.7 vs. 8.4), and much lower WHIP (1.1 vs 1.3) than last year. If he can continue to miss bats, maybe it will be a good year for him.
Looks like this year he is getting a lot more strikeouts (10.7 vs. 8.4), and much lower WHIP (1.1 vs 1.3) than last year. If he can continue to miss bats, maybe it will be a good year for him.
6 innings doesn't seem like much but he has faced the O's, Brewers, Cubs, and Cards in 4 of the last 5 games and all 5 were quality starts (he's also faced the Tigers). He should get some cookies soon and maybe a few more innings.
He has pretty much been exactly as projected by scouts as a #3 with #2 upside.
He didn't really have his best stuff last night and still was able to grind through the 6 innings. That's a huge step forward for him. He's going to have a huge step up year if he stays on the bump.
The Globe alluded to how much direction and encouragement he's getting from Porcello and Sale (and Price when he's there). I imagine they have pushed the "grind it out" theory with him. Bend, don;t break, do the best you can to keep a chance to win. He's maturing, and that is a fantastic thing; talent like his coupled with maturity and the right emotional mindset on the hill will make him a very good pitcher, hopefully for a long time.
Yea they said after the inning he gave up 3 runs Sale came up to him and said "this is where the men step up" or something to that affect.
This reiterates my opinion all year that Sale has had an impact on him. He is noticeably working fast and making an effort to mix up his pitches within the zone. I've alluded to it in game threads, but when he's on it really is poor man's Sale stuff and a lot of fun to watch
I found it interesting that ERod has given up runs in multiple innings in 3 of his 7 starts, with 2 of them being his first starts of the year - and he's yet to give up runs in 3 innings of any one starts. It seems like he's got some bad innings and otherwise is settling in/buckling down. He's got a lot of 3 run innings in his game log - if he can limit those, we have an ace on our hands.
I think that happens when he loses confidence in one of his pitches and his patterns/location become staid and predictable
But, it would be really nice if Porcello was the #4 starter on this team and I think that's possible if Price can come back
But, it would be really nice if Porcello was the #4 starter on this team and I think that's possible if Price can come back
His home park doesn't do him any favors. Tough limiting the XBH/HR's at Fenway as a flyball LHP. The overall product is very encouraging, though. He seems to be grooving hittable pitches less and gets ahead of batters more than in past years.
It's fascinating (to me, anyway) to dive into Brooks and look at the way Eduardo's use and command of his repertoire have evolved. For instance, here's an animated GIF showing the change in the zone profile of his changeup from 2015 through this year:
Each year he's progressively zoomed in on the lower edge of the zone, and each year the percentage of changes he's thrown for strikes anywhere but that low-and-away (to RHH) box has decreased. And here's the (perhaps not entirely unrelated) graph of his changeup whiff rate:
Each year he's progressively zoomed in on the lower edge of the zone, and each year the percentage of changes he's thrown for strikes anywhere but that low-and-away (to RHH) box has decreased. And here's the (perhaps not entirely unrelated) graph of his changeup whiff rate:
If you look at his PitchFX track record, it's not unusual for him to hit 96, though he usually sits 93-94.
Yep. Since his first start (5 ip, 4 runs), his stat line is:
44.1 ip, 2.64 era, 1.04 whip, 10.2 k/9
That's pretty sweet.
Really impressed today that he shut down 2 of the 3 rocket launchers from yesterday. I am not sure that anyone will confuse these guys with the Bash Brothers, but they sure did eat up Sox pitching yesterday, and was great to see them leave people on base - especially Khris Davis who struck out twice to end innings (and then Mookie reeled him in to end the 8th).
Hitters slashing .196/.271/.329 against him during that time. 178 batters faced. He's making the average hitter look worse than 2015 Pablo.
Balls. Rodriguez to the DL:
Michael SilvermanVerified account @MikeSilvermanBB 2m2 minutes ago
Baseball source: Eduardo Rodriguez going to DL with knee injury. Hurt in slip during warm-ups last night. Discomfort today. Details to come
Michael SilvermanVerified account @MikeSilvermanBB 2m2 minutes ago
Baseball source: Eduardo Rodriguez going to DL with knee injury. Hurt in slip during warm-ups last night. Discomfort today. Details to come
Should I be concerned about the fact that they let him pitch after taking this fall that led to a DL trip?
IDK, the actual fall didn't really look even remotely severe. I mean it was basically a baby tumble, he didn't seem to wince or anything, and he popped right back up shortly after.
Actually, he didn't pop right up. Look at the videos again. Also, as someone with knee problems, I can tell you that in my case, I can turn funny and feel acute pain. Then it seems all right and I go about my business. But, later, the knee is killing me. I am about as far as one can get from an elite athlete, but on the other hand, nothing I do is as stressful as pitching off a major league mound.
Yeah, that's probably what happened.
Give him a little time off to rest it so it doesn't linger all season. Also gives Johnson a chance to pitch in a big series.
I realize they stated there was a spell that he sat on the ground. But again, it didn't initially come off as a "staying down because he was hurting" kinda moment imo. Especially considering it looked like the back round coach didn't even walk over until after he popped up and started walking away.
Certainly nothing worthy of serious second guessing if the guy tells you he's ok.
Some more info
“@PeteAbe: Rodriguez has had an issue with his kneecap dislocating, which is what this is related to.”
“@PeteAbe: Rodriguez on DL: seeing Dr. Andrews for a second opinion on Monday. Knee injury, hope is short-term. Brandon Workman recalled.”
“@MikeSilvermanBB: E-Rod getting second opinion on knee, which subluxated, Monday. He has anatomical peculiarity in knee that makes him prone to sublux.”
“@PeteAbe: Rodriguez has had an issue with his kneecap dislocating, which is what this is related to.”
“@PeteAbe: Rodriguez on DL: seeing Dr. Andrews for a second opinion on Monday. Knee injury, hope is short-term. Brandon Workman recalled.”
“@MikeSilvermanBB: E-Rod getting second opinion on knee, which subluxated, Monday. He has anatomical peculiarity in knee that makes him prone to sublux.”
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So it's the same knee as before?
Well that both sucks and blows. I hope he can rebound from this better than he did to begin last year
Well that both sucks and blows. I hope he can rebound from this better than he did to begin last year
Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but why isn't he wearing a brace or sleeve when he pitches?
Damn. He was having a very, very good start to the season. This is going to hurt. He was the 2nd most reliable guy behind Sale.
Hopefully Price's return is real and sustained. God forbid we have a full 5 healthy major league starters at the same time.
Hopefully Price's return is real and sustained. God forbid we have a full 5 healthy major league starters at the same time.
Not a stupid question, but a brace isn't terribly effective at preventing this from being a problem
When he comes back next year, he should only be allowed to pitch off of flat surfaces unless he's pitching in a game.
Given that EdRo is. Ow going on the DL due to an injury suffered in pregame last night I find Farrell leaving him in to face Schoop even more egregious. There haven't. Even a whole lot of Farrell threads this season, maybe you are keeping all the second guessing in the game threads. But the guy is just not a genius when it comes to managing injuries or knowing when a starter has reached the end of the line.
It was pretty obvious that something wasn't right with Edro. Jerry was commenting during the broadcast and Merloni was tweeting about it. My wife, who is a casual baseball fan, walked into the room and commented "whats wrong with him?"
Not to pile on Farrell, but It is a bit concerning that he and his staff would allow Edro to continue while favoring his knee and throwing all arm.
Not to pile on Farrell, but It is a bit concerning that he and his staff would allow Edro to continue while favoring his knee and throwing all arm.
Brian Johnson feeling better and could still start in Rodriguez place
http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/06/brian_johnson_boston_red_sox_d_2.html
I share this anatomical peculiarity... subloxated or dislocated my knees 9 times in the past 20 yrs.
and i've never seen a kneebrace that provides any sort of mobility be even remotely good at preventing this
Steve: Have you tried or heard of Enerskin? My son used these when returning from ACL surgery and said they were pretty comfortable. I am not sure if they would help your specific condition. For that matter, I am not sure if they did anything for him other than "piece of mind", although he never had any post surgery issues. Just thought I would pass it along as they seem rather unique compared to big bulky braces.
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