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glennhoffmania

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Yeah we have a few new Echos. I haven't set them all up yet. Should I just put the Echos in the problem areas instead?
 

glennhoffmania

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Just ran a speed test on the top floor and only got 87 download. I feel like it should be faster.
 

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As an experiment I switched to the Fios wifi and did speed tests. I'm getting between 300 and 450 depending on the room. It seems dumb to use the Eeros instead of that given the speed difference. Isn't Eero supposed to be better than the Fios extenders?
 

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As an experiment I switched to the Fios wifi and did speed tests. I'm getting between 300 and 450 depending on the room. It seems dumb to use the Eeros instead of that given the speed difference. Isn't Eero supposed to be better than the Fios extenders?
Which model Eero? And do you have some old/really old devices on the network? If you have an 802.11b device on the Eero's network it may/will force everything to run slowly (though I would expect slower than 87 actually).
I'm assuming there are almost no devices on the Fios network as well.

"Better" depends on quite a few things. As far as I know, Eero uses wireless backhaul (i.e. the link between the extenders and the main unit/gateway can be in the same spectrum as the client network), I have no idea if that is the case for the Fios extenders.
 

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Which model Eero? And do you have some old/really old devices on the network? If you have an 802.11b device on the Eero's network it may/will force everything to run slowly (though I would expect slower than 87 actually).
I'm assuming there are almost no devices on the Fios network as well.

"Better" depends on quite a few things. As far as I know, Eero uses wireless backhaul (i.e. the link between the extenders and the main unit/gateway can be in the same spectrum as the client network), I have no idea if that is the case for the Fios extenders.
It's the 6+. As far as I know there aren't any really old devices on the network. It's mostly brand new or newer TVs, phones that are a couple of years old, Echos, Ring, Nest and an iPad.

The only reason I have a Fios extender at all is because I have one TV that was too far from the Fios router and the cable box is wireless, so I added a Fios extender and the problem was solved. Until I did my little experiment to compare the speeds nothing else was connected to Fios. But I'm consistently getting speeds over 500 now.
 

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If you're concerned with max throughput the Eeros probably isn't going to be the answer. I personally have a FiOS router, an off brand older FiOS extender, and a MOCA adaptor connected to my old AirPort Extreme router and the setup is great. The nice thing about FiOS is that it gives you MoCA by default which can basically let you get gigabit (or even 2.5Gbps with newer MoCA devices) via your installed coax.

Edit: that said, if you're getting 87 Mbps or more it should be sufficient for any kind of streaming etc.
 

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It's the 6+. As far as I know there aren't any really old devices on the network. It's mostly brand new or newer TVs, phones that are a couple of years old, Echos, Ring, Nest and an iPad.

The only reason I have a Fios extender at all is because I have one TV that was too far from the Fios router and the cable box is wireless, so I added a Fios extender and the problem was solved. Until I did my little experiment to compare the speeds nothing else was connected to Fios. But I'm consistently getting speeds over 500 now.
If you are getting 500 off the Fios+extender network and still <100 from the Eero network, then something weird is happening. Unless your Fios extender is actually on MOCA like @derekson mentioned - is it plugged into the coax cable?

From what I can tell looking at Eero reviews it is very distance dependent (meaning the distance from the main gateway to each mesh device, or maybe mesh-to-mesh if you have enough of them, is what matters - plus any obstructions that are affecting the signal).

I'd plug in all the new Alexas and see if you can get them to work as Eero extenders too to increase the coverage. More will not hurt.
 

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Thanks, guys. Yes, the extenders are plugged in with coax. I now have three of them. Speed has been great. I started switching everything to Fios. And then of course I found out that I have a router issue. One of my TVs couldn't recognize the network so I called and they said they couldn't reach my router to check the logs so there's something up with it and they need to replace it. Then my TV connected and everything is flying.

Eero sounds great. I thought it was the answer. But assuming the router issue gets resolved the Fios network seems to make more sense. My Eeros are past the return cutoff so I guess I'll keep them as a backup.

Also I had already set up the Echos so I had four Eeros going plus two Echos working as extenders and I was still barely hitting 100 and not consistently. I called Eeros tech support and they said everything looks fine on their end and I should move the Eeros around and try again. That didn't do much.
 

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So I have a hardwired connection for my primary PC, but I hadn't been using it. I just did a speed test and on my wifi I get 150 down / 100 up. Disabled it, enabled the NIC and I get 700 down / 1 up . Yes 1, one 1.0, uno.

Thoughts on why the hardwired is so slow?

self edit before posting as I googled it: Read that IPv6 TCP Checksum Offload should be disabled. So I did that, and now I'm getting the expected up speeds. Maybe this will help someone else, so I'll leave it here.
 

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So I have a hardwired connection for my primary PC, but I hadn't been using it. I just did a speed test and on my wifi I get 150 down / 100 up. Disabled it, enabled the NIC and I get 700 down / 1 up . Yes 1, one 1.0, uno.

Thoughts on why the hardwired is so slow?

self edit before posting as I googled it: Read that IPv6 TCP Checksum Offload should be disabled. So I did that, and now I'm getting the expected up speeds. Maybe this will help someone else, so I'll leave it here.
You have Fios right? Assuming so, here's a reddit thread describing it a bit more.
 

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You have Fios right? Assuming so, here's a reddit thread describing it a bit more.
Wow. This explains the issue I was having with gmail and other google related sites a few months back on this machine. I think I even posted about it. It was the only machine in the house with issues. I installed windows 10 pro (up from 7)and it went away...but that's because I also switched to using wireless after the install. Crazy that it was a combo of the ISP and the NIC. I never would have got there.
 

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Disabling IPv6 is on our short list of crap to automatically disable when people call in with slowness issues. Well, we used to. Now we have it disabled through central scripting so that nobody ever even sees it. One day we'll have to turn it back on, but that day ain't tomorrow. If it's not a ISP it's some silly driver or card that doesn't work with it. Windows does a bad job of ignoring IPv6 when it's acting like an asshole.
 

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You have Fios right? Assuming so, here's a reddit thread describing it a bit more.
Holy shit! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been struggling with this problem for over a year. Couldn’t Zoom; couldn’t Google, load Amazon images, or watch YouTube videos on Firefox; couldn’t send any attachments with gmail; etc, etc. Chrome worked only marginally better. I tried everything I could think of, searched endlessly, and got nowhere. People experiencing similar problems were getting the runaround on the Verizon forums. I ended up having to do most network activity on my phone, which I hate.

I haven’t tried everything yet, but so far this fix seems to be doing the trick.