Ime Udoka suspended for the 22-23 season

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Yeah, if that's what it is, it makes sense that the punishment would be a suspension for probably some number of games exceeding 5. And a clear warning that there will be no suspension for a repeat infraction.
 

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That's what she said.
My fraternity had a "code of conduct" too.
I don't really get how this is such a big story if Sham's tweet was accurate. They should have just suspended him and said he violated some rules him unless it really was a leak and not fed by Brad or Wyc to Woj.

Best case scenario for long term here. Just sucks he and his wife will have to be drug through the mud.
 

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Shitty situation for him and his family, but I don’t care one bit from a fan perspective. It’s also pretty boring, your standard all American affair.
 

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Twitter is the perfect place to discuss a story like this. Assuming the report about consenting adults is true, this really only concerns the parties directly involved.
 

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This feels like something that we shouldn’t even know about. Sucks that this is all public and that his wife and kid will have to go through all that comes with that
 
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Bad on Ime but also badly handled by the Org if this was a consensual situation that didn’t involve some strange power imbalance. This kind of thing is not rare and would not typically be made public in this way, which makes me think there are still some aspects we don’t know.
 

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I'm doubting the "consensual" part of this situation if that's the case.
if it’s bad enough to suspend him for a year it’s surprising to me he hasn’t been fired; this is either an overreaction or we’ll find out horrible details and he will in fact be let go. I can’t imagine a year- long suspension being the outcome.
 

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if it’s bad enough to suspend him for a year it’s surprising to me he hasn’t been fired; this is either an overreaction or we’ll find out horrible details and he will in fact be let go. I can’t imagine a year- long suspension being the outcome.
Yeah it’s either “his job isn’t at risk” OR “he’s facing a year-long suspension.”

Woj needs to stop.
 

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I'm doubting the "consensual" part of this situation if that's the case.

But then that's a league and legal situation. The team guidelines is throwing me.
If not consensual he never coaches in the league again and goes to jail. So I think you're wrong here. One season does sound high for fraternization though.
 

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I'm a bit surprised that the details of such internal discussions, which really should involve a tiny number of folks within the organization, would leak out. It's not all adding up so far.
 

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If not consensual he never coaches in the league again and goes to jail. So I think you're wrong here. One season does sound high for fraternization though.
I misunderstood. I think the team is getting out in front. But if it's a dalliance, why? Make it an internal punishment. Make it financial. Don't ever do that again. If it was internal, keep it internal.

I worry that this is something that becomes a league issue that the team has shown up on this. Is there some sort of suit (civil or otherwise) that's coming the franchise is trying to stem, organizationally?
 

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I misunderstood. I think the team is getting out in front. But if it's a dalliance, why? Make it an internal punishment. Make it financial. Don't ever do that again. If it was internal, keep it internal.

I worry that this is something that becomes a league issue that the team has shown up on this. Is there some sort of suit (civil or otherwise) that's coming the franchise is trying to stem, organizationally?
There doesn’t need to be an imminent suit or non-consensual activity involved for a leader having an affair with a direct subordinate to potentially subject the organization to an unacceptable amount of risk.
 

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Woj tweeting out these half baked ideas/discussions is incredibly fucking annoying and honestly pretty unprofessional.
 

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I'm a bit surprised that the details of such internal discussions, which really should involve a tiny number of folks within the organization, would leak out. It's not all adding up so far.
If that tweet was from a Celtic’s staffer it’s possible people inside are frustrated he wasn’t fired and so are leaking. Then again, why not leak the aggravating circumstances, because as bad as it is to hook up with people below you in an organization, if you’re talking year long suspensions and have leaks like this, maybe she was a direct reportee or something worse. Sure as shit hope not.
 

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If we are talking season, I think Brad probably comes back down. This is so bizarre. Consensual liaisons don’t add up to a year suspension.
 

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Knowing the power dynamic that often accompanies these “consensual affairs”, this seems like something that is pretty bad based on initial reporting of how the Celtics are thinking about a “significant” suspenseion.

It feels like most in this thread would be excoriating the person if this was a member of another organization, or just some corporation.

We should obviously wait for the full story here, but if this is the case that he was banging some subordinate then fuck Ime and the Celtics should fire him.
 

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We are in a 3 year championship run window; to do this must mean it’s serious, possibly an intern. If it’s worth a year suspension it’s probably better to move on.
 

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One year suspension sounds insane for a consensual affair.

There has to be another shoe to drop here.
 

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Power imbalance gets you to 'suspension' in my mind potentially, but not "one year suspension"

Do any of the Celtics owners have kids or significant others who are team employees? There's some other piece to this if "one year suspension" is on the table.

I guess lying to ownership is the other way you get there---let's say there's an affair with a staffer, and team asks him about it and he lies to them about it. That would get you fired in many cases, but given Ime's success maybe that gets you the one year suspension?
 

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Am I way off base here? This is so overblown it’s insane. Absolutely nuts the franchise would rock the boat and ruin team chemistry in what is a critical season for the future of the FRANCHISE. (Banner 18? Or season of discontent and then JB leaves?). I mean, really?

This is a CONSENSUAL relationship with a woman who is over the age of consent, over the age of 18 and more than likely over the age of 21. Sure if she reports to IME it might pose some questions like is the dynamic of the relationship equal etc. But worthy of season long suspensions? Are you kidding me?

To be suspended season long there better be gambling on games, sexual harassment or some kind of NON-consensual encounter.
 

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I *think* we should avoid speculation over this is overblown until we get the details.

Yes, it seems overblown. But we don't know any details
 

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Am I way off base here? This is so overblown it’s insane. Absolutely nuts the franchise would rock the boat and ruin team chemistry in what is a critical season for the future of the FRANCHISE. (Banner 18? Or season of discontent and then JB leaves?). I mean, really?

This is a CONSENSUAL relationship with a woman who is over the age of consent, over the age of 18 and more than likely over the age of 21. Sure if she reports to IME it might pose some questions like is the dynamic of the relationship equal etc. But worthy of season long suspensions? Are you kidding me?

To be suspended season long there better be gambling on games, sexual harassment or some kind of NON-consensual encounter.
This glosses over the fact that determining what is truly consensual and not when one person (seemingly) has a significant higher ranking in an organization becomes very challenging. Did she say it was okay because she feared losing her job or some kind of retaliation to saying no? The lines become blurry very quickly which is why a lot of workplaces aren't comfortable with it.
 

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This glosses over the fact that determining what is truly consensual and not when one person (seemingly) has a significant higher ranking in an organization
This this this.

Wouldn’t you know it, we see this shit all too often in the academic world. Its messed up and it doesn’t take a lot of digging to find out why.
 

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This glosses over the fact that determining what is truly consensual and not when one person (seemingly) has a significant higher ranking in an organization becomes very challenging. Did she say it was okay because she feared losing her job or some kind of retaliation to saying no? The lines become blurry very quickly which is why a lot of workplaces aren't comfortable with it.
Yeah, I would be 100% fired for having a relationship with a subordinate or administrative assistant etc. Many companies have policies on this — particularly if it happened at a work type event, in front of other people, etc. I don’t know why this would be any different.
 

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I got up to piss around 3 am, glanced at my phone and saw that a half-dozen people had sent me Woj's tweet.

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Woj tweeting out these half baked ideas/discussions is incredibly fucking annoying and honestly pretty unprofessional.
He's probably pissed that Shams broke the news of the sexual relationship.
 

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My immediate reaction is that if his actions were bad enough to warrant a significant suspension, possibly even a year-long suspension, they should just shitcan him because it’s not worth the distraction in such a critical year for the team. There’s no way this is all over a simple affair he had with someone who works for the team but isn’t directly involved with him.
 
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My immediate reaction is that if his actions were bad enough to warrant a significant suspension, possibly even a year-long suspension, they should just shitcan him because it’s not worth the distraction in such a critical year for the team. There’s no way this is all over a simple affair he had with someone who works for the team but isn’t directly involved with him.
CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.

Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
 

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Ime is the most high profile/important person in the organization that isn’t a player.

There isn’t ANYONE in the organization where a relationship wouldn’t involve a power dynamic that - originally pressed by Ime, wouldn’t create a potentially uncomfortable situation for the woman.

A “consensual” relationship just means (at this point), the woman didn’t outwardly reject his advances.

It’s a bad look.
 

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CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.

Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
I don't think anyone is saying he should be fired based on what we know. But some folks are wondering why a one year suspension would be on the table but a firing would not be. And, of course, there is a huge caveat that we really don't know if a one year suspension ever was on the table; sources have been wrong before.

Ime probably has a clause in his contract that says he must follow team policies with regards to sexual harassment in the work place, and probably had to sit through the standard HR training on it as well. As the head coach, Ime is a high profile person within the organization so would be held to a high standard on such matters. An affair with an office employee certainly could trigger a suspension, especially if he did not disclose it to the team (some Fortune 500 companies have fraternization policies that require such disclosure). I wouldn't advocate for his firing in such a particular case if it was a first time offense, but a suspension would certainly be in order.

OTOH, if he had an affair with an intern on the coaching or even training staff, he could indeed lose his job over it.
 

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CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.

Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
What is callous about saying IF there was a power dynamic involved, then Ime should suffer the same consequence that every other high profile man in America would deservedly suffer?

I would argue that your characterization of Fortune 500 CEOs having to resign “over a simple affair” is pretty callous towards the women that in many of those cases are quite taken advantage of and put in awful situations.
 
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What is callous about saying IF there was a power dynamic involved, then Ime should suffer the same consequence that every other high profile man in America would deservedly suffer?

I would argue that your characterization of Fortune 500 CEOs having to resign “over a simple affair” is pretty callous towards the women that in many of those cases are quite taken advantage of and put in awful situations.
You said it's not worth the distraction to suspend him for "a critical year" as if the team's championship aspirations have anything to do with how they should proceed.

And you used the term "a simple affair" when saying you couldn't believe that this was all there was to the story. Don't put your words in my mouth when you were the person who originally used them.
 

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I misunderstood. I think the team is getting out in front. But if it's a dalliance, why? Make it an internal punishment. Make it financial. Don't ever do that again. If it was internal, keep it internal.

I worry that this is something that becomes a league issue that the team has shown up on this. Is there some sort of suit (civil or otherwise) that's coming the franchise is trying to stem, organizationally?
We don't know anything about the relationship/incident(s). An isolated incident or a relationship over time? Was it/were they during the season? The post-season? The offseason? Is it still going on? Is the other person still in the organization? How did Brad/ownership find out about this, through Ime, the other person, or someone else? What was Ime's response? Was he contrite or angry?

These answers all give insight into the nature of Ime's judgment patterns and that should give some insight into what should be done. A lawsuit should be a secondary consideration to deciding whether Ime should be the leader of young men and a prominent face of the franchise.
 

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CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.

Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
People who earn million-dollar salaries to lead enterprises get shitcanned the second that their presence becomes a distraction to that enterprise. I don’t think we’re there with Ime, but if the C’s suspend him for half the season or longer, we would be. That’s not a judgment on Ime’s character; surely there are men in that locker room (and in this thread) who’ve done far worse things. It’s just business, and doing what’s best for the team.

I’m confused by your question about second chances. We all think Ime would have another NBA job in short order if the C’s cut him loose over what’s been reported so far, right?
 

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Ime is the most high profile/important person in the organization that isn’t a player.

There isn’t ANYONE in the organization where a relationship wouldn’t involve a power dynamic that - originally pressed by Ime, wouldn’t create a potentially uncomfortable situation for the woman.

A “consensual” relationship just means (at this point), the woman didn’t outwardly reject his advances.

It’s a bad look.
This. It’s a VERY bad look


Also, if you’re willing to make excuses for Ime because “Championship window,” you’re kind of gross.
100% so.

And where the hell did the drug guesses come from?????


I am still hoping it’s because he mishandled Nesmith’s minutes last season, but I am beginning to have my doubts.
 

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There is a lot we don't know but, If the relationship was consensual and there were no reports of abuse/taking advantage of a power imbalance, or if he was told to knock it off but didn't, I think a suspension for a matter of the heart or other body parts is an over-reaction. Ime made a poor choice and this incident will always follow him around, which of itself is a form of punishment.

Fine the guy, make him take Sexual Harassment in the workplace 101 again, but a suspension for his presumably private affair seems too harsh.