Is It Over Now? Chiefs/Niners SB Thread

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So, it’s official.

Chiefs/Niners Round 2. This time with less Garoppolo choking and more TE love stories.

Lots of interesting story lines, none of which involve Taylor Swift.

can join even more rarified air with 3 SB titles.

Can Shanahan finally get over the hump?

Can the Niners defense stop Mahomes after looking so bad for extended stretches against Lions?

Can talented Niners offense make enough plays to win?

Which Purdy shows up?

I think it’s going to take a Brandon Graham type play to take down Mahomes. Tampa had the defense to give him fits a few years ago and a couple of GOATS.

Let’s get it on.
 

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2 more weeks for Deebo to fully heal

I am not sure Chiefs can tackle CMC and Deebo and Kittle well but if they can they can roll.

Playoff Patty won’t make mistakes
 

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2 more weeks for Deebo to fully heal

I am not sure Chiefs can tackle CMC and Deebo and Kittle well but if they can they can roll.

Playoff Patty won’t make mistakes
Yup. Career 39/7 TD/INT ratio in playoffs, which is just nuts. Hasn’t thrown an INT in last 4 games. He’s making all of the right reads and isn’t forcing anything. SF defense will have their hands full.
 

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As posted in the other thread, Mahomes makes 56 million, Purdy around 900k.

This is David vs Goliath in terms of QB salaries.

edit: terms, not Tennessee
 
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Maybe if Chiefs win, Tom comes back?

Probably not, but I can dream

Also, is there anything stopping the 49ers from signing Tom and pulling an Ertz?
 

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Cheering for SF to preserve the Pats as the last team to go back to back, but i don’t think anything can stop KC right now.

I was heartbroken for the Lions, a team I would have cheered hard for against KC.
 

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I'm watching Super Bowl XXXII (Packers-Broncos) on PlutoTV, in which Mike Shanahan, Kyle's dad, coached Ed McCaffrey, Christian's dad, and the Broncos to their first Super Bowl win. Is this the first instance of the son of a head coach coaching the son of a player coached by that son's father making it to a Super Bowl?

The referee for SB XXXII was Ed Hochuli. If his son works on this Super Bowl's crew, is this ultimate Nepo Baby Bowl?

I only hope this year's Super Bowl will turn out to be as good a game as that one.
 

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Pretty ambivalent about this one, honestly. Rooting for the Chiefs, I guess?
How can anyone root for the chiefs? Seems like SF is the way to go here. Am I missing a reason to hate SF too? Is this a 6th Super Bowl win thing? I’d rather see that than have Mahomes get his 3rd and inch closer to Brady. If it wasn’t for TB12, Mahomes could be gunning for his 5th right now.
 

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How can anyone root for the chiefs? Seems like SF is the way to go here. Am I missing a reason to hate SF too? Is this a 6th Super Bowl win thing? I’d rather see that than have Mahomes get his 3rd and inch closer to Brady. If it wasn’t for TB12, Mahomes could be gunning for his 5th right now.
Yes it’s a 6SB thing but tbh I haven’t decided myself

but that would be the reason

edit: and the Reid over Nepo baby thing is real and valid too
 

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I see what you did there with the thread title.

At this point, does TS even need to play the halftime show? I never believed she needed it.
 

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I see what you did there with the thread title.

At this point, does TS even need to play the halftime show? I never believed she needed it.
She definitely doesn’t need it. The rare artist who is actually bigger than the SB halftime show. You have an artist overshadowing the best player in football and a dynasty.
 

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Other than McCaffrey vs the Chiefs run defense, where does SF have any significant edge?

QB? Mahomes vs Purdy isn’t even close.
Coaching? Reid and Spags are just on another level right now.
Special teams? Moody is unreliable.
Pass coverage? Lions and Packers receivers were open all game.

Even the vaunted 49ers front seven have come up small and been pushed around in these playoffs.
 

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Nepo baby who has taken 2 teams to the SB now, and another as OC?
Neither McCacffrey nor Shanahan are really Nepo-babies at this stage. We can say that Shanahan got his start as a nepo (after all he was caoching with his father) but he has earned his stripes. The fact that he does weird crap in the playoffs infuriates me (as a 49er fan) but that's another issue.
 

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Considering watching this one on Nickelodeon
Likewise, honestly. I'm interested in this game only insofar as Mahommes and McCaffrey are exciting players. But as a new Paramount+ subscriber who is thinking of keeping it to watch the Pats on local CBS, I'll watch some of the game to see what performance and picture quality is like. I don't know if the Nickoloedeon broadcast is available through Paramount+, but if it is I'll watch a few drives.
 

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Neither McCacffrey nor Shanahan are really Nepo-babies at this stage. We can say that Shanahan got his start as a nepo (after all he was caoching with his father) but he has earned his stripes. The fact that he does weird crap in the playoffs infuriates me (as a 49er fan) but that's another issue.
I just wanted to point out that my use of "Nepo Baby" in my post was just to indicate that their dads had been to the Super Bowl together before, and not as a slight to either Kyle or CMC. That said, I hate the Niners and will be rooting against them as I usually do whenever they make the Super Bowl.
 

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I just wanted to point out that my use of "Nepo Baby" in my post was just to indicate that their dads had been to the Super Bowl together before, and not as a slight to either Kyle or CMC. That said, I hate the Niners and will be rooting against them as I usually do whenever they make the Super Bowl.
Frankly I do not get the hate. Some team will win 6 Lombardis and there are pelnty who can and some team will make it to more SueprBowls too. That does not take anythng awat from the enjoyment and magic that was the Brady-Bellichick era.

The fact that the Niners have actually rebuilt the team for a 3rd time from scratch into a championship contender has to be impressive as well.

I maybe blinded as a 49er fan and I certainly respect anyone who does not like the 9ers (as a Red Sox fan who hates the Yankees I should right?) I just don't get that reason, if that is it in your case.

BTW my nepobaby response was not for you. Quoted a response to a post so it was not clear.
 

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I'm going 49ers. Andy Reid bugs me, Mahomes bugs me, Kelce is actually okay (though he bugged me for a long time), the Taylor Swift stuff bugs me... so pretty easy for me. I was hoping ot would be the Lions, but oh well.
 

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Frankly I do not get the hate. Some team will win 6 Lombardis and there are pelnty who can and some team will make it to more SueprBowls too. That does not take anythng awat from the enjoyment and magic that was the Brady-Bellichick era.

The fact that the Niners have actually rebuilt the team for a 3rd time from scratch into a championship contender has to be impressive as well.

I maybe blinded as a 49er fan and I certainly respect anyone who does not like the 9ers (as a Red Sox fan who hates the Yankees I should right?) I just don't get that reason, if that is it in your case.
Oh no, I rooted against them going back to their first Super Bowl (XVI), because I wanted to see that Bengals team win. (I read Jerry Kramer's Distant Replay when I was a kid, so I was pulling for his former teammate Forrest Gregg, who was that Bengals team's head coach.) That was long before the Pats started winning Super Bowls.

My family is full of Giants fans, and they beat the Giants on the way to those first two Super Bowls, which also did not endear them to me.
 

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Don't understand the Nepo Baby thing with Shannahan. He spent more time in the NFL coaching away from his father than under him. This isn't like Steve Belichick who has exclusively worked with his father and we have no idea if he's any good or not.

Shannhan has faults (I think his game managment sucks) but seems like a really good coach.
 

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I rooted for them in the second Bengals SB, but was an Elway and Natrone Means fan so against them in the next two.

But don’t want them to get 6. But Kelcewinning another one I don’t want either
 

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Just hoping for a good, well played, competitive game honestly. Like a last possession with a chance to win for either team. SF going for # 6 does not bother me in the least. And honestly the Pats going to shit has really minimized my dislike for KC. We're really not competing with anyone at this point so who cares? KC winning in no way diminishes what TB/BB and the Pats have done.

Probably pulling for SF if I had to pick one. But watching grown men throw a hissy fit from too much Taylor Swift attention is pretty funny too. Like I said, just hoping for a good game.
 

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I think SF getting to 6 titles will probably piss off Steeler fans even more than Pats fans. So go Niners, although I don't see it.

It's a QB league. Unless Mahomes rolls an ankle or something, this looks like 4 hours of crappy commercials occasionally interrupted by the Niners bleeding out.
 

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He got his start with his father. That’s what makes him a Nepo Baby just like Steve.
And I like saying Nepo Baby.
Is Kobe Bryant a Nepo Baby too? Steph Curry? Or is it just for coaches?

Shanahan has been to 4 NFC Championship games and now 2 super bowls. He's Andy Reid in Reid's early years except maybe a little better.

Maybe it's just the connotation but to me Nepo baby is reserved for people who haven't earned it. He has.
 

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He got his start with his father. That’s what makes him a Nepo Baby just like Steve.
And I like saying Nepo Baby.
No he didn't get his start with his father. I'm sure Mike helped open doors but Kyle was hired first by Jon Gruden in Tampa Bay, then went to Houston under Gary Kubiak. He had 5 years of NFL coaching experience before ever working with or for his father.

And since then he's turned into one of the best coaches in the NFL.
 

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Oh no, I rooted against them going back to their first Super Bowl (XVI), because I wanted to see that Bengals team win. (I read Jerry Kramer's Distant Replay when I was a kid, so I was pulling for his former teammate Forrest Gregg, who was that Bengals team's head coach.) That was long before the Pats started winning Super Bowls.

My family is full of Giants fans, and they beat the Giants on the way to those first two Super Bowls, which also did not endear them to me.
Pulling for Cincinnati in 1982 because their coach Forrest Gregg was a teammate of another old Packer who wrote a book you read was fine years ago, but to use it as a reason to continue to root against SF is about fourth order reasoning, seems to me. Pretty far fetched, but we all have to have a reason, unless we don’t care.:)
 

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Pulling for Cincinnati in 1982 because their coach Forrest Gregg was a teammate of another old Packer who wrote a book you read was fine years ago, but to use it as a reason to continue to root against SF is about fourth order reasoning, seems to me. Pretty far fetched, but we all have to have a reason, unless we don’t care.:)
Yes, but then I rooted against them in SB XXIII (wanted to see the Icky Woods/Boomer Bengals win) and SB XXIV (wanted to see Elway finally win) and SB XXIX (wanted to see the Chargers win)--and at some point it just became a habit. And lest we forget, the NFC won 13 Super Bowls in a row at one point (and 15 of 16) and they kicked off that stretch.

It's not interesting if one side is always the one that wins--and as Red Sox fans, we should appreciate that idea more than most.
 

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If SF can stop the run with 4 up front, I believe their defensive line full of pass rushers was built for a game just like this one. Fred Warner and Greenlaw are not going to allow Kelce free range to do whatever he wants off the LOS. I realize that the SF defense has looked mortal for a bit now, but they have the players in the right places to really make life difficult for Mahomes and Co.

That said, like the Pats before them, the Chiefs are the Kings of the NFL, and you can't sit around and wait for the King to chop off their own head. You've got to do it for them. You have to kill the King to get to the top. Buffalo and Baltimore just gave everyone a clear view of what it looks like when you don't. SF can't fuck around for a half like they did against Detroit. They need two halves like the 2nd half they just played.
 

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If SF can stop the run with 4 up front, I believe their defensive line full of pass rushers was built for a game just like this one. Fred Warner and Greenlaw are not going to allow Kelce free range to do whatever he wants off the LOS. I realize that the SF defense has looked mortal for a bit now, but they have the players in the right places to really make life difficult for Mahomes and Co.
Chase Young has a name but Clelin Ferrell was starting at DE and he was setting the edges and playing run defense much, much better. He went on IR before the last game of the regular season. Young couldn't do anything right in the run game.

In the second half, Niners moved Armstead to DE in place of Young and put Kinlaw in Armstead's place at DT to stop the run. It had some good effect. I wonder if Young is going to see the bench expect in very clear passing situations in the super bowl.
 

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Is Kobe Bryant a Nepo Baby too? Steph Curry? Or is it just for coaches?

Shanahan has been to 4 NFC Championship games and now 2 super bowls. He's Andy Reid in Reid's early years except maybe a little better.

Maybe it's just the connotation but to me Nepo baby is reserved for people who haven't earned it. He has.
I agree with this. He isn't Dave Shula or Arthur Smith (I do think Smith paid his dues. He just isn't very good)
 

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I will say, KC has provided with some tremendous Superbowl matchups.

KC / SF was fun, with Mahomes being down double digits entering the fourth. Came down to the last few minutes.
KC / Tampa was fun for the right reasons - Brady winning his 7th ring.
KC / Philadelphia was a great back and forth game, came down to the last minute.

Here's hoping that SF wins, or if KC wins, it's entertaining.

I have a feeling SF wins 28-24.
 

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Both QBs can run for a first down. Someone please tell the Pats that is offense in the 2020s and beyond. Watching Goff move outside the pocket hurt my eyes. Although he was screwed over by his receivers with the drops.
 

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I don’t follow the 49ers closely but the coverage yesterday seemed to suggest that their front four/pash rush had really fallen off recently.

Are there some injuries/personnel who will benefit from 2 weeks to heal or is it likely to still be worse than prior for the SB?

Especially in the second half yesterday it seemed like Mahomes was getting knocked off his game a bit by the Ravens D. Would think SF will have to do similar to keep this one close.
 

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Hard to not see this game as pretty high scoring. Niners D has looked really suspect to me since the Ravens beat them on Christmas night. Both GB and the Lions pushed them around considerably, and I think they'll struggle to slow down what isn't even really a vintage KC offense. But conversely, the Chiefs biggest weakness plays right into the Niners hands with CMC, a good line, Kittle, Juszczyk, and Debo on the jet sweeps. Ultimately, I think the tiebreaker is KC having the best player on the planet. Just feels like Mahomes is at full Brady level now, and will just always find a way to beat you. KC: 31. SF: 27.