iPhone 6 - BFD

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I'll just agree to disagree then. I agree with all you said I just don't agree how apple has handled it and the fact they're not providing a remediation action as of yet outside of get a new phone. They're in a tough spot.

You may not care about anyone else but as a
consumer company they should. I'm not saying don't do what they've done just handle it better. They've not been exactly PR savvy when they've had some issues in the past.
 

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I wouldn't worry about remediation. Apple will make this go away on the cheap (which will submarine the lesson that should be learned here, but whatever, bad press wins).
 

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But Apple needs to care. That's the point. They aren't just in the security business. They're in the business of satisfying customers with their product. If potentially millions of people are unwittingly doing things that could destroy their purchase, then there's a huge disconnect.

Edit: Or what Nor'PJ said :)
 

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I wouldn't worry about remediation. Apple will make this go away on the cheap (which will submarine the lesson that should be learned here, but whatever, bad press wins).
Apple should learn their own lesson as well. Just do this shit up right and not deal with it later.

Not fixing people iPhone screens isn't going to make a dent. As you say, you do this stuff for a living. Go launch a spear phishing attack at any organization, govt, banking, whatever and see what rates you get back. The touchid sensor replacement is a small part of a much
Much larger problem.
 

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I’ve noticed a strange issue with my iPhone 6 battery and I’m curious if any of you have run across it as well and, if so, if you were able to fix it. I’ve got a 14-month old Verizon iPhone 6 running iOS 8.1.2. In the last couple of week, I’ve noticed several times when I’m using my iPhone and the battery jumps very quickly from ~40% to ~10% to 0% in a matter of about 5 seconds. It seems to happen when I’m using iTunes (with headphones) and Twitter at the same time while walking to work in the cold. If I try to turn it back on right away, it shows the low battery/plug me in and recharge me screen. However, after 10 minutes or so, when I get to the Metro station (and out of the cold), I can turn it back on, and the battery again shows the initial ~40%.

I’ve recalibrated the battery several times since the first time this happened, but that doesn’t seem to have fixed it. I also try to close apps when not using them so that only a few apps are running at any given time.

I haven’t upgraded to iOS 9.X, but will soon (once I remember to backup my phone one of these evenings) in hopes that it fixes this problem without creating new ones.

Has anyone else run into this issue?
 

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I’ve noticed a strange issue with my iPhone 6 battery and I’m curious if any of you have run across it as well and, if so, if you were able to fix it. I’ve got a 14-month old Verizon iPhone 6 running iOS 8.1.2. In the last couple of week, I’ve noticed several times when I’m using my iPhone and the battery jumps very quickly from ~40% to ~10% to 0% in a matter of about 5 seconds. It seems to happen when I’m using iTunes (with headphones) and Twitter at the same time while walking to work in the cold. If I try to turn it back on right away, it shows the low battery/plug me in and recharge me screen. However, after 10 minutes or so, when I get to the Metro station (and out of the cold), I can turn it back on, and the battery again shows the initial ~40%.

I’ve recalibrated the battery several times since the first time this happened, but that doesn’t seem to have fixed it. I also try to close apps when not using them so that only a few apps are running at any given time.

I haven’t upgraded to iOS 9.X, but will soon (once I remember to backup my phone one of these evenings) in hopes that it fixes this problem without creating new ones.

Has anyone else run into this issue?
This is almost certainly because of the cold. How cold has it been when this has happened?

The batteries operate electrochemically in ways that can be affected pretty severely by temperatures well below freezing, but the mechanism for estimating the battery capacity assumes normal temps. So the estimate could become erratic, and you'll also probably lose charge much faster than you would indoors or on a pleasant day.

It's just the physics of Li-ion batteries.
 

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This is almost certainly because of the cold. How cold has it been when this has happened?

The batteries operate electrochemically in ways that can be affected pretty severely by temperatures well below freezing, but the mechanism for estimating the battery capacity assumes normal temps. So the estimate could become erratic, and you'll also probably lose charge much faster than you would indoors or on a pleasant day.

It's just the physics of Li-ion batteries.
The first few times this happened it was below freezing outside. Today it was around 40 degrees, with a wind chill maybe a little below that. It happens about 10 minutes into my walk. Is that cold enough and long enough to cause the phone to be unable to recognize the remaining charge in the battery and to think the battery is fully drained?
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that newer phones are more susceptible to the cold since They're thinner and have more surface area.
 

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The first few times this happened it was below freezing outside. Today it was around 40 degrees, with a wind chill maybe a little below that. It happens about 10 minutes into my walk. Is that cold enough and long enough to cause the phone to be unable to recognize the remaining charge in the battery and to think the battery is fully drained?
40 degrees shouldn't be cold enough, no. The battery is supposed to work perfectly above freezing. This would be something we'd expect might happen to an unpocketed phone in like 5 degree weather, and this is a pretty severe performance decline even in that case. This seems like the battery is not only losing capacity, but also losing the ability to put out enough power to keep the phone on at all.

So maybe there is a more pervasive hardware issue w/r/t the battery. It only happens on this one particular walk? Does it happen if you're just listening to music, but keep the phone in your pocket? And how did you recalibrate the battery?

(Also: I know a ton of people do this, but you don't have to manually close apps. The list of apps that appear to be running are not actually all running: it's just a list of recent apps. The OS automatically kills apps when it needs their resources, and closely limits what they are allowed to do in the background so as to not use too much battery/ram/data/etc., but keeps them in the list of recent apps whether they are running or no. The idea was that the user should no longer have to care about the distinction between an app running/not-running, but this whole folklore sprang up...)
 

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40 degrees shouldn't be cold enough, no. The battery is supposed to work perfectly above freezing. This would be something we'd expect might happen to an unpocketed phone in like 5 degree weather, and this is a pretty severe performance decline even in that case. This seems like the battery is not only losing capacity, but also losing the ability to put out enough power to keep the phone on at all.

So maybe there is a more pervasive hardware issue w/r/t the battery. It only happens on this one particular walk? Does it happen if you're just listening to music, but keep the phone in your pocket? And how did you recalibrate the battery?

(Also: I know a ton of people do this, but you don't have to manually close apps. The list of apps that appear to be running are not actually all running: it's just a list of recent apps. The OS automatically kills apps when it needs their resources, and closely limits what they are allowed to do in the background so as to not use too much battery/ram/data/etc., but keeps them in the list of recent apps whether they are running or no. The idea was that the user should no longer have to care about the distinction between an app running/not-running, but this whole folklore sprang up...)
Thanks very much for the insights.

I've recalibrated the battery by running it all the way down to zero then plugging it in (and leaving it plugged in) until it is at 100%, then resetting the phone.

I've only noticed it on this walk, but my walk to/from the Metro is generally the only time I'm using the phone outside. This has never happened when using the phone or listening to music in other situations. Once I get inside, the battery acts like nothing ever happened - it returns to its prior charge level and works as normal. So it's only losing enough power to keep the phone on when its out in the cold, then that ability comes right back once I'm inside. So, maybe my battery is just messed up and more sensitive to the cold than it should be? Guess the solution is to resist the urge to use it during my walk, or at least keep it in my jacket while listening to music on my walk. Or I could dig the old Walkman out of the basement, since that never had issues with the cold. Thanks!
 

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Rechargeable Lithium batteries use what is called a NTC thermistor to prevent their operation at very cold temperatures. At cold temperatures the lithium ions can begin to plate out as lithium metal. Bad things like smoke and shooting flames happen when you get too much lithium metal in the battery. I wonder if the thermistor is failing and shutting down the battery at too high a temperature.
 

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Man, that is not going to over well with the people who ended up being persuaded into buying a new phone because they were told their phones were now junk.

I get the whole argument for security, and don't disagree, but Apple definitely did not have all its contingencies lined up on this one... If they knew they were going to be locking up phones with potential security risks, they should have had the plan in place to handle those cases and had it communicated to the reps that would be handling it, not "eff you your phone is hosed".
 

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They already said they're going to reimburse anyone who paid for a replacement phone.
 

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Not sure why this wasn't a selling point, but being completely paranoid about dropping my phone in the toilet (which is probably why I've never actually done it), but the 6S models can last over an hour in a bowl of water without shutting off.


The iPhone 6 only lasted about a minute before shitting the bed under similar tests. I wouldn't trust it in deeper depths like a pool, but my paranoia can ebb a bit.
 

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I'm guessing that it wasn't a selling point because they didn't want to have to warranty it. Look what happens when they release any iPhone, the YouTube world takes turns trying to destroy them. If they said it was water resistant, there'd be hundreds of people trying to prove them wrong and we'd have AntennaGate / BendGate all over again.
 
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Yeah this isn't news. People were demonstrating that stuff within a week of the 6S being released.

Apple doesn't want to make claims of water resistance because then they're end up with all kinds of idiots taking them swimming or using them in the shower and then trying to make warranty claims for replacements.

It's the same reason the Apple Watch's water resistance is underrated. It's only rated to be under like 1 foot or water or something but people have used them on extended swimming workouts and used them in the face of hot tub jets and such with no failures.
 

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I need to replace my wife's iphone 5 with a 6 and am looking for a good price. I've seen the what's on the Apple site brand new and am looking for a better deal...is it out there? AT&T is our carrier and would like to stay with them. Suggestions welcomed.
 

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Possible photo of Iphone 7+ with a dual camera (from Macrumors)

The first possible real photo of the iPhone 7 Plus has surfaced on Chinese website Bastille Post, providing a closer look at the design of the upcoming smartphone.

The most notable change is the inclusion of a much-rumored dual-lens camera with a protruding, pill-shaped enclosure, as opposed to two separate circular camera openings depicted in some online renderings.

Rumors are conflicting about whether the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, or both smartphones will have dual cameras, but it now appears that at least one model may not have a completely flush camera as originally expected.

The dual-lens camera is accompanied by a microphone and an LED flash, as seen on previous iPhones, while the antenna bands have been repositioned along the top and bottom edges of the smartphone as we first reported last month.

There are also three dots towards the bottom of the iPhone 7 Plus that appear to be for a Smart Connector, a new interface first introduced on the iPad Pro that can transmit both data and power at the same time for use with accessories. It is, however, unknown how a Smart Connector would be used on an iPhone.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/15/iphone-7-plus-photo-dual-lens-smart-connector/


 

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You don't care about having the thinnest mobile phone in the history of man? Whaaaaaaaa?
 

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It's funny how upset people get about the camera protruding. I couldn't care less about it.
Yeah I don't get this at all.

Nor the outrage about getting rid of 30 year old design headphone jacks. Get an adaptor if you need it or bluetooth headphones. Time marches on.
 

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I was thinking about the adapter idea today. Pretty sure the adapter would have to be a bit bulky and draw power from the phone battery since you would need to convert from digital to analog.
 

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If the Apple provided headphones don't need an adaptor and i can plug in a charger when I'm using the headset I'll be happy.

I use the provided headphones all the time for conference calls and they're great for audio and I'm on a regular basis asked what I'm using for audio since the speaker is excellent. I use the iPhone in the car a ton, if I can't charge and talk at the same time that's a huge problem.
 

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If the Apple provided headphones don't need an adaptor and i can plug in a charger when I'm using the headset I'll be happy.

I use the provided headphones all the time for conference calls and they're great for audio and I'm on a regular basis asked what I'm using for audio since the speaker is excellent. I use the iPhone in the car a ton, if I can't charge and talk at the same time that's a huge problem.
rumored to be wireless charging.. .So you would only be able to "plug in" one thing at a time.... Wireless charging for the car?
 

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Does anyone have any interest in the SE that's going to be announced next Monday? I'm going to grab one for my wife and probably get one myself. 6s processor & 6 camera in a 5s body- will be very interesting to see how it sells.
 

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May replace my wife's 5 with the new SE. She likes the smaller size of the 5 and if the price is decent we may jump at it.
 

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This is probably the most uninspired Apple product launch event in a long time. Not only is there nothing actually new, but the "new" products themselves are just reduced versions of earlier products.
 

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Which is why they hosted it on-prem with like 50 people there. I don't think it was expected to be a huge announcement.

Edit: looks like iPad Air 2 is now $399

Edit 2: iPad Mini 4 is still $399
 
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Well, for those of us still longing for small factor phones, this was more interesting than their recent fare. I like that contrary to other makers, they didn't compromise on specs just because the phone had a smaller screen. Also, the price is very appealing. $500 for a 64GB premium phone? Very decent.
 

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Those things we made bigger? We've now made them..........smaller!

 

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So question: They don't plan to make the Ipad with a "normal" size screen again?

I want a new Ipad, but the big is too big for what I use, and I don't like the Mini.

Edit: Serves me right for not looking. They do have an Ipad Pro at 9.7 inches
 

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How are you defining big? The Pro they launched today has the 9.7" screen compared to the Air which had a 9.4" screen.