I want to go to a match in Europe

WayBackVazquez

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I'm going to go to the Liverpool match against Swansea City at Anfield on December 29th. I would love to do the Kop, but it's a night game, and I'll be with my wife, so I want to minimize the chances of any trouble. I would appreciate any tips from those who've been to Anfield, specifically regarding where to sit, how to get there (especially for a night match in late December), and whether any of the hospitality packages are worth it. Thanks.
 

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I'm going to piggyback this thread, as there is great stuff here.

We'll be in London May 13-22, 2015, and we want to see a match. My research tells me only BPL matches are available during that time, those all on May 16.

Here are the fixtures for that date:

Burnley v Stoke
Liverpool v Crystal Palace
Man Utd v Arsenal
QPR v Newcastle
Southampton v Aston Villa
Sunderland v Leicester
Swansea v Man City
Tottenham v Hull
West Brom v Chelsea
West Ham v Everton

Realistically QPR and Tottenham are the only new we can easily do as a day trip, right? I mean I'd love to see Liverpool or Man U vs Arsenal, but it doesn't seem a) timing it is that wise and b) tickets would be impossible to get anyway.

Is QPR worth a visit? I know nothing about them. I do enjoy Newcastle Brown Ale though!
Also, there is a fair chance that by then there will also be matches in the evening on Tuesday 19th and/or Wednesday 20th that have been rearranged from earlier in the season due to Cup matches.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
I'm going to go to the Liverpool match against Swansea City at Anfield on December 29th. I would love to do the Kop, but it's a night game, and I'll be with my wife, so I want to minimize the chances of any trouble. I would appreciate any tips from those who've been to Anfield, specifically regarding where to sit, how to get there (especially for a night match in late December), and whether any of the hospitality packages are worth it. Thanks.
 
Hospitality is never worth it at football - the game isn't long enough.  Just buy regular tickets and save yourself lots of money.  It's much better to be in the atmosphere of the regular seats, among fans who go week after week, then stuck behind glass in a hospitality box.  You won't get any trouble at Anfield.  Great fans at Liverpool.  So don't worry about the wife - as long as you and her enjoy a bit of friendly banter, you'll have a great time.
 
I'm not that sure on ticket availability for Anfield - someone else here will know better, but they usually sell out and the Kop tends to be season ticket holders only I think.  Best to contact the club directly and discuss option with their box office.  Liverpool have a strong US following, so they'll be used to dealing with Yanks coming across and wanting to see a game.
 

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There's no trouble any more, unless you a group of guys looking for it, or sit in the home end in away jerseys and act like a douche. Otherwise you're fine, at least at any premiership ground.
I wouldn't be worried about that. I go to Arsenal vs Newcastle every year in the home end and cheer for Newcastle, well for the 5 minutes until the game is effectively over.
 
Hospitality don't do it. The experience of a Football game is the crowd. Enjoy it, it's nothing like a professional game in the US. Maybe college stuff
 

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Thanks. The hospitality packages available are not behind-the-glass type situations, they just include match tickets in one of the regular (mostly Anfield Road) sections, and a pre or postgame meal in one of the restaurants/rooms in the stadium or at a local pub or hotel. I think we'll skip that, though, as long as we're able to get tickets through other channels. We're both members, so will have access to the late sales through the club, and have also developed some relationships through the local supporters club that seem promising ticketwise. Plus, it's not Man U or Everton Liverpool are playing.

Good to hear about the safety, and thanks again for the advice.
 

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Bump! I'm going to Barcelona Halloween weekend and I'm planning to grab a ticket to the Barca match that Saturday. Anyone have any advice? Lower seats worth the extra money?
 
Also, it looks like I'll be in London the weekend of 11/22. Looks like Palace-Liverpool, Chelsea-West Brom, and Arsenal-ManUnited are the only matches going on there in the top flight. If anyone's got a line on tickets (as unlikely as this is) it would be greatly appreciated. I've got a friend who might be able to get tickets for Chelsea, but I'm not optimistic.
 
EDIT: Just reread some of the advice in here quickly, I am going to try to get tickets to a Championship match if these don't pan out, and I'll look into the supporters clubs. But considering there's 2 big time clubs visiting, I'm thinking it's gonna be tough. Still hoping to get to Germany too, re:Bundesliga
 

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Laser Show said:
Bump! I'm going to Barcelona Halloween weekend and I'm planning to grab a ticket to the Barca match that Saturday. Anyone have any advice? Lower seats worth the extra money?
 
Also, it looks like I'll be in London the weekend of 11/22. Looks like Palace-Liverpool, Chelsea-West Brom, and Arsenal-ManUnited are the only matches going on there in the top flight. If anyone's got a line on tickets (as unlikely as this is) it would be greatly appreciated. I've got a friend who might be able to get tickets for Chelsea, but I'm not optimistic.
 
EDIT: Just reread some of the advice in here quickly, I am going to try to get tickets to a Championship match if these don't pan out, and I'll look into the supporters clubs. But considering there's 2 big time clubs visiting, I'm thinking it's gonna be tough. Still hoping to get to Germany too, re:Bundesliga
 
I'm looking to go to the Chelsea vs West Brom match too. I got shutout on the members sale and there won't be any for the general sale. Any advice from Sosh? Think I can pick up tickets from a tout before the game? I went to a Champions League game there a few year ago and it wasn't an issue gettings tickets through the club.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
Thanks. The hospitality packages available are not behind-the-glass type situations, they just include match tickets in one of the regular (mostly Anfield Road) sections, and a pre or postgame meal in one of the restaurants/rooms in the stadium or at a local pub or hotel. I think we'll skip that, though, as long as we're able to get tickets through other channels. We're both members, so will have access to the late sales through the club, and have also developed some relationships through the local supporters club that seem promising ticketwise. Plus, it's not Man U or Everton Liverpool are playing.

Good to hear about the safety, and thanks again for the advice.
 
Success! I managed to score two tickets in the Kop (Section 208) last night during an online members sale, for just £37 each. Can't wait!
 

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Hosey and Housie said:
 
I'm looking to go to the Chelsea vs West Brom match too. I got shutout on the members sale and there won't be any for the general sale. Any advice from Sosh? Think I can pick up tickets from a tout before the game? I went to a Champions League game there a few year ago and it wasn't an issue gettings tickets through the club.
 
Check online first, but worst case you'll be able to pick some up at the game I'm sure. But I'd wager you're better off going through online and being able to see what you are buying etc.
 

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I picked up tickets for the England-Lithuania qualifier at Wembley in March last week. Bought through the England FA. Paid a decent amount (65 pounds) but got sweet seats, lower bowl at midfield about 30 rows up. Figured might as well go for it.
 

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I got to the Barcelona match against Celta during Halloween weekend. Great, great time. Incredible atmosphere and the size of the stadium was far more impressive than I expected. Glad I paid more for the lower bowl - ended up about 9 rows up from the corner and had some really great views of the numerous opportunities Barca flubbed. Still hoping to land a ticket for Chelsea - West Brom next weekend, but we'll see how that goes.
 

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Just put the finishing touches on a trip to London/ Europe in February for my fiancée and I. We'll be taking the train up to the East Midlands to catch a Derby County match. It'll be the first soccer match for both of us.
 

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Does anyone have any advice for tickets for the Ireland v. Germany qualifier in October?  The RoI FA website does not seem to have much in the way of guidance, and it looks like perhaps Ireland game tickets are simply sold as part of a season ticket package, so there may not be anything I can do, but if anyone has any thoughts about supporters' clubs that might get tickets, please let me know.
 
Also, has anyone figured out whether any of the online ticket touts are reliable -- I don't want to show up 4,000 miles from home without tickets in hand unless it's my only choice.
 

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I mean, if you´re in Europe for 1week+, i would also go to a lower league match, like 4th league or smth like that. It´s always fun, there are always good matches to be seen (either derbys between clubs that are located only 10km next to each other and hate each other, or top matches between two top5 teams or smth like that), you have easy access to beer and sausages and you can also get information about those matches/players without even needing tickets in advance (there should be forums for bigger teams or just information that says how you can go to the match fields in 5th/6th league clubs).
It´s not that they would play perfect football of course, but it´s still entertaining, especially if you understand the talking around you.
 

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Looks like we are there during an international break. Does the Championship or the lower divisions play during those? Anyway, we will be in Dublin, so would really like to figure out tickets for the Germany game if we can.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Looks like we are there during an international break. Does the Championship or the lower divisions play during those? Anyway, we will be in Dublin, so would really like to figure out tickets for the Germany game if we can.
In Germany, it´s the first 3 leagues (1-2 Bundesliga, 3.Liga) and in England, it´s the Premier League and Football League Championship (1st-2nd level) that don´t have any games. So there should be many fun games even at the time of the international break. So if you´re visiting different countries, every country/league system has his own rules, which leagues are off.
 

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Sounds good.  It's usually not until July or early August that the schedules tend to come out, though, right?  Maybe a little earlier this year to accommodate euro?
 

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Just wanted to add the Irish FA uses Ticketmaster so you might be able to signup for on sale alerts etc at some point in the near future. I went to the US vs Ireland game there in November (I got my tickets through US Soccer but noticed they were available via TM too). Stadium is on the outskirts of the city, there is public transport but we walked both ways- probably about 25 minutes from Trinity college area. Regarding ticket touts both outside the stadium and online for matches in Europe, I haven't heard good things. My soccer loving friends in Europe tell me to avoid them at all costs unless they have some link to the team. Some club teams will mention authorized resellers on their webpage.
 
Also I should add I went to a Euros Qualifer last October in Belgium and the tickets didn't go on sale until about 1 month prior to matchday. Not sure if thats's standard for Euros or just Belgium.
 

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Thanks for the tips.  Ireland plays England in a friendly next month, and so I've sort of been following how they handle those ticket sales as a guideline for what to expect for the Germany game.  It looks as though they take pretty significant efforts to wait fairly late in the process, and sell tickets through presales for those who have bought supporters tickets in the past, in order to try to ensure as best as possible that Irish fans get tickets and England fans do not, except their away allotment.  That may make it difficult for a guy like me to get two tickets, especially for a game against a big team like German.  I may end up with little option other than take a chance on ticket touts, although I guess I'll try the ticketmaster route first.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Thanks for the tips.  Ireland plays England in a friendly next month, and so I've sort of been following how they handle those ticket sales as a guideline for what to expect for the Germany game.  It looks as though they take pretty significant efforts to wait fairly late in the process, and sell tickets through presales for those who have bought supporters tickets in the past, in order to try to ensure as best as possible that Irish fans get tickets and England fans do not, except their away allotment.  That may make it difficult for a guy like me to get two tickets, especially for a game against a big team like German.  I may end up with little option other than take a chance on ticket touts, although I guess I'll try the ticketmaster route first.
I'm from Ireland. Actually going to the England game on Sunday. 
 
Ticketmaster is your best bet. We could effectively be out of it if we don't get a result against Scotland next Saturday which will make life even easier for you. Worth a go getting in contact with a supporters club either who would often send tickets back that they don't sell. They may help you out http://www.fai.ie/ireland/fan-republic/supporters-clubs
 
Once you keep your eyes peeled on Ticketmaster though i'd fancy your chances. 
 

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I'm from Ireland. Actually going to the England game on Sunday. 
 
Ticketmaster is your best bet. We could effectively be out of it if we don't get a result against Scotland next Saturday which will make life even easier for you. Worth a go getting in contact with a supporters club either who would often send tickets back that they don't sell. They may help you out http://www.fai.ie/ireland/fan-republic/supporters-clubs
 
Once you keep your eyes peeled on Ticketmaster though i'd fancy your chances.
Thanks Skip. Yeah, big game coming up for sure. I think they will get a result at home next week against Scotland.
 

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Thanks Skip. Yeah, big game coming up for sure. I think they will get a result at home next week against Scotland.
No worries. We've a brutal record against the good teams at home so I'm not the most hopeful but hope you're right!
 

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A wildcard: see a Real Oviedo match. The team almost disappeared in 2012, but fans around the world bought shares to save the team. Then, at the last minute, Carlos Slim put in the last million. It was an incredible story. Oviedo just earned a promotion to La Liga Adelante, the second division. The stadium is great and the fans are spectacular.
 
Watch these videos to see what I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea9DeVodWPw
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_OE-_9n1iM
 
In the second video, the goal was scored by Diego "Doc" Cervero, who was with the club through the many bad years. 
 

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I thought I'd write up a trip report on my recent visit to Selhurst Park. I also went to The Emirates and Hampden Park, but had much more to write about at Selhurst. I'm spoilering it due to length, but thought it might be of interest to some:
 
October 3, 2015
Crystal Palace – West Bromwich Albion
Selhurst Park
 
First off, and I knew this – Selhurst Park is not in central London. I had been once before, for my first ever Premier League game and had planned to take the train down to South London for that game. We overslept then and took a very expensive taxi ride back in 2013. I was bound not to do the same.
 
And yet here I was, 45 minutes before my scheduled tour trying to explain to the Uber driver where we were standing and ultimately giving up and jumping into a London black cab. I love Uber and think it’s great, but the London taxi drivers have another level of knowledge that was crucial to saving our oversleeping asses (again). 45 minutes, £45 and about 45,000 speed humps later (South London is full of these things), I ask the driver to stop outside of Selhurst Park, thinking we are right by the entrance to the tour. I stop a steward and learn that it’s on the opposite end of the stadium due to the strange numbering system. I tell my wife to get a move on – I don’t want to miss the tour.
 
It turns out we didn’t need to worry. We were ushered in and waited in a bar entrance to the stadium. Eventually a guide showed up to start the tour, though this one was for the “Junior Eagles” and their families. While waiting, we met a guy from LA who was back to Selhurst for a second time as well – picking the Eagles after his first tour of English football had him loving the atmosphere at Selhurst more than all others as well (which is how I ended up there too). There was a Japanese couple and the rest were English fans and their families—a group of 15-20 of us. Finally around 10:30, after warning us not to post any pictures on social media until after kickoff (so as not to inadvertently give team secrets away) the tour for the adults and international members began.
 
They brought us through Speroni’s Restaurant, where they were serving breakfast for friends of the team’s owners. It wasn’t too full at this hour. There was a selection of Palace Ale and wine available for sale (one of the owners owns a wine merchant, you can see their ads around the touch line if you watch on TV). Then we were taken through to the interview rooms that they use after the games. Not only is the corridor tiny, the rooms are postage stamp-sized as well – maybe 8’x8’. There were three or four of them ready for use.
 

 

 
We then went into the Palace dressing room. Again, surprisingly small compared to what I expected. I guess in some ways, Selhurst is a bit like the Fenway of English football. It’s a small, old stadium, inhabited by knowledgeable and die-hard fans, with very limited space to expand or even improve the stadium.
 
All of the players’ kits were hung up as they would be entering the dressing room in roughly 30 minutes. Some guys had better spots than others, many didn’t have much of a locker or place to put their street clothes. It seemed that the bigger name players were towards the inside, with lockers, while the second team was against the window with no lockers. A TV was tuned to the Palace pregame show and the trainers were ready to give last minute treatment to the players. They were pretty proud of their new showers, which the guide said were as good as at home, that is, if you had a communal shower at home that your co-workers used as well.
 
We then got to walk out of the tunnel. This is not a Stamford Bridge or Etihad tunnel. This is like walking down your grandma’s hallway tunnel. There is not room for two athletic men to stand shoulder to shoulder, much less have a mini-me mascot at his side. The players definitely do not run out of the tunnel at Selhurst. This would be a disaster if they tried.
 

 

 
We entered the field at the corner, and we were advised under pain of death to stay off the grass. Which was fine, because they had the sprinklers going about 15 seconds after we got onto field level. We then got to go pose for pictures in the dugout and sit in the race car seats that populate the sidelines at BPL matches.
 
The guide herded us up to the stands, just as Joe Ledley, Scott Dann and Fraizer Campbell entered the park. They stopped for a few quick photos with some kids and we moved on to the Palace trophy case.
 

 

 

 
Yes, I laughed too when I heard that was part of the tour. There actually are a few notable trophies in the case, including the one from the Championship playoff in 2013 that sent them back to the Premier League. We also had a look at the trophy commemorating Super Alan Pardew getting Palace into the FA Cup final and the one Cup that Palace actually won – the 1991 Zenith Data Systems Cup (the ZDS trophy aspires to League/Capital One Cup prominence). There was also a trophy commemorating the first game under lights at Selhurst Park versus (of all teams) Real Madrid. They had invited Manchester United, who wanted too much money, so Real Madrid became the replacement.
 

 

After this, our tour concluded and we exited the stadium. I wanted to pick up a new jacket, and my wife wanted to pick up a couple things as well. First, we headed for the Angus stand outside and got a Cumberland sausage sandwich. While eating, we realized that the team had set up a pathway for the players to walk through on their way from the parking lot to the dressing room. It was all very informal, and many of the players came by, casually chatting with fans, signing autographs and getting their pictures taken. Yohan Cabaye seemed more than happy to oblige my wife, while Pap Souare seemed less excited to have his picture taken with me, even after I busted out my one word of Wolof to thank him – maybe he didn’t hear me. But the approachability and lack of barriers between player and fan was really refreshing to see. You could tell some players liked it more than others, but it was definitely part of their jobs and they knew it.
 

 

 
The Crystals, Crystal Palace’s cheerleaders were also in attendance, happily taking pictures with the overwhelmingly male audience. There was a DJ outside playing dance tunes (which the Crystals happily danced to) while people ate and waited to go into the stadium.
 

 
We decided to go pick up our tickets, but first had to check out the yellow Ferrari that had just pulled up in the player parking lot. I’ve since found out that it belongs to principal owner Steve Parish, who bought it after Palace defeated Manchester United in the League Cup quarterfinals, while wearing yellow jerseys that day.
 

 
Our tickets were a bit of a pain to obtain, something that happened the first time we went. Selhurst Park is somewhat unique in that there is a working supermarket attached to the stadium. This creates some crowds, and there are several spots for will-call. After checking around in a few places, I found out our tickets were “print at home” tickets, which I did not realize or did not remember. The helpful ticket guy printed new tickets for us.
 
We still had plenty of time before kick-off, so tickets in hand, we headed over to the Clifton Arms for a pint before the game. As is common practice (as I’ve come to find out) we were required to show our tickets prior to going into the pub—presumably to keep out trouble, even though I was wearing some Palace gear. No big deal though. We found our way to the back of the pub where it was less crowded, got a beer and a cider and made our way out back where there were picnic tables set up to enjoy the nice day. We enjoyed our drinks and headed back for the game. On the way, I bought a Crystal Palace zine for £1.50 and recognized the voice of the guy selling it as one of the hosts of the Five Year Plan podcast. I thanked him for the zine and the pod and he seemed pretty happy to hear the trans-Atlantic support.
 

 
But once inside the stadium, I had to try one of the Premier League’s most expensive pies. This is kind of a running joke with my friend Mike, so I had to get one (and he’s a Chelsea fan, so that’s the only thing that’s cheaper at Stamford Bridge). I also grabbed a Palace Ale to wash it down. I asked for steak and ale, but got a chicken curry pie by mistake. It was really good, and I was happy for the mixup, but it was fucking HOT – like skin peeling off of the roof of my mouth hot. And the bottom fell out. But it was pretty tasty and worth £4 even if I was physically unable to eat the whole thing.
 
I do have to kind of take a minute and say for all of the complaining about ticket prices and concessions in England, it’s really not that bad to American eyes. Our seats were like $50 and a $6 pie would have cost at least $9 in the US. I get that there are differences in salaries and I really love that people from all walks of life go to games in England – and that teams and supporter groups try to keep prices accessible. I’m not knocking any of that. It’s just that to my foreign eyes, it seems pretty affordable already compared to what I’m used to.
 
We settled into our seats and watched Kayla the eagle fly around the stadium. The players came out cheered on by the Crystals at the opposite end. The team seem to have co-opted some of the cheesier features of American sports. I would cringe if the Red Sox had cheerleaders, but it seemed to work for a club that is working its way up the league hierarchy.
 
We were seated in the section directly across the corner from the Holmesdale Fanatics. Dressed in all black, these guys do not stop and are a huge reason why I love the atmosphere at Selhurst Park. They had the flags and stood and sang the entire game – from “Glad All Over” to the final whistle.
 

 
I knew that West Brom would play defensively and try and steal a win as they did the same thing last year when they came to Selhurst, despite being outplayed. Even at 0-0 at halftime, we just felt that the goals would eventually come.
 
A quick word about halftime. Since alcohol isn’t sold in the stands, everyone drinks heavily before the game. Then, as halftime approaches, everyone’s bladder is full to bursting and there’s a mad rush for the trough toilets. Once you actually tap a kidney, maybe you want to slug one more beer in the five minutes or so you have until kick off, but either way, you’ll need to make your way through at least 2000 smokers to get back to your seat. If I have the misfortune of every getting lung cancer, I’m pretty sure my walk from the men’s room to my seat at Selhurst Park is where it came from.
 
After the half, Palace really broke West Brom down. The first goal came off a set piece with Cabaye feeding Yannick Bolasie for his first goal at Selhurst in years. As some of you know, I have a bit of a man-crush on Bolasie, so I was pretty excited about that. Wilf Zaha just destroyed Chris Brunt all game (though my wife thought Brunt was cute) and finally earned a late penalty that made it 2-0. It was a big day for Cabaye with a goal and assist.
 

 
I really enjoyed a lot of the songs, many of which I actually knew from watching the games on TV. I always love hearing “We Love You” which comes after a goal, but probably my favorite song of the day was, “Oh Tony Pulis, What Have You Done?” as Palace completed their utter domination of West Brom. There were lots of other old favorites too. Some may have been old or tired to the old fans (“Can you hear the West Brom Sing, I don’t hear a fucking thing”), but as someone that grew up with “Let’s Go Red Sox!” and “Yankees Suck!” the variety and creativity in the songs was most welcome – and really makes the fan experience superior in my view.
 
After the game, we headed back towards the Clifton Arms rather fight the crowds on the train back to London. Walking out down Holmesdale Road after the game reminded me a little bit of walking down Landsdowne after a home game at Fenway. I have a bit of a t-shirt collection and am always on the lookout for new ones. I saw one on our walk back towards the Clifton Arms that I wish I had gotten a better picture of. It was a guy of a certain stature (in the blue shirt on the right side of the photo below), whose shirt said, “Why have abs when you can have kebabs?”
 

 
We got back to the Clifton Arms and enjoyed our spot out back again. I realized at this point just how much I loved the crowd here – something that was even more evident once I went to the Emirates the next day. The pubs in North London were filled with people that would not have looked out of place in a J. Crew ad. The crowd here was diverse like you don’t see at a lot of sporting events in the US. The neighborhood around the stadium is very much an immigrant neighborhood. I got the sense that a lot of Londoners turn their noses up at the area. It’s working class, it’s poor, it’s different. But it was vibrant and exciting in a way that made me picture what English soccer was like before the Premier League brought in billions of pounds. I loved the atmosphere in the area. And once inside, there were people with neck tattoos and chain smokers. There were people who were probably struggling financially that saved their money to bring their kids to a big game. People of all different colors and religions. My (short) row was two Americans, and Indian guy, a grandfather and his grandson and two twenty-something Palace fans. It was really a cool scene, and it was again evident after the game as some dads got their kids ice cream while they downed a couple last pints before heading home and a couple of what you would picture as prototypical soccer hooligans continued their celebration of the day. And down in the men’s room at the Clifton Arms was one of my favorite bits of sports graffiti – just eloquent and biting in its simplicity:
 

 
After this, we decided to head back to our hotel. We were able to take the train this time, though sadly had a bit of my “It’s A Small World” love session with South London was broken up a bit, as a man at the train station suggested I might like to give him some money since, you know,  he supports the KKK and not all of the dark people in the station. Um, no….that’s not going to work with me. That was the only black mark on an otherwise amazing day. I’m already looking forward to going back.
 

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Great read. Would definitely read a post on your next trip.

Also, I need to stock up on my J Crew clothing.
Well today is your lucky day J -- Just got back from Berlin and had a visit to Stadion An der Alten Försterei to see FC Union play TSV 1860 München. It's another long one, so click on the spoiler if you'd like to read on.


FC Union has a very interesting history, and it really appeals to me on a personal level. Though their history stretches back to 1906, it was organized in its current form in 1966. The team was the anti-Stasi team in East Berlin. As one writer put it in the history of the team, "Not every Union fan was an enemy of the state, but every enemy of the state was a Union fan." Their club song, “Eisern Union” was written by punk singer Nina Hagen.

Their stadium demonstrates the team’s dedicated fan base. Stadion An der Alten Försterei (Stadium at the old forester’s place) was in need of work and fans helped do the renovations. When the team was in financial trouble, their fans donated blood to raise money with the “Bleed for Union” campaign. And although the stadium has room for over 20,000 fans, there are only about 3,800 seats (more on this later).

Buying tickets on the club website was easy, and quite reasonably priced. We went for the most expensive standing tickets at €16 each.
The day of the match, my wife and I hopped on the train to go out to the game. The weather was cold and damp. The stadium is still in Berlin, but it’s a decent hike out of the central city. We spent probably 25 minutes on the train, with one connection from our hotel in Mitte. Once in Köpenick (the neighborhood where the stadium is) it’s about another 10-15 minute walk to reach the stadium.

The approach to the stadium is so Germany to me. The first half of it is on city streets, and you can stop for a sausage and a beer at a couple of bars along the way. The second half of the walk is literally through the woods on a semi-muddy path. After emerging from the trees, the stadium is revealed with another stop for sausage and beer available. These too are very well-priced, with a bratwurst on a roll for €2.50 and a beer for €3.50 (I think).
After getting a brunch of bratwurst outside, we headed in. I wanted to pick up a scarf and add to my growing collection of anthem jackets—especially since my wardrobe choice for the day happened to be their opponents colors, but not that there was any issue with that. I didn’t see any evidence of aggressive behavior, and supporters of the other team were talking politely with home fans.




We found the shop and waited in a less-than-efficient line to make my purchases. I don’t think I’ve ever been to one of these kind of club shops that actually moves quickly, and this one was no exception.

We headed up the stairs and stopped for a drink. My wife was freezing and wanted a gluhwein, while I went for a beer. While I counted out my Euros while waiting in line, I was surprised to be charged €2 more than what I calculated. I’m pretty confident in my simple arithmetic skills, and found out that the beer cups carried a deposit, as they were reusable. Good to know and sehr umweltfreundlich.

Fans enjoying pregame activities outside the stadium, below a helmet -- Eisern Union means Iron Union and one of its original incarnations the club was known as the "Schlosserjungs" (metalworker boys).

We went over to our section and I was disappointed to see how crowded it was. All of the standing areas were occupied. I was excited for the old-school standing experience, but now realized that it was not the best strategy for someone 5’6” wanting to watch the game with his mildly claustrophobic wife. We finally found a place at the back, but the view was partially obstructed by a support beam. It was not too bad though as I was only unable to see a small corner of the field.

After the typical announcements, there was a lot of singing. A few different songs, with most people singing along. Their anthem was quite lengthy. Everyone held their scarves in the air as they sang along. And there were a ton of flags, mostly in the home end. They also did player introductions and the game got underway.

The Munich side was pretty vocal at the start, singing their songs and waving their flags. They had erected their own long banner at the front of their section a well. I noticed a lot of fans jumping at the Munich end, and then noticed even more at the other end, pressed on by the two drummers in special places in the stands.


Their enjoyment of the game was cut quite short, as Felix Kroos (Toni’s younger brother) absolutely burned 1860’s defense. Munich is struggling to survive in the second Bundesliga, and man did it show there. 1-0 Union in the 6th minute.

Here’s the very modest scoreboard – it’s above the visitor’s end.

Union were playing a 3-4-1-2. I mostly watch the Premier League, and it’s pretty uncommon to see a team play three in the back. And in watching Munich play, they could have played two in the back. Union outshot the visitors 22-1 in the game.

I know too that I’m comparing apples to watermelons, but it’s amazing how fast the Premier League was compared to this. Union looked like they were a good, competent team. Munich was just not good at all. They missed passes, were often fooled defensively and rarely advanced into Union’s end. I’m not an expert in the sport by any means, but it looked to me like Bobby Wood, who is one of Union’s strikers, was the best player on the field.

Union had a few more chances, but the half ended 1-0. We headed for the toilet and for two more drinks, and then found that the place we had been standing at was occupied, with a couple of rows standing in the walkways behind the terraces. There were a ton of empty seats on the other side (despite the standing areas being overfull), and I kind of half considered walking out and buying a ticket to watch from there, because where we ended up finding to stand was fairly obstructed if you wanted to watch Union’s defensive end. Fortunately, there was very little to see there as Union was almost always on the attack, so we stayed put in our new section, except for when my wife walked away for a bit annoyed by the cigarette smoke in our area.



The second half was more of the same, Union attacking and 1860 desperately trying to stop them. The guy next to me went to grab himself and his friends another round of beers when Bobby Wood scored in the 80th minute, following a long pass that left Munich very exposed on the break. About this time, things were looking very grim for the Munich side, and they revealed a new banner that read, “Adios 2. Liga Tour”. It was really large, and I wondered about the psychology of putting together a really nicely made banner like this on the hope(?) that you would get to use it. A few minutes after the second goal, the same guy next to me left again for more drinks (they were putting the beers down) when Croatian Damir Kreilach scored the third goal of the day in the 88th minute. When he returned, I told the beer buyer to stay away for the rest of the game!

The game ended without any stoppage time, which I found a bit odd. I also was mildly surprised by the lack of players getting on the refs—is that a German thing or because they’re in the second league? That said, the crowd defintely let the ref hear it a few times during the game.
We kind of hustled out of there. I would have liked to stay for a few minutes longer, but my wife (who had been a very good sport) was freezing and there wasn’t a ton we could see anyway. As we walked out, I was impressed by how long the fans stayed to sing and celebrate the win. We were well into the woods when I didn’t hear them anymore, and I’m not sure if it was the distance or them stopping.

One last nice feature about the path through the forest. There are then many opportunities to avoid the toilet line and use a tree. Many male fans took advantage of the hundreds of wooden urinals.

On the train back, I chatted with a fan who was there with his wife and young son. He grew up in the west and started as a Hertha fan. He’s made the switch because Hertha was just too boring. Both people that I discussed soccer with said the same thing about the atmosphere at Hertha. He also thinks that Bobby Wood is destined for a team in the first league as Union won’t be able to afford to keep a player of his quality. But I was pleased to hear that he’s optimistic about the team’s future, commending trainer Sacha Lewandowski and noting that the team is becoming a bit more financially stable.
Munich, on the other hand, looks destined for relegation. It seems like they will have a hard time filling a stadium with a capacity of over 70,000 fans for a game versus the likes of the Wurzburger Kickers or VfR Aalen next season.

I actually intend to move to Berlin at some point in the not too distant future, so this game had a little extra meaning for me, checking out my future home team. I’m excited to see them (hopefully) improve and maybe make it to the big time. It won’t be this year, but there is not too much distance from where they are today in 12th with 27 points and 5th at 32 points. I will defintely be back to the Stadion An der Alten Försterei, though next time either going full bourgeois in seats, going without my wife and working down lower into the standing section, or standing with the ultras at the end, so I can at least see the whole field. For someone my height, the romance of standing tickets doesn’t quite outweigh not being able to see the whole game.

If you’re ever in Berlin, it’s a great time and a stadium and experience worth checking out.
 

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Can't believe I missed that Selhurst write up. We're going to Selhurst next month, and by the time we signed up for the international membership the gameday tour was already full -- definitely disappointed now that I see how much access you get. Excellent trip reports -- thanks for posting them.
 

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Love reading your writeups, jkempa. I recently moved to Frankfurt and I'm excited to go to some matches once the weather warms up a bit, and FC Union is now definitely on my list. Great stuff.
 

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@jkempa: great read!

If the game is out of reach, (like 2-0 or 3-0 between Union-1860) you won´t see additional time. The ref may give +1 minute if there were two goals. But it´s not like in the Premier League where every match usually gets +3 minutes, no matter if it´s decided or not.
I would always go to the seated area, if you go with family/wife and go to standing area if you with (male) friends and can live with an occasional bump, clap/shout-in-the-ear or beer over your jacket when goals are scored. Not that that happens each time, but you have to think of about 10-25% of people being absolutely drunk at some point in the game and when a goal is scored, they fall over each other. I would never want to be in there with my girlfriend, she would hate it, too, we would see worse (she is 5´8, I´m 5´11) and you have to come earlier to get a better view.
Seats probably cost twice the sum (good ones), but to me, it´s totally worth it. But you have to live with much worse atmosphere. Standing shoulder to shoulder and everybody clapping and singing is something else than everybody seated, a third may be empty, half the people singing hesitantly and clapping from time-to-time, although i don´t care about others around me (staring at me :) ).
 

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To add, I'm glad that I didn't share my going to the Emirates stories from December/January because they're very boring and generic, especially compared to @jkempa's story. I would add, however, that if you're getting tickets second hand, do not exchange money online before you have the physical ticket in your hands. My friend was burned by that. I got all of my tickets from season ticket holders. There seem to be a lot of scammers online and on the Twittersphere. If something doesn't feel right, then it probably isn't right. If you do it in person, the worst thing that happens is that the person no shows and you don't have a ticket. Stick to friends' connections, at least that was my experience with Arsenal.

Also, don't go to the team shop after games. It is a mad house.
 

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Thanks for the kind words again guys. I'm still pretty new to the sport and learning a lot, so I'm trying to gather new information the whole time I'm at a game in a way that I probably wouldn't if I'd been around it as much as some of you all. Depending on when I end up going to Berlin on a permanent basis (which could be anywhere from 1 to 6 years from now), I'll be hopefully be doing a lot more. But until then, I'll just have to enjoy an odd game here and there.

@DennyDoyle'sBoil - let me know if I can give you any help on your trip to Selhurst. It's still my first love in the sport and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. You might want to give a call to the box office before you go to see if they can squeeze you in on a tour. They are really helpful there and it's an informal tour. I could see them squeezing in a couple more of you, depending on whether it's a super-popular game or not.

@Dollar and @Schnerres when I finally do make it over to Berlin we'll have to try and see a game together.
 

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I'll be in Amsterdam in May and got a ticket package to an Ajax match. Anyone ever seen them play? Any advice for stuff to do around the stadium?
 

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@DennyDoyle'sBoil[/USER] - let me know if I can give you any help on your trip to Selhurst. It's still my first love in the sport and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. You might want to give a call to the box office before you go to see if they can squeeze you in on a tour. They are really helpful there and it's an informal tour. I could see them squeezing in a couple more of you, depending on whether it's a super-popular game or not.
Thanks -- yes, I'll definitely touch base and see if they can add us. It's the Liverpool game, and it's on a Sunday, so it's likely to be difficult to add us, but I"ll see. Thanks for the offer for advice -- I'll be with DDB Jr., so I'm not sure a pub will be in order before the game, but I was just planning to soak up the atmosphere and see the stadium. If you can think of anything near the stadium I should try to take a teenager to see, I'd be interested for sure. I'm definitely in for the hot chicken pie -- it's almost never too hot for me.

I'll be in Amsterdam in May and got a ticket package to an Ajax match. Anyone ever seen them play? Any advice for stuff to do around the stadium?
We were there to see the national team play in October. There isn't much to do right around the stadium. There's an outdoor mall of sorts, with some restaurants and stuff, but it's pretty remote and far from the action in Amsterdam. We stayed at the Hampton Inn that's practically adjacent to the stadium. It was definitely convenient, and the game was at night, so it was nice to be able to just walk back and be able to go to sleep right away. But public transportation is really good, and there is a train station right near the arena, so if I had it to do over again, I would have stayed more centrally in downtown Amsterdam and taken the train to and from the game. There wasn't really a proper pub type place near the arena that I could find -- I got some advice above that most people drink in the city and the take the train. The closest thing was a bar/restaurant that's actually adjacent to the Hampton Inn called Brasserie Hoekenrode. They had some interesting beers and ok food, but it wasn't exactly the type of European pre-game experience that you'd get in a neighborhood bar near a stadium. We were moving around Europe a lot during that trip so only had one day in Amsterdam, so I didn't get to do any of the bigger sites like the Anne Frank House. We were planning to go to the Rijksmuseum before the game, but we ended up just doing a walking tour of the City and a one-hour canal cruise. The canal cruise was actually quite memorable. I used the Rick Steves pocket guide, which had a couple of cool self-guided walking tours, but I also had the advantage of being there with a teenager, so once he got a picture of the window of one of the dildo shops in the red light zone to snapchat with his fiends, he was content to do whatever I wanted to do.
 

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Thanks -- yes, I'll definitely touch base and see if they can add us. It's the Liverpool game, and it's on a Sunday, so it's likely to be difficult to add us, but I"ll see. Thanks for the offer for advice -- I'll be with DDB Jr., so I'm not sure a pub will be in order before the game, but I was just planning to soak up the atmosphere and see the stadium. If you can think of anything near the stadium I should try to take a teenager to see, I'd be interested for sure. I'm definitely in for the hot chicken pie -- it's almost never too hot for me.
There isn't much to see or do around the stadium. It's a pretty residential area. But try and get over to the players' entrance before the game and maybe you'll see some of the Palace players arriving at the stadium. They're pretty happy to take pictures and sign autographs. They play music there and sell burgers and stuff outside where the come in, and the Crystals should be there too.

You can also take him into the pubs there - or at least you could the Clifton Arms. They had a seating area out back that parents brought even younger kids to. Judging by your Amsterdam story, he'd probably score some cool snapchat points for sitting in a pub too.
 

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There isn't much to see or do around the stadium. It's a pretty residential area. But try and get over to the players' entrance before the game and maybe you'll see some of the Palace players arriving at the stadium. They're pretty happy to take pictures and sign autographs. They play music there and sell burgers and stuff outside where the come in, and the Crystals should be there too.

You can also take him into the pubs there - or at least you could the Clifton Arms. They had a seating area out back that parents brought even younger kids to. Judging by your Amsterdam story, he'd probably score some cool snapchat points for sitting in a pub too.
Thanks jk. It sounds like the tour is unlikely. Thoughts about how long before the game we should try to hang out near the player's entrance?
 

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Thanks jk. It sounds like the tour is unlikely. Thoughts about how long before the game we should try to hang out near the player's entrance?
I'm trying to remember. Our game was 12:30 game, and the tour ended around 11:00 or so. We saw the later arrivals, so I'd say two hours beforehand maybe? We had time to go for a beer after they all came in and make it inside and have a pie before kickoff.
 

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Hi all. I thought I'd post a little bit about a recent trip to see Toulouse FC. It won't be up to the standards of jkempa's work (no pictures :(), but what the hey.
I'm here with my family, staying in a lovely, little town in southwest France called St. Antonin-Noble-Val for the month of April. We will be travelling here until June, and my first thought was to get Euro tickets, but the price has been a bit steep, so I've held off until we know our plans better. Once we got situated, I figured out Toulouse was the closest place to see a game, and learned that they are stuck in a relegation battle, in 19th place. Knowing that PSG has already won the title, that's about all that's left to play for. I went on TFC's site (French only), and was amazed that we could get tickets 10-15 rows up at center for 40 euros for the lot of us (2 adults, 2 kids). There was no charge to join the club either. And to top it off, TFC wear smashing purple kits! So we got tickets to last weekend's game against Bastia, a Corsican side in mid-table.
We poked around Toulouse for the day. It's known as the Rose City, for the pigment of the soil used in their bricks. There's a beautiful 900 year old basilica we checked out, and walked along the Canal du Midi. We had been able to park for free about 15 minutes from the stadium, and took the metro to get into and out of town. The stadium has been there for about 80 years, but underwent significant modernization for the World Cup in 1998, and is quite simple and nice. I think it holds almost 40,000 when full, but with one of the end sections closed off, and what I could only gauge as 60 travelling supporters, there were less than 20,000 there.
Our seats were excellent, and I popped down to get a beer and some frites before the game. Shockingly, the cost of beer and food in the stadium is more or less the same as what you pay outside. What's up with that? Maybe they need an American business manager.
The first half brought few real chances, and ended 0-0. The crowd made some noise early on, but by halftime it was fairly quiet and a little tense. I went down with my son to get a few more beverages, and the lines were a bit long. My son offered to wait in line while I went in search of a bathroom. I turned around to note several males with their backs turned, at the edge of the fenced perimeter, urinating on the grass and pavement beyond. Oh right, this is France. As a citizen of the world, I felt obliged to follow suit, and quickly rejoined my son in line. Alas, their beer and soda service wasn't quite as expedient, so the second half had already started as we got back to our seats.
The breakthrough came at about 57 minutes, when a Toulouse midfielder slipped a nifty pass through to put a teammate in on goal, and he made no mistake. The relief was palpable, and the crowd came to life. "Tou-lou-say, Tou-lou-say!" came the chants, and within two minutes, a second goal came, and the game was over as a contest. Bastia seemed to agree, as behind the play, one of their players took a cheap shot at someone from Toulouse. The ref and linesmen appeared to miss it, and the players were incensed. A brawl nearly ensued, and as the officials separated the players, they must have figured out what occured, and Bastia had a man sent off. From there, it was just a matter of how many TFC would add on, though Bastia did hit the crossbar once. Toulouse added two more, to end up 4-0 winners, and the crowd was sent home happy. Based on their league position, I can only guess this was their best night of the season. Most importantly, my wife and two boys were also happy with the experience, and we got home safely before midnight.
TFC was still 4 points from safety at the end of the night, but I see after last night's road draw at L'orient, that they've picked up another point. I am now a follower.
So, if you're ever in this part of the world, I'd recommend catching a game. I'm not suggesting that Ligue 1 is up to the standard of the bigger European leagues, but the price is right, and good fun was had by us, anyway.
We're heading into Spain next month, and I hope we might catch a Real Sociedad or Eibar game. And I've put up the cash to see Portugal-Iceland in the Euros in June, so there's more ahead for my gang.
Au revoir.
 

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Well here's round two of our European soccer fiesta. After a month in France, we crossed the border into northern Spain, to San Sebastian. This being my first time in Spain, I was enchanted by the wide variety of tapas and excellent draft beer in the many bars in the old town. I had looked forward to catching some games there, as I'd heard Spain has a good family-oriented bar and food scene for such things. Alas, in week 37, all the games were scheduled simultaneously. We tried to catch some of the Sunderland-Chelsea game on Saturday, but it was hard to find a bar showing the game with ample room. The tour d'Italia was a preferred view in most establishments.
The next day I was able to buy 4 tickets at the Anoeta for a reasonable 80€, to see Real Sociedad play Rayo Vallecano of Madrid. I've always had a bit of a man-crush on Sociedad, since the days when Xabi Alonso played there. I knew the stadium was a bit of a dump, with the classic track around the pitch, but our seats in the corner weren't too bad. There are plans afoot to remove the track, perhaps as soon as next season.
Prior to the game, we saw a small parade of Vallecano fans marching down the Boulevard, and finding pre-game sustenance. We too ate a good amount, but I wished I'd had that one beer extra when I learned on entry there would be no alcohol served in the stadium for the duration. I'm not sure what the protocols are normally, but I don't think this was typical of other games. The stadium was a bit more than half full, with Real fans spread throughout. Rayo had fans centered in 3 different sections, and it was they who were in fine voice throughout. I imagine more might have been heard from the home fans in a derby, or with more on the line. Real was comfortably mid-table, while Rayo were in 17th place, above relegation on goal difference alone.
The game started, and I noticed that, though there were two big scoreboards at either end of the pitch, all they showed was the score of the game, with no mention anywhere of the time of the game, nor the time of day even. I never even saw the 4th official raise his board regarding extra time, so we were completely in the dark as to when the game would stop. Naturally, there were no replays, nor out of town scores either.
As far as the game, Rayo started out with more intent, but around the 10th minute were behind. Real had a corner that bounced out to a player outside the box on the wing. Somehow his volley managed to beat the keeper at the near post, and it was 1-0. A bit later, a bad giveaway let Carlos Vela in alone. He rounded the keeper, but inexplicably took his time before shooting. The backtracking fullback slid in, and Vela fell over, asking for a penalty, but the referee rightly waved it off. Not surprisingly, Vela was substituted at half. Real's keeper had a fine half, keeping out two point-blank efforts from the visitors.
Early in the second half, Real put together a lovely move down the left wing, with a cut back finding a trailing midfielder, who placed his shot perfectly in the corner. 2-0. They controlled the game thereafter, but it didn't seem to slow down the spirit of the travelling fans, who continued to make most of the noise. With about 15 minutes left, Rayo got one back, with a suberb strike into the top corner from about 25 yards. Soon after, a Real player went for a 50/50 ball with his boot raised, and cleated a Rayo player on the thigh. A somewhat harsh straight red was given. Though Rayo pressed for an equalizer thereafter, even bringing the keeper up for a few late corners, Sociedad looked composed and saw the game out, 2-1.
All in all, a good day out. The stadium leaves something to be desired, but I think that will be remedied in the near future. And San Sebastian is worth a trip in any case.