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If 21/12/4 and 36% from deep is the real Vucevic moving forward it's hard to complain even though Vucevic isn't necessarily the most exciting player. As some have pointed out you have to be weary that's a contract year mirage. I think I'm on the Russell train though. Would rather reset with three really young but really talented guys as the core.
Smart/Russell/Hayward/Tatum/TL with Brown, Williams, Rozier, Semi off the bench?
or
Smart/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Vucevic with TL/Rozier/Semi/Williams?
I think the latter makes more sense. Not that they're the only options.
or
Smart/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Vucevic with TL/Rozier/Semi/Williams?
I think the latter makes more sense. Not that they're the only options.
I really don't understand the Rozier stuff, unless bigger moves are planned. Maybe they don't think Smart can handle PG? Or want him to get significant minutes on the wing? Otherwise they drafted Langford into a logjam of wings (Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).
This is where I am. Vucevic is a nice player. If Kyrie had stayed and we didn’t get AD and Horford still left, Vucevic would be a great addition. But things have changed and now we’re likely building around much younger guys. I’d much rather tie up the cap space on Russell. I have zero interest in bringing Rozier back.
Maybe it's ridiculous but I'd be down for a DLo signing and a Brown/Smart/Memphis pick deal for Beal.
The FA window is very weak next year. And unless Giannis tires of Milwaukee or KAT demands a trade, we're not going to have a chance at a true superstar for a while.
Let's score 120 a game and see what Stevens can do with a run and gun type team in an open eastern conference.
The FA window is very weak next year. And unless Giannis tires of Milwaukee or KAT demands a trade, we're not going to have a chance at a true superstar for a while.
Let's score 120 a game and see what Stevens can do with a run and gun type team in an open eastern conference.
Smart can’t guard quicker guys very well or bring the ball up when pressured the way you need your main guard to do.
We got Max Strus, all is good.
https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/6/21/18700389/boston-celtics-agree-to-two-way-contract-with-max-strus-depaul
https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/6/21/18700389/boston-celtics-agree-to-two-way-contract-with-max-strus-depaul
Love Vucevic offensively. This wasn't a contract year special on the offensive end, he's been putting up some interesting numbers for a couple of years. Rebounding machine. Starting putting up 3's the past two years. He's added it to his game.
Defensively is a huge question mark. This could be a contract year phenomena and even then, he wasn't a stand out.
Signing Vucevic potentially hamstrings the Celtics from signing a max guy next year (unless Hayward opts out). Vooch isn't going to get the max, he'll sign for between $20-27mm.
Defensively is a huge question mark. This could be a contract year phenomena and even then, he wasn't a stand out.
Signing Vucevic potentially hamstrings the Celtics from signing a max guy next year (unless Hayward opts out). Vooch isn't going to get the max, he'll sign for between $20-27mm.
I don't think there's a max guy next year as interesting as either Vuc or Russell this year.
I'm okish with Vooch as a player, just don't like his timeline.
As far as other guys becoming available--it always happens. The only thing we know is that it will be someone we don't expect, and that it will come out of nowhere. And now the Lakers have taken themselves out of the running for whomever that guy is, for awhile.
As far as other guys becoming available--it always happens. The only thing we know is that it will be someone we don't expect, and that it will come out of nowhere. And now the Lakers have taken themselves out of the running for whomever that guy is, for awhile.
I will say this about the timeline stuff. Vuc would be a 4 year deal, so you're talking about his age 29-32 seasons, now a younger guy maybe you use Bird Rights to re-sign, but otherwise, the age isn't a big deal. You can only really build in 4 year timelines with free agents, and if Tatum and Brown are more than 3 years away from whatever you think they'll be you're screwed either way because it means you have basically nothing of value.
The issue is more that when you get to the end of that contract, he's not really an asset, and you don't really want to re-up him to a new one given the age.
He's 28, not 38. You'd be paying for his age 29-32 seasons. If you like the player you shouldn't really be worried about any age-related decline in those years. Most here wanted to bring back Horford and he's five years older.
Here's the thing about the NBA now: Contracts only last four years for free agent signings, so that's really your window. Planning a timeline longer than four years is a fool's errand; it's an outdated and unrealistic concept. Certainly it would be preferable to have a Vuc-level talent on his rookie deal so you'd control his rights longer, but that would mean either drafting him or playing out the nose in picks and players to acquire him. This is just money.